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Anonymous wrote:Vic is so sexy!

I don’t know why so many posters think a healthy relationship is “boring.”

That couple is inspiring and encouraging.

It IS boring. And that's ok, preferable for real life. It's just not good TV We're here for the drama and the train wrecks clearly.

TV has trained you in an ugly way.

Those people we are watching from the couch are real.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg I just got to episode 11 with Bri and Connor in the kitchen and this is so awful to watch her blow up her life. She’s literally the model for how to die alone.

Run, Connor, run!
Do not marry the girl who tells you to your face that you aren’t an alpha male. She doesn’t respect you.

I cant imagine dumping someone because they didn't
a) talk over you
b) tell you what you wanted to eat

Makes me want to gag

Anonymous wrote:Omg I just got to episode 11 with Bri and Connor in the kitchen and this is so awful to watch her blow up her life. She’s literally the model for how to die alone.

Run, Connor, run!
Do not marry the girl who tells you to your face that you aren’t an alpha male. She doesn’t respect you.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe the things she said in that conversation! There’s no hope for them now.

I will throw my remote at my TV next week if Mike says no to Emma.

I predict that Devonta will leave Brittany at the altar. Feel like the rest could go either way.

But Christine and Vic are a lock, don’t you think?

NP. I think so, yes, about Christine and Vic.

Mike should say no. He wants kids, it's a non-negotiable. He shouldn't marry someone who "might" change her mind on that topic. But I could also see Emma saying no, for the same reason. However, Mike does seem to really love her. Does she love him? I can't tell.

Devonta and Brittany are this season's Nancy and Bartise. Painful to watch. Same with Ashley and Alex. Agree with everyone he is both messed up and gross.

Really don't know about Amber and Jordan. I could see them saying no but continuing to date after the show.

I agree Mike's a no, as he should be. He wants it to work out, but you don't marry someone with such a huge issue hanging over them. Jordan's a good guy but taking on a step-kid is a huge responsibility. They should both say no and continue to work on the relationship, including the little girl.
The others are obviously a no. Agree they put weirdly-spliced Vic and Christine footage in because they're the only yes!

There was a lot of glazing of Jordan in comments, but I think he's too immature to take on that role. Maybe eventually, but not now. Also, I'm pretty sure he just likes Amber because he finds her very attractive. And she likes him because he's actually nice to her. That doesn't mean they should be together. I predict a break-up, initiated by Amber. I'd be happy to be wrong, but I don't think so.

Couldn't agree with this more. They don't seem compatible, like at all. He seems like a man-child who still has some growing up to do. Also, not very willing to compromise. She has a much nicer house, but he wants his house because he wants proximity to bars. That's not someone who is going to prioritize family life. I think she deserves better.

Yeah, I don't think Jordan is good stepfather material right now and I'm disappointed in Amber for not recognizing that. You don't take that big of a leap of faith with a child's feelings and stability in the mix.

I think initially viewers thought Amber would dump him because he wasn't her equal in terms of physical attributes and were worried for him. He may be genial but he's a very basic bro type otherwise. Look at his behavior in the bar. She needs a grown-up. She'd probably end up nagging the sh*t out of him.

Okay, he has little going for him…but why are people acting like she is a beauty queen. She looks sort of damaged to me. Dresses too sexually. Fake breasts. Overprocessed hair.

I think she has been through a lot. But she seems like a caring mom,

They remind me of a 90s sitcom couple. He's schlubby but well-intentioned and not actively ugly. She's too hot for him but not a gorgeous. I was raised on couples like this! Maybe that's why I'm rooting for them to make it work?

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe the things she said in that conversation! There’s no hope for them now.

I will throw my remote at my TV next week if Mike says no to Emma.

I predict that Devonta will leave Brittany at the altar. Feel like the rest could go either way.

But Christine and Vic are a lock, don’t you think?

NP. I think so, yes, about Christine and Vic.

Mike should say no. He wants kids, it's a non-negotiable. He shouldn't marry someone who "might" change her mind on that topic. But I could also see Emma saying no, for the same reason. However, Mike does seem to really love her. Does she love him? I can't tell.

Devonta and Brittany are this season's Nancy and Bartise. Painful to watch. Same with Ashley and Alex. Agree with everyone he is both messed up and gross.

Really don't know about Amber and Jordan. I could see them saying no but continuing to date after the show.

I agree Mike's a no, as he should be. He wants it to work out, but you don't marry someone with such a huge issue hanging over them. Jordan's a good guy but taking on a step-kid is a huge responsibility. They should both say no and continue to work on the relationship, including the little girl.
The others are obviously a no. Agree they put weirdly-spliced Vic and Christine footage in because they're the only yes!

There was a lot of glazing of Jordan in comments, but I think he's too immature to take on that role. Maybe eventually, but not now. Also, I'm pretty sure he just likes Amber because he finds her very attractive. And she likes him because he's actually nice to her. That doesn't mean they should be together. I predict a break-up, initiated by Amber. I'd be happy to be wrong, but I don't think so.

Couldn't agree with this more. They don't seem compatible, like at all. He seems like a man-child who still has some growing up to do. Also, not very willing to compromise. She has a much nicer house, but he wants his house because he wants proximity to bars. That's not someone who is going to prioritize family life. I think she deserves better.

Yeah, I don't think Jordan is good stepfather material right now and I'm disappointed in Amber for not recognizing that. You don't take that big of a leap of faith with a child's feelings and stability in the mix.

I think initially viewers thought Amber would dump him because he wasn't her equal in terms of physical attributes and were worried for him. He may be genial but he's a very basic bro type otherwise. Look at his behavior in the bar. She needs a grown-up. She'd probably end up nagging the sh*t out of him.

Okay, he has little going for him…but why are people acting like she is a beauty queen. She looks sort of damaged to me. Dresses too sexually. Fake breasts. Overprocessed hair.

I think she has been through a lot. But she seems like a caring mom,

They remind me of a 90s sitcom couple. He's schlubby but well-intentioned and not actively ugly. She's too hot for him but not a gorgeous. I was raised on couples like this! Maybe that's why I'm rooting for them to make it work?

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe the things she said in that conversation! There’s no hope for them now.

I will throw my remote at my TV next week if Mike says no to Emma.

I predict that Devonta will leave Brittany at the altar. Feel like the rest could go either way.

But Christine and Vic are a lock, don’t you think?

NP. I think so, yes, about Christine and Vic.

Mike should say no. He wants kids, it's a non-negotiable. He shouldn't marry someone who "might" change her mind on that topic. But I could also see Emma saying no, for the same reason. However, Mike does seem to really love her. Does she love him? I can't tell.

Devonta and Brittany are this season's Nancy and Bartise. Painful to watch. Same with Ashley and Alex. Agree with everyone he is both messed up and gross.

Really don't know about Amber and Jordan. I could see them saying no but continuing to date after the show.

I agree Mike's a no, as he should be. He wants it to work out, but you don't marry someone with such a huge issue hanging over them. Jordan's a good guy but taking on a step-kid is a huge responsibility. They should both say no and continue to work on the relationship, including the little girl.
The others are obviously a no. Agree they put weirdly-spliced Vic and Christine footage in because they're the only yes!

There was a lot of glazing of Jordan in comments, but I think he's too immature to take on that role. Maybe eventually, but not now. Also, I'm pretty sure he just likes Amber because he finds her very attractive. And she likes him because he's actually nice to her. That doesn't mean they should be together. I predict a break-up, initiated by Amber. I'd be happy to be wrong, but I don't think so.

Couldn't agree with this more. They don't seem compatible, like at all. He seems like a man-child who still has some growing up to do. Also, not very willing to compromise. She has a much nicer house, but he wants his house because he wants proximity to bars. That's not someone who is going to prioritize family life. I think she deserves better.

Yeah, I don't think Jordan is good stepfather material right now and I'm disappointed in Amber for not recognizing that. You don't take that big of a leap of faith with a child's feelings and stability in the mix.

I think initially viewers thought Amber would dump him because he wasn't her equal in terms of physical attributes and were worried for him. He may be genial but he's a very basic bro type otherwise. Look at his behavior in the bar. She needs a grown-up. She'd probably end up nagging the sh*t out of him.

Okay, he has little going for him…but why are people acting like she is a beauty queen. She looks sort of damaged to me. Dresses too sexually. Fake breasts. Overprocessed hair.

I think she has been through a lot. But she seems like a caring mom,

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't resist, looked up spoilers. I will only say that it all tracks.

I’ve decided I don’t want spoilers, but I was tempted with that last episode. From the edit, it definitely felt like Mike assumed Emma would say no, which would leave him looking like the good guy so he didn’t have to break it off. He looked like a deer in headlights when she said yes. OR could be just the edit. We’ll see. What a horrible thing to do to someone if he says no now. Yikes.

I disagree it's horrible. It's responsible. He really wants kids, the very first thing he said at the altar. He was giving her the out, cuing her to say no first. Btw there is a rumor she knew that and deliberately said no to keep it "spicy." Who knows if that's true.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe the things she said in that conversation! There’s no hope for them now.

I will throw my remote at my TV next week if Mike says no to Emma.

I predict that Devonta will leave Brittany at the altar. Feel like the rest could go either way.

But Christine and Vic are a lock, don’t you think?

NP. I think so, yes, about Christine and Vic.

Mike should say no. He wants kids, it's a non-negotiable. He shouldn't marry someone who "might" change her mind on that topic. But I could also see Emma saying no, for the same reason. However, Mike does seem to really love her. Does she love him? I can't tell.

Devonta and Brittany are this season's Nancy and Bartise. Painful to watch. Same with Ashley and Alex. Agree with everyone he is both messed up and gross.

Really don't know about Amber and Jordan. I could see them saying no but continuing to date after the show.

I agree Mike's a no, as he should be. He wants it to work out, but you don't marry someone with such a huge issue hanging over them. Jordan's a good guy but taking on a step-kid is a huge responsibility. They should both say no and continue to work on the relationship, including the little girl.
The others are obviously a no. Agree they put weirdly-spliced Vic and Christine footage in because they're the only yes!

There was a lot of glazing of Jordan in comments, but I think he's too immature to take on that role. Maybe eventually, but not now. Also, I'm pretty sure he just likes Amber because he finds her very attractive. And she likes him because he's actually nice to her. That doesn't mean they should be together. I predict a break-up, initiated by Amber. I'd be happy to be wrong, but I don't think so.

Couldn't agree with this more. They don't seem compatible, like at all. He seems like a man-child who still has some growing up to do. Also, not very willing to compromise. She has a much nicer house, but he wants his house because he wants proximity to bars. That's not someone who is going to prioritize family life. I think she deserves better.

Yeah, I don't think Jordan is good stepfather material right now and I'm disappointed in Amber for not recognizing that. You don't take that big of a leap of faith with a child's feelings and stability in the mix.

I think initially viewers thought Amber would dump him because he wasn't her equal in terms of physical attributes and were worried for him. He may be genial but he's a very basic bro type otherwise. Look at his behavior in the bar. She needs a grown-up. She'd probably end up nagging the sh*t out of him.

Okay, he has little going for him…but why are people acting like she is a beauty queen. She looks sort of damaged to me. Dresses too sexually. Fake breasts. Overprocessed hair.

I think she has been through a lot. But she seems like a caring mom,

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Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about Emma’s sister who has kids and claims to love that she has kids but then says if she got to the end of life and had the chance to do it all over she would not have the kids?
Uummmmm. Girl. It’s one thing to say that to your therapist or even in a private confessional moment to your close girlfriends, but this was on TV! Those children you have are actual people who are going to see this one day.
Keep those inside thoughts INSIDE.

One of the most damaging things to a person’s self worth is feeling that you are unwanted and unloved by your own mother. She may think that that isn’t what she was expressing, but her kids won’t see it that way. And it’s such a painfully unnecessary thing to say to the world for your kids to hear. Just makes me sad for their future selves.

I think a lot of people feel that way. It's also really easy to say AFTER you have kids, because the implication would be that you get to do life "both ways". I don't think it's that bad of a comment. Parents always brag about getting to experience both CF life (before kids) and parent life (after kids). Admitting and acknowledging that parenting is hard is admirable, not shameful imo. And it IS hard! CF life, living for yourself is objectively much easier.

But still, very strange to say it that way in her 2 minutes on national TV. It's not like we got to see her and know the complexities she's dealing with.

It was a nuanced statement, and she was trying to support her sister. I have zero problem with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Vic is so sexy!

I don’t know why so many posters think a healthy relationship is “boring.”

That couple is inspiring and encouraging.

It IS boring. And that's ok, preferable for real life. It's just not good TV We're here for the drama and the train wrecks clearly.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe the things she said in that conversation! There’s no hope for them now.

I will throw my remote at my TV next week if Mike says no to Emma.

I predict that Devonta will leave Brittany at the altar. Feel like the rest could go either way.

But Christine and Vic are a lock, don’t you think?

NP. I think so, yes, about Christine and Vic.

Mike should say no. He wants kids, it's a non-negotiable. He shouldn't marry someone who "might" change her mind on that topic. But I could also see Emma saying no, for the same reason. However, Mike does seem to really love her. Does she love him? I can't tell.

Devonta and Brittany are this season's Nancy and Bartise. Painful to watch. Same with Ashley and Alex. Agree with everyone he is both messed up and gross.

Really don't know about Amber and Jordan. I could see them saying no but continuing to date after the show.

I agree Mike's a no, as he should be. He wants it to work out, but you don't marry someone with such a huge issue hanging over them. Jordan's a good guy but taking on a step-kid is a huge responsibility. They should both say no and continue to work on the relationship, including the little girl.
The others are obviously a no. Agree they put weirdly-spliced Vic and Christine footage in because they're the only yes!

There was a lot of glazing of Jordan in comments, but I think he's too immature to take on that role. Maybe eventually, but not now. Also, I'm pretty sure he just likes Amber because he finds her very attractive. And she likes him because he's actually nice to her. That doesn't mean they should be together. I predict a break-up, initiated by Amber. I'd be happy to be wrong, but I don't think so.

Couldn't agree with this more. They don't seem compatible, like at all. He seems like a man-child who still has some growing up to do. Also, not very willing to compromise. She has a much nicer house, but he wants his house because he wants proximity to bars. That's not someone who is going to prioritize family life. I think she deserves better.

Yeah, I don't think Jordan is good stepfather material right now and I'm disappointed in Amber for not recognizing that. You don't take that big of a leap of faith with a child's feelings and stability in the mix.

I think initially viewers thought Amber would dump him because he wasn't her equal in terms of physical attributes and were worried for him. He may be genial but he's a very basic bro type otherwise. Look at his behavior in the bar. She needs a grown-up. She'd probably end up nagging the sh*t out of him.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about Emma’s sister who has kids and claims to love that she has kids but then says if she got to the end of life and had the chance to do it all over she would not have the kids?
Uummmmm. Girl. It’s one thing to say that to your therapist or even in a private confessional moment to your close girlfriends, but this was on TV! Those children you have are actual people who are going to see this one day.
Keep those inside thoughts INSIDE.

One of the most damaging things to a person’s self worth is feeling that you are unwanted and unloved by your own mother. She may think that that isn’t what she was expressing, but her kids won’t see it that way. And it’s such a painfully unnecessary thing to say to the world for your kids to hear. Just makes me sad for their future selves.

I think a lot of people feel that way. It's also really easy to say AFTER you have kids, because the implication would be that you get to do life "both ways". I don't think it's that bad of a comment. Parents always brag about getting to experience both CF life (before kids) and parent life (after kids). Admitting and acknowledging that parenting is hard is admirable, not shameful imo. And it IS hard! CF life, living for yourself is objectively much easier.

But still, very strange to say it that way in her 2 minutes on national TV. It's not like we got to see her and know the complexities she's dealing with.

Anonymous wrote:Vic is so sexy!

I don’t know why so many posters think a healthy relationship is “boring.”

That couple is inspiring and encouraging.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about Emma’s sister who has kids and claims to love that she has kids but then says if she got to the end of life and had the chance to do it all over she would not have the kids?
Uummmmm. Girl. It’s one thing to say that to your therapist or even in a private confessional moment to your close girlfriends, but this was on TV! Those children you have are actual people who are going to see this one day.
Keep those inside thoughts INSIDE.

One of the most damaging things to a person’s self worth is feeling that you are unwanted and unloved by your own mother. She may think that that isn’t what she was expressing, but her kids won’t see it that way. And it’s such a painfully unnecessary thing to say to the world for your kids to hear. Just makes me sad for their future selves.

I think a lot of people feel that way. It's also really easy to say AFTER you have kids, because the implication would be that you get to do life "both ways". I don't think it's that bad of a comment. Parents always brag about getting to experience both CF life (before kids) and parent life (after kids). Admitting and acknowledging that parenting is hard is admirable, not shameful imo. And it IS hard! CF life, living for yourself is objectively much easier.