Anonymous wrote:I was going to share my kid's offer, but this thread has gone off the rails.

Another one bites the dust.

Do, do, do

Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust.

Have a great day everyone!

This is smart move.

These threads are hijacked by one individual marketing his false agenda to ignore the 12 month age window and play youth soccer in grades, like school. His goal is to get the Aug births out of his kid's age group to help his kid.

He isn't trying to help, he is trying to misinform while offering no proof.

Everyone, talk to your current and old coaches for advice and don't trust opinions labeled here as facts. Each kid's case is different.

If you and your kid want to play grade, great. But nobody should be shamed into not playing on grade if they don't want to and they don't have to.

Best of luck.

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Anonymous wrote:Kid has q3 bday and is repeating age group. On 2nd team now and will be on 1st team next year. Had some new age group scrimmages the past couple weeks and DC looked like one of the best kids out there.

Congrats! I think this is what most Aug/Sept parents expected would happen for their kid, but from this thread, it seems that isn't the case.

The top team at clubs will be made up of August - December kids. Whether that is from moving kids from former B teams or kids from outside the club. We all know that the oldest kids in a 12 month range are on the top teams. For the former top players on a team, born January - March, get used to reduced minutes, keeping the bench warm or being placed on a lower team.

Nah. You need to reread the Outliers by Gladwell. If you believe in the concept of cumulative advantages (and I do) then you'll only see that effect in the younger age groups in a few years at roughly the same rate as you are seeing current Jan to March kids over represented on top teams. The current Jan to March kids already banked their advantages (got extra attention, made top teams, played top comp), so they'll be fine. It's the late spring and summer babies that are most at risk.

I agree that in SY July and Aug birthdays get screwed. Fortunately theres very few schools that start in July so almost everyone can now play on their correct grade in school team. Assuming Aug bightdays play up if needed.

This obsession with school year/grade really kills me. School year or not a kid born May to July is getting the short end of the stick here for club soccer. The schools are wholly irrelevant. A kid's actual grade is the only thing that is unchanged!!!!

Seriously stop, grade exists because of college recruiting. You obviously know everything about under u10. Once you get to the college recruiting level everything changes.

Did you just seriously say "grade exists because of college recruiting"

I know of some parents who's kid (pre u13) could play a grade lower but are advocating to stay with grade for a variety of reasons. TBD if club allows it, but anticipate it to be the case.

I was going to share my kid's offer, but this thread has gone off the rails.

Another one bites the dust.

Do, do, do

Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust.

Have a great day everyone!

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Anonymous wrote:Kid has q3 bday and is repeating age group. On 2nd team now and will be on 1st team next year. Had some new age group scrimmages the past couple weeks and DC looked like one of the best kids out there.

Congrats! I think this is what most Aug/Sept parents expected would happen for their kid, but from this thread, it seems that isn't the case.

The top team at clubs will be made up of August - December kids. Whether that is from moving kids from former B teams or kids from outside the club. We all know that the oldest kids in a 12 month range are on the top teams. For the former top players on a team, born January - March, get used to reduced minutes, keeping the bench warm or being placed on a lower team.

Nah. You need to reread the Outliers by Gladwell. If you believe in the concept of cumulative advantages (and I do) then you'll only see that effect in the younger age groups in a few years at roughly the same rate as you are seeing current Jan to March kids over represented on top teams. The current Jan to March kids already banked their advantages (got extra attention, made top teams, played top comp), so they'll be fine. It's the late spring and summer babies that are most at risk.

I agree that in SY July and Aug birthdays get screwed. Fortunately theres very few schools that start in July so almost everyone can now play on their correct grade in school team. Assuming Aug bightdays play up if needed.

This obsession with school year/grade really kills me. School year or not a kid born May to July is getting the short end of the stick here for club soccer. The schools are wholly irrelevant. A kid's actual grade is the only thing that is unchanged!!!!

Seriously stop, grade exists because of college recruiting. You obviously know everything about under u10. Once you get to the college recruiting level everything changes.

Ok. I will stop arguing. I'm a new arguer by the way. What you are saying makes absolutely no sense so you can keep your angst. I'm not worried about my summer baby.

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Anonymous wrote:Kid has q3 bday and is repeating age group. On 2nd team now and will be on 1st team next year. Had some new age group scrimmages the past couple weeks and DC looked like one of the best kids out there.

Congrats! I think this is what most Aug/Sept parents expected would happen for their kid, but from this thread, it seems that isn't the case.

The top team at clubs will be made up of August - December kids. Whether that is from moving kids from former B teams or kids from outside the club. We all know that the oldest kids in a 12 month range are on the top teams. For the former top players on a team, born January - March, get used to reduced minutes, keeping the bench warm or being placed on a lower team.

Nah. You need to reread the Outliers by Gladwell. If you believe in the concept of cumulative advantages (and I do) then you'll only see that effect in the younger age groups in a few years at roughly the same rate as you are seeing current Jan to March kids over represented on top teams. The current Jan to March kids already banked their advantages (got extra attention, made top teams, played top comp), so they'll be fine. It's the late spring and summer babies that are most at risk.

I agree that in SY July and Aug birthdays get screwed. Fortunately theres very few schools that start in July so almost everyone can now play on their correct grade in school team. Assuming Aug bightdays play up if needed.

This obsession with school year/grade really kills me. School year or not a kid born May to July is getting the short end of the stick here for club soccer. The schools are wholly irrelevant. A kid's actual grade is the only thing that is unchanged!!!!

What stinks for these May yo July kids is that they also get the short end of the stick for school sports. August being the new January gives an edge to a month that often gets jammed up which is nice.

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Anonymous wrote:Kid has q3 bday and is repeating age group. On 2nd team now and will be on 1st team next year. Had some new age group scrimmages the past couple weeks and DC looked like one of the best kids out there.

Congrats! I think this is what most Aug/Sept parents expected would happen for their kid, but from this thread, it seems that isn't the case.

The top team at clubs will be made up of August - December kids. Whether that is from moving kids from former B teams or kids from outside the club. We all know that the oldest kids in a 12 month range are on the top teams. For the former top players on a team, born January - March, get used to reduced minutes, keeping the bench warm or being placed on a lower team.

Nah. You need to reread the Outliers by Gladwell. If you believe in the concept of cumulative advantages (and I do) then you'll only see that effect in the younger age groups in a few years at roughly the same rate as you are seeing current Jan to March kids over represented on top teams. The current Jan to March kids already banked their advantages (got extra attention, made top teams, played top comp), so they'll be fine. It's the late spring and summer babies that are most at risk.

I agree that in SY July and Aug birthdays get screwed. Fortunately theres very few schools that start in July so almost everyone can now play on their correct grade in school team. Assuming Aug bightdays play up if needed.

With all the states having differing school start dates, holdbacks, some kids going to school early, and some kids playing up, SY never be the perfect grade alignment, it's just better than BY. Still probably say 1 out of 6 kids off grade.

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Anonymous wrote:Kid has q3 bday and is repeating age group. On 2nd team now and will be on 1st team next year. Had some new age group scrimmages the past couple weeks and DC looked like one of the best kids out there.

Congrats! I think this is what most Aug/Sept parents expected would happen for their kid, but from this thread, it seems that isn't the case.

The top team at clubs will be made up of August - December kids. Whether that is from moving kids from former B teams or kids from outside the club. We all know that the oldest kids in a 12 month range are on the top teams. For the former top players on a team, born January - March, get used to reduced minutes, keeping the bench warm or being placed on a lower team.

Nah. You need to reread the Outliers by Gladwell. If you believe in the concept of cumulative advantages (and I do) then you'll only see that effect in the younger age groups in a few years at roughly the same rate as you are seeing current Jan to March kids over represented on top teams. The current Jan to March kids already banked their advantages (got extra attention, made top teams, played top comp), so they'll be fine. It's the late spring and summer babies that are most at risk.

I agree that in SY July and Aug birthdays get screwed. Fortunately theres very few schools that start in July so almost everyone can now play on their correct grade in school team. Assuming Aug bightdays play up if needed.

This obsession with school year/grade really kills me. School year or not a kid born May to July is getting the short end of the stick here for club soccer. The schools are wholly irrelevant. A kid's actual grade is the only thing that is unchanged!!!!

Seriously stop, grade exists because of college recruiting. You obviously know everything about under u10. Once you get to the college recruiting level everything changes.

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Anonymous wrote:Kid has q3 bday and is repeating age group. On 2nd team now and will be on 1st team next year. Had some new age group scrimmages the past couple weeks and DC looked like one of the best kids out there.

Congrats! I think this is what most Aug/Sept parents expected would happen for their kid, but from this thread, it seems that isn't the case.

The top team at clubs will be made up of August - December kids. Whether that is from moving kids from former B teams or kids from outside the club. We all know that the oldest kids in a 12 month range are on the top teams. For the former top players on a team, born January - March, get used to reduced minutes, keeping the bench warm or being placed on a lower team.

Nah. You need to reread the Outliers by Gladwell. If you believe in the concept of cumulative advantages (and I do) then you'll only see that effect in the younger age groups in a few years at roughly the same rate as you are seeing current Jan to March kids over represented on top teams. The current Jan to March kids already banked their advantages (got extra attention, made top teams, played top comp), so they'll be fine. It's the late spring and summer babies that are most at risk.

Matthew Effect, the rich get richer, will keep the older aged Jan-Mar group around a few years. But yeah, May- July down a peg now. August won the lottery after they were almost sent to the end of the line with the original Sept 1 announcement. That decision saved August birthdays. The oldest takes the riches.

Except in theory the best players on the boys side are still birth year so NONE OF THIS MATTERS!!!!! Nobody is trying to steal your kid's D3 offer to East Richmond State. And even if they were that offer will not be impacted by a 4 month age change! It's 4 months!

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Anonymous wrote:Kid has q3 bday and is repeating age group. On 2nd team now and will be on 1st team next year. Had some new age group scrimmages the past couple weeks and DC looked like one of the best kids out there.

Congrats! I think this is what most Aug/Sept parents expected would happen for their kid, but from this thread, it seems that isn't the case.

The top team at clubs will be made up of August - December kids. Whether that is from moving kids from former B teams or kids from outside the club. We all know that the oldest kids in a 12 month range are on the top teams. For the former top players on a team, born January - March, get used to reduced minutes, keeping the bench warm or being placed on a lower team.

Nah. You need to reread the Outliers by Gladwell. If you believe in the concept of cumulative advantages (and I do) then you'll only see that effect in the younger age groups in a few years at roughly the same rate as you are seeing current Jan to March kids over represented on top teams. The current Jan to March kids already banked their advantages (got extra attention, made top teams, played top comp), so they'll be fine. It's the late spring and summer babies that are most at risk.

I agree that in SY July and Aug birthdays get screwed. Fortunately theres very few schools that start in July so almost everyone can now play on their correct grade in school team. Assuming Aug bightdays play up if needed.

This obsession with school year/grade really kills me. School year or not a kid born May to July is getting the short end of the stick here for club soccer. The schools are wholly irrelevant. A kid's actual grade is the only thing that is unchanged!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Kid has q3 bday and is repeating age group. On 2nd team now and will be on 1st team next year. Had some new age group scrimmages the past couple weeks and DC looked like one of the best kids out there.

Congrats! I think this is what most Aug/Sept parents expected would happen for their kid, but from this thread, it seems that isn't the case.

The top team at clubs will be made up of August - December kids. Whether that is from moving kids from former B teams or kids from outside the club. We all know that the oldest kids in a 12 month range are on the top teams. For the former top players on a team, born January - March, get used to reduced minutes, keeping the bench warm or being placed on a lower team.

Nah. You need to reread the Outliers by Gladwell. If you believe in the concept of cumulative advantages (and I do) then you'll only see that effect in the younger age groups in a few years at roughly the same rate as you are seeing current Jan to March kids over represented on top teams. The current Jan to March kids already banked their advantages (got extra attention, made top teams, played top comp), so they'll be fine. It's the late spring and summer babies that are most at risk.

I agree that in SY July and Aug birthdays get screwed. Fortunately theres very few schools that start in July so almost everyone can now play on their correct grade in school team. Assuming Aug bightdays play up if needed.

No justification for an assumption means it is bad. Aug winners. You wiener.

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Anonymous wrote:Kid has q3 bday and is repeating age group. On 2nd team now and will be on 1st team next year. Had some new age group scrimmages the past couple weeks and DC looked like one of the best kids out there.

Congrats! I think this is what most Aug/Sept parents expected would happen for their kid, but from this thread, it seems that isn't the case.

The top team at clubs will be made up of August - December kids. Whether that is from moving kids from former B teams or kids from outside the club. We all know that the oldest kids in a 12 month range are on the top teams. For the former top players on a team, born January - March, get used to reduced minutes, keeping the bench warm or being placed on a lower team.

Nah. You need to reread the Outliers by Gladwell. If you believe in the concept of cumulative advantages (and I do) then you'll only see that effect in the younger age groups in a few years at roughly the same rate as you are seeing current Jan to March kids over represented on top teams. The current Jan to March kids already banked their advantages (got extra attention, made top teams, played top comp), so they'll be fine. It's the late spring and summer babies that are most at risk.

Matthew Effect, the rich get richer, will keep the older aged Jan-Mar group around a few years. But yeah, May- July down a peg now. August won the lottery after they were almost sent to the end of the line with the original Sept 1 announcement. That decision saved August birthdays. The oldest takes the riches.

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Anonymous wrote:Kid has q3 bday and is repeating age group. On 2nd team now and will be on 1st team next year. Had some new age group scrimmages the past couple weeks and DC looked like one of the best kids out there.

Congrats! I think this is what most Aug/Sept parents expected would happen for their kid, but from this thread, it seems that isn't the case.

The top team at clubs will be made up of August - December kids. Whether that is from moving kids from former B teams or kids from outside the club. We all know that the oldest kids in a 12 month range are on the top teams. For the former top players on a team, born January - March, get used to reduced minutes, keeping the bench warm or being placed on a lower team.

Not the case on DC's top team. Team is pretty much the same as last year. Only 2 trapped Aug-Dec players added for next year.

So you're saying that if the team stays as is today that all players will be the same graduating year aka grade in school this fall when SY starts?

What? Has nothing to do with grade. This is about how strong coach lock is on re age grouped kids. This grade crude is a dead cat.

That's not an answer

This isn't some grade survey thread for your perverse enjoyment. It's a thread for people with actual Aug-Dec kids seeing what offers the clubs are making. Unrelated to your grade quest vendetta thing.

Its a simple question. Are all the players on your top team the same graduating year?

Not answering the question says a lot.

What is your problem that people can't have a swap of information without you trying to infiltrate your grade agenda?

Regular people with Aug to Dec birthdays trying to figure out offers.

Not become some pawn in your end goal to make youth soccer care about grades.

This is a thread about Aug-Dec players and how things work with SY this fall. All of these players have been playing up since 2017. Yes grade in school matters because this fall many will be playing on their correct grade in school team for the first time.

Grade only matters to you so you can convince that an August girl on your September daughter's team to play up when it is her and her families call. Not yours. So self centered.

Parents of Aug- Dec kids exchanging club info on offers and you use this as a campaign for misinformation. Again!

Is it "misinformation" when it's true?

Or is your agenda to play down showing?

You can’t “play down” when the grouping is by birthdate. It’s nonsensical.

People should make the best decisions for their kids. They can consider grade if they want to & the club allows it.

Fin.

Then why do college coaches all want to know players graduating year when players go through recruiting?

Is it because they want to know when they can expect the player on campus?

It is because theres NCAA rules that say Colleges Coches cant speak directly with players until June 15th after players Sophmore year in High School?

Is it because college coaches are trying to determine the level a player is playing at and compare/contrast them against other players in their graduating year?

This doesn't seem related to offers for Aug to Dec birthdays.

You are trying to sell the Brooklyn bridge. Not be noble and help anyone but yourself. People can do their own research, talk to their coaches and teams.

You are just trying to pollute the well, again and again.

100% graduating year is related to grade in school.

That's not related to offers for Aug to Dec kids, who could be in any grade. It doesn't matter.

Aug birthdays because they can play up can play at two different levels in SY. This is why the question was asked.

Most players and clubs in this position will choose/prefer for the player to play up on their correct grade in school team.

See how it all fits togerher now + why grade in school matters?

Aug kids no different than any other month. Has nothing to do with grades.

It depends on when the school starts NJ is late Sept and some in NY are Nov. All these players would be eligible to play on grade down teams. Which causes players to be misaligned which makes recruiting 1000x harder especially if you're on a grade down team. This is because college coaches are comparing you against other players in your grade. Not level played in club.

You should be more worried about the bearded euros taking your kid's spot before someone that happens to be 6 months older because of an age change in 2026. Smh

College soccer spots will be P2P to the highest bidder in a few years at this rate.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any Q3 and Q4s gotten offers from a higher level team in the lower age group?

bwahahahahahaha

That goes against club interest

I am curious to know this as well

Can you explain how this goes against club interest? I legitimately do not understand, but I’m confident I’m missing something and you must be right.

Clubs don't like to promote within their club because it doesn't make them more money and blocks top slots that they can use to offer outsiders, meaning more money for the club.

I think that’s less likely this year. There’s a whole 5 months of birthdates to pull from within the club itself. Clubs would be silly not to evaluate those kids, current kids and new kids.

My DD is a Q4, and if she isn’t moved up a level or two by going down an age group, we will look elsewhere. We know the kids on the age group below for rec soccer, so we know where we fit in, and it’s definitely not the same level as the one we are playing in at the older age group.

Correct as you defined if the club has multiple players available for every roster position they're not going to let grade older players play down on the team. Its just much easier for clubs to avoid the 8th grade season challenges and misaligned recruiting issues.

You might see grade older players playing down on B and C teams but nobody really cares how these teams perform so it doesnt matter.

Not talking the grade older nonsense. These are the kids born in Oct-Dec that naturally will be moving “down” an age group bc of the change to SY. They are joining teams where the kids are all in their grade.

Even with Oct-Dec depending on when the school starts some players will go down 2 levels when switching from BY to SY. In this case players will have to play up to be on the correct grade in school team.

What are you talking about about, 2 levels? Each club is different , not a discussion of grade here.

Just stop. College coaches recruit by graduating year so yes grade matters.

Depending on when an Aug birthday occurs and when their school cutoff occurs BY players changing to SY might go to a correct grade in school team or they'll be the one player a grade older on team where everyone is a grade younger. Usually in the second situation players choose to play up so they're on the team thats their grade in school.

Not an advice column here. Players can't choose what team offers will come from. Clubs make offers and they don't have grades.

Clubs that dont accommodate parent requests wont be in business long. Also aligning players by grade is easier for clubs.

Clubs that accommodate requests won't be in business long. Soccer is a competitive sport, you have to earn playing, it's a central tenet of sports. it isn't requested nicely.

But clubs already accommodate some players/parents anyway. Do you know kids that play up already? I do.

Playing up is earned by being top in an age group. It is picked or allowed for funzies.

You actually believe this? Every club has a kid (player y) that plays up and another (player x) that doesn't where people say "player x is better than player y". It's not just because it's "earned" by player and family y. It's that some families have been playing this "take my ball and go home" game since U9.

On the boys side, playing up for top teams on top clubs is a unicorn.

Is that so? Then I know a lot of unicorns running around on many of the top clubs. Respectfully, I think you are just misinformed. Name a big club on the boys side that doesn't have players playing up? I can't think of a big club that doesn't.

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Anonymous wrote:Kid has q3 bday and is repeating age group. On 2nd team now and will be on 1st team next year. Had some new age group scrimmages the past couple weeks and DC looked like one of the best kids out there.

Congrats! I think this is what most Aug/Sept parents expected would happen for their kid, but from this thread, it seems that isn't the case.

The top team at clubs will be made up of August - December kids. Whether that is from moving kids from former B teams or kids from outside the club. We all know that the oldest kids in a 12 month range are on the top teams. For the former top players on a team, born January - March, get used to reduced minutes, keeping the bench warm or being placed on a lower team.

Nah. You need to reread the Outliers by Gladwell. If you believe in the concept of cumulative advantages (and I do) then you'll only see that effect in the younger age groups in a few years at roughly the same rate as you are seeing current Jan to March kids over represented on top teams. The current Jan to March kids already banked their advantages (got extra attention, made top teams, played top comp), so they'll be fine. It's the late spring and summer babies that are most at risk.

I agree that in SY July and Aug birthdays get screwed. Fortunately theres very few schools that start in July so almost everyone can now play on their correct grade in school team. Assuming Aug bightdays play up if needed.