Anonymous
Post 04/26/2012 16:09     Subject: TJ admission statistics from 2012
Anonymous wrote:Ok.. as a Korean American I am embarrassed by all these posts on IQ. There are smart people of all races and just from experience I don't think Koreans have higher IQ's. Growing up I actually thought all my South Asian friends (Indian .. Pakistani) were smarter. They all became doctors.. I, on the other hand, was not accepted into any medical schools and went on to law school.


That was probably smart.
Anonymous
Post 04/26/2012 15:34     Subject: TJ admission statistics from 2012
I like that...argue the people from north Korea have the same iq as south Korea by citing a study....which had no data for the north, so, used the data from the south. Whoever wrote that post clearly is not Korean and must be from Africa
Anonymous
Post 04/26/2012 15:26     Subject: Re:TJ admission statistics from 2012
What grade?
3 hours of study and 2 hours of Ice Hockey/Tae Kwon Do each day sounds little too mcuh.
The kids may get burned out eventually, but you know better about your kid.

Self-motivation & self-discipline is very important, too.
When they are in college, you won't be there to turn off the TV for them.
I'm sure you already know it all, and again you know your kid the best.
Good luck.


Poster does not need your luck. Kids will be fine.
As a poster once said: High IQ + focused hard work = big butt kicking

You need to listen to your lacrosse coaches and "preppers". They understand this fundamental principle.

Anonymous
Post 04/26/2012 15:01     Subject: TJ admission statistics from 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The source you supply is not reputable. Furthermore, it is easy to sway such studies. For example, if country A is the average IQ of all people, and country B is the average of all people in HS (but only those in HS passed the admittance test), then B will have a higher IQ because it is based on a pre-selected sample set.

I have no doubt that there are smart Koreans.


The actual source is "IQ and Global Inequality is a 2006 book by psychologist Richard Lynn and political scientist Tatu Vanhanen.[1] IQ and Global Inequality is follow-up to their 2002 book IQ and the Wealth of Nations,[2]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality#cite_note-IQGI-0


Yes, and here is a link to Lynn's actual data table -- http://www.rlynn.co.uk/pages/article_intelligence/t4.asp -- which indicates he has no data on North Korean IQs, but instead just averaged the estimated IQs for South Korea and Japan. He seems to do that averaging trick for over 100 of the 185 countries listed. Perhaps not the most scientifically robust approach, huh? I guess it works well if your goal is to argue that certain regions/races are superior to others.
Anonymous
Post 04/26/2012 14:56     Subject: TJ admission statistics from 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And yes North Koran average IQ is as high as South Korea.

Proof please.


Here's a source - http://www.eutimes.net/2009/11/iq-by-country/


Who wrote the article? Does not seem to be credible. The text of the article:

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According to these studies it is very clear that human races differ not only in physical aspect but in intelligence also. It is also clear that IQ is something attributed to people by their genes and it can not be altered through culture or education. Asians and white Caucasians are the smartest human races on earth. From the following chart it is also very clear that IQ has decreased in Europe from 2002 to 2006 together with non-white immigrants into Europe, particularly Arabs and Africans.

IQ isn’t something you learn in school. You are born with it, you die with it. You can’t become Einstein or Tesla by studying. Culture and education are irrelevant to IQ. Geniuses are born geniuses, they don’t become geniuses by reading books, going to school, etc. In response to the egalitarians, there is no one stopping Africans from building schools in their own nations, nor is it the duty of the white people to build schools for them. No one ever gave anything to Europeans for free. So why Africans should ever receive something from Europeans?
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Again the site simply referenced a book - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality#cite_note-IQGI-0

Book by psychologist Richard Lynn, British Professor Emeritus of Psychology at the University of Ulster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lynn

and

political scientist Tatu Vanhanen, Professor Emeritus of Political Science at the University of Tampere in Tampere, Finland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatu_Vanhanen

Anonymous
Post 04/26/2012 14:52     Subject: TJ admission statistics from 2012
Anonymous wrote:Ok.. as a Korean American I am embarrassed by all these posts on IQ. There are smart people of all races and just from experience I don't think Koreans have higher IQ's. Growing up I actually thought all my South Asian friends (Indian .. Pakistani) were smarter. They all became doctors.. I, on the other hand, was not accepted into any medical schools and went on to law school.


No doubt there are smart Indians, Africans, Hispanics etc...

Talking about 'average' IQ
Anonymous
Post 04/26/2012 14:48     Subject: TJ admission statistics from 2012
Ok.. as a Korean American I am embarrassed by all these posts on IQ. There are smart people of all races and just from experience I don't think Koreans have higher IQ's. Growing up I actually thought all my South Asian friends (Indian .. Pakistani) were smarter. They all became doctors.. I, on the other hand, was not accepted into any medical schools and went on to law school.
Anonymous
Post 04/26/2012 14:46     Subject: TJ admission statistics from 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And yes North Koran average IQ is as high as South Korea.

Proof please.


Here's a source - http://www.eutimes.net/2009/11/iq-by-country/


Who wrote the article? Does not seem to be credible. The text of the article:

====
According to these studies it is very clear that human races differ not only in physical aspect but in intelligence also. It is also clear that IQ is something attributed to people by their genes and it can not be altered through culture or education. Asians and white Caucasians are the smartest human races on earth. From the following chart it is also very clear that IQ has decreased in Europe from 2002 to 2006 together with non-white immigrants into Europe, particularly Arabs and Africans.

IQ isn’t something you learn in school. You are born with it, you die with it. You can’t become Einstein or Tesla by studying. Culture and education are irrelevant to IQ. Geniuses are born geniuses, they don’t become geniuses by reading books, going to school, etc. In response to the egalitarians, there is no one stopping Africans from building schools in their own nations, nor is it the duty of the white people to build schools for them. No one ever gave anything to Europeans for free. So why Africans should ever receive something from Europeans?
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Anonymous
Post 04/26/2012 14:45     Subject: TJ admission statistics from 2012
Anonymous wrote:The source you supply is not reputable. Furthermore, it is easy to sway such studies. For example, if country A is the average IQ of all people, and country B is the average of all people in HS (but only those in HS passed the admittance test), then B will have a higher IQ because it is based on a pre-selected sample set.

I have no doubt that there are smart Koreans.


The actual source is "IQ and Global Inequality is a 2006 book by psychologist Richard Lynn and political scientist Tatu Vanhanen.[1] IQ and Global Inequality is follow-up to their 2002 book IQ and the Wealth of Nations,[2]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality#cite_note-IQGI-0
Anonymous
Post 04/26/2012 14:43     Subject: TJ admission statistics from 2012
The source you supply is not reputable. Furthermore, it is easy to sway such studies. For example, if country A is the average IQ of all people, and country B is the average of all people in HS (but only those in HS passed the admittance test), then B will have a higher IQ because it is based on a pre-selected sample set.

I have no doubt that there are smart Koreans.
Anonymous
Post 04/26/2012 14:37     Subject: TJ admission statistics from 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And yes North Koran average IQ is as high as South Korea.

Proof please.


Here's a source - http://www.eutimes.net/2009/11/iq-by-country/
Anonymous
Post 04/26/2012 14:16     Subject: TJ admission statistics from 2012
Anonymous wrote:And yes North Koran average IQ is as high as South Korea.

Proof please.
Anonymous
Post 04/26/2012 13:46     Subject: TJ admission statistics from 2012
Anonymous wrote:I simply do not except that Koreans are fundamentally smarter than other ethnic groups. I do not doubt that, based on SOUTH KOREA's emphasis on IQ testing, the South Koreans probably do better on the IQ tests, because they prep for it, but it does not make them genetically smarter (or practically smarter), just the measure looks smarter.

There is a great control group, if you had access to them: Ethnically, North Koreans are identical to South Koreans.


IQ test itself is controversial in a way, but NO, Koreans are careless about IQ tests because it's never used anywhere.
In US it's used here and there (entrance to AAP, or other GT programs).
In Korea, IQ score is never used anywhere, it's all academic tests.
Absolutely no prep even available for that, and people are careless.
And yes North Koran average IQ is as high as South Korea.
Just some facts.



Anonymous
Post 04/26/2012 13:32     Subject: TJ admission statistics from 2012
What I'm finding amazing is the willingness to reach incredibly racist conclusions when arguing for genetic superiority of Asians.

Not to trigger "Godwin's Law" or anything, but isn't that exactly the same sort of argument that was made in connection with 1930s eugenics?
Anonymous
Post 04/26/2012 13:20     Subject: TJ admission statistics from 2012
I simply do not except that Koreans are fundamentally smarter than other ethnic groups. I do not doubt that, based on SOUTH KOREA's emphasis on IQ testing, the South Koreans probably do better on the IQ tests, because they prep for it, but it does not make them genetically smarter (or practically smarter), just the measure looks smarter.

There is a great control group, if you had access to them: Ethnically, North Koreans are identical to South Koreans.