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Anonymous wrote:Hi all, my DD is a sophmore in HS so we're just starting to truly think about this college application process (but no, we are not only now starting to think about having a well-rounded kid with a variety of interests, that's been her whole life).

But I'm new to reading this sub, and I see lots of people talk about T10 and T5. Are these the top 10 schools according to US News & World Report? Or where is the "official" list of T10 colleges and universities for undergrad?

Any school that has any form of ED is NOT a T5 school.
Any school that has ED2 practice is NOT a T10 school.

OP, remember these rules, then you won't be fooled by all those non-sensical rankings.

I don't know about ED but I would agree any schools with ED2 is out of the running for top10.

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Anonymous wrote:So much hate for the Chicago schools. What did they ever do to you? 😆

Chicago and Northeastern have a lot in common, no transparency.

Northwestern, we got no problems with.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi all, my DD is a sophmore in HS so we're just starting to truly think about this college application process (but no, we are not only now starting to think about having a well-rounded kid with a variety of interests, that's been her whole life).

But I'm new to reading this sub, and I see lots of people talk about T10 and T5. Are these the top 10 schools according to US News & World Report? Or where is the "official" list of T10 colleges and universities for undergrad?

Any school that has any form of ED is NOT a T5 school.
Any school that has ED2 practice is NOT a T10 school.

OP, remember these rules, then you won't be fooled by all those non-sensical rankings.

I don't know about ED but I would agree any schools with ED2 is out of the running for top10.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi all, my DD is a sophmore in HS so we're just starting to truly think about this college application process (but no, we are not only now starting to think about having a well-rounded kid with a variety of interests, that's been her whole life).

But I'm new to reading this sub, and I see lots of people talk about T10 and T5. Are these the top 10 schools according to US News & World Report? Or where is the "official" list of T10 colleges and universities for undergrad?

Any school that has any form of ED is NOT a T5 school.
Any school that has ED2 practice is NOT a T10 school.

OP, remember these rules, then you won't be fooled by all those non-sensical rankings.

Anonymous wrote:This is a wild and whacky thread. All of these schools are a privilege to go to. Your child has limitless opportunities if they are lucky enough to attend. The resources are unparalleled, the relationships with student and faculty are unmatched anywhere else in the world. Whether Dartmouth, or Columbia, or Brown, or Harvard. They are all slightly different flavors, but are all ridiculously important institutions.

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Anonymous wrote:HYPSM
Caltech
Columbia
Penn
Chicago
Duke / Northwestern

Wrong. Northwestern is not part of this group. Look at what the Ivy League considers its peers.

Northwestern is not a peer of the lower ivies. It is consistently ranked ABOVE Brown, Dartmouth and Cornell, so on that point you are correct.

NU is T10 and has been for some time.

I like Northwestern but it's not top 10 in the general sense.

Here are 10 schools that are generally more prestigious

1-5 HYPSM
6 CalTech
7 Columbia
8 Penn
9 Chicago
10 Duke

You have your own bias. No one I know hold Columbia in the highest regard anymore.

NP
I see the same in our non-DMV east coast feeder private. Columbia is not as desirable as Penn and Duke, which seem to be the two schools kids now want most after HYPMS, followed by Williams, Brown and Dartmouth. Not a lot of kids want Caltech but it’s held in high regards and seen as too hard for most kids.

Our school sends at least 20% to Ivies a year (not counting Ivy plus) including at least 7-8 kids to HYP (out of 100) and another 30% to the Ivy+ and WASP, latest trend parents are noticing (CC even commented some of this):
- fewer kids want JHU, seen as the new where fun goes to die
- a lot more kids want Duke than 5-10 years ago
- Brown is seen as most unpredictable among Ivies or top schools we historically “feed” to for over 100 years
- more kids now want Cornell than before. It used to be looked down upon (I know this will evoke eye rolls) by top kids and the wealthiest families but it is now seen as more well-rounded and less grindy as before
- not one single kid EDed to Chicago in the most recent cycle. Families are getting turned off by their ED or bust approach. Also kids are unclear if it is a strong humanities school or a strong STEM school, or neither. It is now only known for economics but I heard some recent alums from our school are choosing it for law school after going to HYPMS Penn Duke Dartmouth for undergrad.
- no non-athlete use their ED on WASP, it’s seen as a risky bet. A decent amount of kids get in RD from our school so if you really want WASP, you try your luck at HYPMS EA so you don’t waste your early choice but it’s not binding
- all the yield protection schools have in last 2 cycles made college app less stressful for a lot of kids, which is a reversal of the trend of hypercompetitiveness and hyper anxiety. Schools like WashU, Emory and Vanderbilt now very reliably take 3.6 GPA kids if you ED. If you ED schools like Middlebury, Hamilton, Tufts, Vassar with a 3.4, you will get in. This has made things more relaxing and at a school like ours that used to be HYP or busy, families have recently become more open to T20-40 schools. The only exception is Rice, they need high SAT plus around 3.8 GPA, but if you apply with that ED, your chance of acceptance is literally 100% for kids from our school in the last 5-6 years.

Where I come from, after HYPSM, it's really just Wharton and maybe Columbia. Schools like Dartmouth and Williams have fallen out of favor generally.

If kids aren't applying to Dartmouth it's because it's impossible to get into. They are the most popular Ivy from the 2 Ivy feeders my kids attend.
This year something like 12 kids ED'd to Dartmouth from one.

Dartmouth has the 3rd highest yield of the Ivies (higher yield than Yale, Penn, Columbia, Cornell and Brown) and did not go to the waitlist at all last year or this year.
Only Harvard, Princeton, MIT and Stanford yield higher than Dartmouth.

Is Darmouth though known to be more athlete heavy? We just recently visited and seems like such a great school but I probably would discourage my kid from applying early at least. Also that fraternity incident a few years ago. Not that it doesn't happen at other schools

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Anonymous wrote:HYPSM
Caltech
Columbia
Penn
Chicago
Duke / Northwestern

Wrong. Northwestern is not part of this group. Look at what the Ivy League considers its peers.

Northwestern is not a peer of the lower ivies. It is consistently ranked ABOVE Brown, Dartmouth and Cornell, so on that point you are correct.

NU is T10 and has been for some time.

I like Northwestern but it's not top 10 in the general sense.

Here are 10 schools that are generally more prestigious

1-5 HYPSM
6 CalTech
7 Columbia
8 Penn
9 Chicago
10 Duke

You have your own bias. No one I know hold Columbia in the highest regard anymore.

NP
I see the same in our non-DMV east coast feeder private. Columbia is not as desirable as Penn and Duke, which seem to be the two schools kids now want most after HYPMS, followed by Williams, Brown and Dartmouth. Not a lot of kids want Caltech but it’s held in high regards and seen as too hard for most kids.

Our school sends at least 20% to Ivies a year (not counting Ivy plus) including at least 7-8 kids to HYP (out of 100) and another 30% to the Ivy+ and WASP, latest trend parents are noticing (CC even commented some of this):
- fewer kids want JHU, seen as the new where fun goes to die
- a lot more kids want Duke than 5-10 years ago
- Brown is seen as most unpredictable among Ivies or top schools we historically “feed” to for over 100 years
- more kids now want Cornell than before. It used to be looked down upon (I know this will evoke eye rolls) by top kids and the wealthiest families but it is now seen as more well-rounded and less grindy as before
- not one single kid EDed to Chicago in the most recent cycle. Families are getting turned off by their ED or bust approach. Also kids are unclear if it is a strong humanities school or a strong STEM school, or neither. It is now only known for economics but I heard some recent alums from our school are choosing it for law school after going to HYPMS Penn Duke Dartmouth for undergrad.
- no non-athlete use their ED on WASP, it’s seen as a risky bet. A decent amount of kids get in RD from our school so if you really want WASP, you try your luck at HYPMS EA so you don’t waste your early choice but it’s not binding
- all the yield protection schools have in last 2 cycles made college app less stressful for a lot of kids, which is a reversal of the trend of hypercompetitiveness and hyper anxiety. Schools like WashU, Emory and Vanderbilt now very reliably take 3.6 GPA kids if you ED. If you ED schools like Middlebury, Hamilton, Tufts, Vassar with a 3.4, you will get in. This has made things more relaxing and at a school like ours that used to be HYP or busy, families have recently become more open to T20-40 schools. The only exception is Rice, they need high SAT plus around 3.8 GPA, but if you apply with that ED, your chance of acceptance is literally 100% for kids from our school in the last 5-6 years.

Where I come from, after HYPSM, it's really just Wharton and maybe Columbia. Schools like Dartmouth and Williams have fallen out of favor generally.

If kids aren't applying to Dartmouth it's because it's impossible to get into. They are the most popular Ivy from the 2 Ivy feeders my kids attend.
This year something like 12 kids ED'd to Dartmouth from one.

Dartmouth has the 3rd highest yield of the Ivies (higher yield than Yale, Penn, Columbia, Cornell and Brown) and did not go to the waitlist at all last year or this year.
Only Harvard, Princeton, MIT and Stanford yield higher than Dartmouth.

Is Darmouth though known to be more athlete heavy? We just recently visited and seems like such a great school but I probably would discourage my kid from applying early at least. Also that fraternity incident a few years ago. Not that it doesn't happen at other schools

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Anonymous wrote:HYPSM
Caltech
Columbia
Penn
Chicago
Duke / Northwestern

Wrong. Northwestern is not part of this group. Look at what the Ivy League considers its peers.

Northwestern is not a peer of the lower ivies. It is consistently ranked ABOVE Brown, Dartmouth and Cornell, so on that point you are correct.

NU is T10 and has been for some time.

I like Northwestern but it's not top 10 in the general sense.

Here are 10 schools that are generally more prestigious

1-5 HYPSM
6 CalTech
7 Columbia
8 Penn
9 Chicago
10 Duke

You have your own bias. No one I know hold Columbia in the highest regard anymore.

NP
I see the same in our non-DMV east coast feeder private. Columbia is not as desirable as Penn and Duke, which seem to be the two schools kids now want most after HYPMS, followed by Williams, Brown and Dartmouth. Not a lot of kids want Caltech but it’s held in high regards and seen as too hard for most kids.

Our school sends at least 20% to Ivies a year (not counting Ivy plus) including at least 7-8 kids to HYP (out of 100) and another 30% to the Ivy+ and WASP, latest trend parents are noticing (CC even commented some of this):
- fewer kids want JHU, seen as the new where fun goes to die
- a lot more kids want Duke than 5-10 years ago
- Brown is seen as most unpredictable among Ivies or top schools we historically “feed” to for over 100 years
- more kids now want Cornell than before. It used to be looked down upon (I know this will evoke eye rolls) by top kids and the wealthiest families but it is now seen as more well-rounded and less grindy as before
- not one single kid EDed to Chicago in the most recent cycle. Families are getting turned off by their ED or bust approach. Also kids are unclear if it is a strong humanities school or a strong STEM school, or neither. It is now only known for economics but I heard some recent alums from our school are choosing it for law school after going to HYPMS Penn Duke Dartmouth for undergrad.
- no non-athlete use their ED on WASP, it’s seen as a risky bet. A decent amount of kids get in RD from our school so if you really want WASP, you try your luck at HYPMS EA so you don’t waste your early choice but it’s not binding
- all the yield protection schools have in last 2 cycles made college app less stressful for a lot of kids, which is a reversal of the trend of hypercompetitiveness and hyper anxiety. Schools like WashU, Emory and Vanderbilt now very reliably take 3.6 GPA kids if you ED. If you ED schools like Middlebury, Hamilton, Tufts, Vassar with a 3.4, you will get in. This has made things more relaxing and at a school like ours that used to be HYP or busy, families have recently become more open to T20-40 schools. The only exception is Rice, they need high SAT plus around 3.8 GPA, but if you apply with that ED, your chance of acceptance is literally 100% for kids from our school in the last 5-6 years.

Where I come from, after HYPSM, it's really just Wharton and maybe Columbia. Schools like Dartmouth and Williams have fallen out of favor generally.

Sure they have…so what you are saying is all of the kids are heading to non selective SEC schools. Roll tide

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Anonymous wrote:HYPSM
Caltech
Columbia
Penn
Chicago
Duke / Northwestern

Wrong. Northwestern is not part of this group. Look at what the Ivy League considers its peers.

Northwestern is not a peer of the lower ivies. It is consistently ranked ABOVE Brown, Dartmouth and Cornell, so on that point you are correct.

NU is T10 and has been for some time.

I like Northwestern but it's not top 10 in the general sense.

Here are 10 schools that are generally more prestigious

1-5 HYPSM
6 CalTech
7 Columbia
8 Penn
9 Chicago
10 Duke

You have your own bias. No one I know hold Columbia in the highest regard anymore.

NP
I see the same in our non-DMV east coast feeder private. Columbia is not as desirable as Penn and Duke, which seem to be the two schools kids now want most after HYPMS, followed by Williams, Brown and Dartmouth. Not a lot of kids want Caltech but it’s held in high regards and seen as too hard for most kids.

Our school sends at least 20% to Ivies a year (not counting Ivy plus) including at least 7-8 kids to HYP (out of 100) and another 30% to the Ivy+ and WASP, latest trend parents are noticing (CC even commented some of this):
- fewer kids want JHU, seen as the new where fun goes to die
- a lot more kids want Duke than 5-10 years ago
- Brown is seen as most unpredictable among Ivies or top schools we historically “feed” to for over 100 years
- more kids now want Cornell than before. It used to be looked down upon (I know this will evoke eye rolls) by top kids and the wealthiest families but it is now seen as more well-rounded and less grindy as before
- not one single kid EDed to Chicago in the most recent cycle. Families are getting turned off by their ED or bust approach. Also kids are unclear if it is a strong humanities school or a strong STEM school, or neither. It is now only known for economics but I heard some recent alums from our school are choosing it for law school after going to HYPMS Penn Duke Dartmouth for undergrad.
- no non-athlete use their ED on WASP, it’s seen as a risky bet. A decent amount of kids get in RD from our school so if you really want WASP, you try your luck at HYPMS EA so you don’t waste your early choice but it’s not binding
- all the yield protection schools have in last 2 cycles made college app less stressful for a lot of kids, which is a reversal of the trend of hypercompetitiveness and hyper anxiety. Schools like WashU, Emory and Vanderbilt now very reliably take 3.6 GPA kids if you ED. If you ED schools like Middlebury, Hamilton, Tufts, Vassar with a 3.4, you will get in. This has made things more relaxing and at a school like ours that used to be HYP or busy, families have recently become more open to T20-40 schools. The only exception is Rice, they need high SAT plus around 3.8 GPA, but if you apply with that ED, your chance of acceptance is literally 100% for kids from our school in the last 5-6 years.

Where I come from, after HYPSM, it's really just Wharton and maybe Columbia. Schools like Dartmouth and Williams have fallen out of favor generally.

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Anonymous wrote:So much hate for the Chicago schools. What did they ever do to you? 😆

Chicago and Northeastern have a lot in common, no transparency.

Northwestern, we got no problems with.

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Anonymous wrote:HYPSM
Caltech
Columbia
Penn
Chicago
Duke / Northwestern

Wrong. Northwestern is not part of this group. Look at what the Ivy League considers its peers.

Northwestern is not a peer of the lower ivies. It is consistently ranked ABOVE Brown, Dartmouth and Cornell, so on that point you are correct.

NU is T10 and has been for some time.

I like Northwestern but it's not top 10 in the general sense.

Here are 10 schools that are generally more prestigious

1-5 HYPSM
6 CalTech
7 Columbia
8 Penn
9 Chicago
10 Duke

You have your own bias. No one I know hold Columbia in the highest regard anymore.

NP
I see the same in our non-DMV east coast feeder private. Columbia is not as desirable as Penn and Duke, which seem to be the two schools kids now want most after HYPMS, followed by Williams, Brown and Dartmouth. Not a lot of kids want Caltech but it’s held in high regards and seen as too hard for most kids.

Our school sends at least 20% to Ivies a year (not counting Ivy plus) including at least 7-8 kids to HYP (out of 100) and another 30% to the Ivy+ and WASP, latest trend parents are noticing (CC even commented some of this):
- fewer kids want JHU, seen as the new where fun goes to die
- a lot more kids want Duke than 5-10 years ago
- Brown is seen as most unpredictable among Ivies or top schools we historically “feed” to for over 100 years
- more kids now want Cornell than before. It used to be looked down upon (I know this will evoke eye rolls) by top kids and the wealthiest families but it is now seen as more well-rounded and less grindy as before
- not one single kid EDed to Chicago in the most recent cycle. Families are getting turned off by their ED or bust approach. Also kids are unclear if it is a strong humanities school or a strong STEM school, or neither. It is now only known for economics but I heard some recent alums from our school are choosing it for law school after going to HYPMS Penn Duke Dartmouth for undergrad.
- no non-athlete use their ED on WASP, it’s seen as a risky bet. A decent amount of kids get in RD from our school so if you really want WASP, you try your luck at HYPMS EA so you don’t waste your early choice but it’s not binding
- all the yield protection schools have in last 2 cycles made college app less stressful for a lot of kids, which is a reversal of the trend of hypercompetitiveness and hyper anxiety. Schools like WashU, Emory and Vanderbilt now very reliably take 3.6 GPA kids if you ED. If you ED schools like Middlebury, Hamilton, Tufts, Vassar with a 3.4, you will get in. This has made things more relaxing and at a school like ours that used to be HYP or busy, families have recently become more open to T20-40 schools. The only exception is Rice, they need high SAT plus around 3.8 GPA, but if you apply with that ED, your chance of acceptance is literally 100% for kids from our school in the last 5-6 years.

Where I come from, after HYPSM, it's really just Wharton and maybe Columbia. Schools like Dartmouth and Williams have fallen out of favor generally.

If kids aren't applying to Dartmouth it's because it's impossible to get into. They are the most popular Ivy from the 2 Ivy feeders my kids attend.
This year something like 12 kids ED'd to Dartmouth from one.

Dartmouth has the 3rd highest yield of the Ivies (higher yield than Yale, Penn, Columbia, Cornell and Brown) and did not go to the waitlist at all last year or this year.
Only Harvard, Princeton, MIT and Stanford yield higher than Dartmouth.

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Anonymous wrote:HYPSM
Caltech
Columbia
Penn
Chicago
Duke / Northwestern

Wrong. Northwestern is not part of this group. Look at what the Ivy League considers its peers.

Northwestern is not a peer of the lower ivies. It is consistently ranked ABOVE Brown, Dartmouth and Cornell, so on that point you are correct.

NU is T10 and has been for some time.

I like Northwestern but it's not top 10 in the general sense.

Here are 10 schools that are generally more prestigious

1-5 HYPSM
6 CalTech
7 Columbia
8 Penn
9 Chicago
10 Duke

You have your own bias. No one I know hold Columbia in the highest regard anymore.

NP
I see the same in our non-DMV east coast feeder private. Columbia is not as desirable as Penn and Duke, which seem to be the two schools kids now want most after HYPMS, followed by Williams, Brown and Dartmouth. Not a lot of kids want Caltech but it’s held in high regards and seen as too hard for most kids.

Our school sends at least 20% to Ivies a year (not counting Ivy plus) including at least 7-8 kids to HYP (out of 100) and another 30% to the Ivy+ and WASP, latest trend parents are noticing (CC even commented some of this):
- fewer kids want JHU, seen as the new where fun goes to die
- a lot more kids want Duke than 5-10 years ago
- Brown is seen as most unpredictable among Ivies or top schools we historically “feed” to for over 100 years
- more kids now want Cornell than before. It used to be looked down upon (I know this will evoke eye rolls) by top kids and the wealthiest families but it is now seen as more well-rounded and less grindy as before
- not one single kid EDed to Chicago in the most recent cycle. Families are getting turned off by their ED or bust approach. Also kids are unclear if it is a strong humanities school or a strong STEM school, or neither. It is now only known for economics but I heard some recent alums from our school are choosing it for law school after going to HYPMS Penn Duke Dartmouth for undergrad.
- no non-athlete use their ED on WASP, it’s seen as a risky bet. A decent amount of kids get in RD from our school so if you really want WASP, you try your luck at HYPMS EA so you don’t waste your early choice but it’s not binding
- all the yield protection schools have in last 2 cycles made college app less stressful for a lot of kids, which is a reversal of the trend of hypercompetitiveness and hyper anxiety. Schools like WashU, Emory and Vanderbilt now very reliably take 3.6 GPA kids if you ED. If you ED schools like Middlebury, Hamilton, Tufts, Vassar with a 3.4, you will get in. This has made things more relaxing and at a school like ours that used to be HYP or busy, families have recently become more open to T20-40 schools. The only exception is Rice, they need high SAT plus around 3.8 GPA, but if you apply with that ED, your chance of acceptance is literally 100% for kids from our school in the last 5-6 years.

Anonymous wrote:So much hate for the Chicago schools. What did they ever do to you? 😆

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Anonymous wrote:HYPSM
Caltech
Columbia
Penn
Chicago
Duke / Northwestern

Wrong. Northwestern is not part of this group. Look at what the Ivy League considers its peers.

Northwestern is not a peer of the lower ivies. It is consistently ranked ABOVE Brown, Dartmouth and Cornell, so on that point you are correct.

NU is T10 and has been for some time.

I like Northwestern but it's not top 10 in the general sense.

Here are 10 schools that are generally more prestigious

1-5 HYPSM
6 CalTech
7 Columbia
8 Penn
9 Chicago
10 Duke

You have your own bias. No one I know hold Columbia in the highest regard anymore.

NP
I see the same in our non-DMV east coast feeder private. Columbia is not as desirable as Penn and Duke, which seem to be the two schools kids now want most after HYPMS, followed by Williams, Brown and Dartmouth. Not a lot of kids want Caltech but it’s held in high regards and seen as too hard for most kids.

Our school sends at least 20% to Ivies a year (not counting Ivy plus) including at least 7-8 kids to HYP (out of 100) and another 30% to the Ivy+ and WASP, latest trend parents are noticing (CC even commented some of this):
- fewer kids want JHU, seen as the new where fun goes to die
- a lot more kids want Duke than 5-10 years ago
- Brown is seen as most unpredictable among Ivies or top schools we historically “feed” to for over 100 years
- more kids now want Cornell than before. It used to be looked down upon (I know this will evoke eye rolls) by top kids and the wealthiest families but it is now seen as more well-rounded and less grindy as before
- not one single kid EDed to Chicago in the most recent cycle. Families are getting turned off by their ED or bust approach. Also kids are unclear if it is a strong humanities school or a strong STEM school, or neither. It is now only known for economics but I heard some recent alums from our school are choosing it for law school after going to HYPMS Penn Duke Dartmouth for undergrad.
- no non-athlete use their ED on WASP, it’s seen as a risky bet. A decent amount of kids get in RD from our school so if you really want WASP, you try your luck at HYPMS EA so you don’t waste your early choice but it’s not binding
- all the yield protection schools have in last 2 cycles made college app less stressful for a lot of kids, which is a reversal of the trend of hypercompetitiveness and hyper anxiety. Schools like WashU, Emory and Vanderbilt now very reliably take 3.6 GPA kids if you ED. If you ED schools like Middlebury, Hamilton, Tufts, Vassar with a 3.4, you will get in. This has made things more relaxing and at a school like ours that used to be HYP or busy, families have recently become more open to T20-40 schools. The only exception is Rice, they need high SAT plus around 3.8 GPA, but if you apply with that ED, your chance of acceptance is literally 100% for kids from our school in the last 5-6 years.

Where I come from, after HYPSM, it's really just Wharton and maybe Columbia. Schools like Dartmouth and Williams have fallen out of favor generally.