The police have stated there was not a ransom note.

I don’t think it is realistic that someone would want to harm her based on politics or as some sort of revenge.

This case is really strange IMO. Seems the most likely scenario is it was someone she semi knew (a service worker of some sort). Pool guy, landscaper, someone who had come to fix something or deliver something to the house. Probably assumed she had a lot of money- being Guthrie’s mother- and something went wrong or got out of hand.

Other option would be a sicko/SA. I really hope not, but there have been cases before.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there other adult children and family in the area? A kid living 3,000 miles away from their aging widow mom makes me so sad. She prob only saw her a handful of times a year

She was close with her mom. This was not her fault. Elderly parents are free agents. Check the Eldercare board and you will see many of us have elders who want to age in place. Check yourself.

You’re projecting because you have a guilty conscience

Do you understand you cannot force your elderly parent to move when they are of sound mind. Look into the legality before you post.

Of sound mind but can't walk 50 yds alone?

Why is this difficult? Many elderly people have physical challenges but are still mentally sound.

Also to the people implying Savannah Guthrie shouldn’t have allowed her mom to live there, that’s where Savannah is from. It is her mother’s home and she has other family and friends in the area. It’s not like Savannah is the only family and abandoned her.

I meant she may be cognitively sound, but if she can't walk well and needs assistance to be mobile, then perhaps live-in help or assisted living facility is appropriate. We sometimes have to make difficult decisions regarding elderly parent care.

My mom lives in Tucson and certainly can’t walk 50 yards unassisted. She has a walker for longer walks like that. My siblings live within a mile or two. She also has an Apple Watch that alerts us if she falls and an Apple home thing she can use to alert us if she falls or needs help. She definitely doesn’t want to move. She comes to visit out here but not in the winter. You’re ridiculous to suggest someone needs to go into a home just because they can’t walk half a football field unassisted!

I stated OR live-in help. If you think not needed for a person in their 80s with very limited mobility, fine with me.

Why the heck would she need live in help? According to her Apple Watch, she averages 2000 steps a day around her house—she just can’t walk long distances due to the athritis. She cooks and cleans and does her laundry and takes her medication. She only needs help with certain things like some of the more complicated online accounts and of course she doesn’t drive. We used to have someone come in a couple times a eeek when my dad was alive but even then the lady ended up just sitting around with nothing really to do, irritating my mom.
It sounds like savannahs mom was totally capable of taking care of herself but maybe didn’t drive anymore and couldn’t walk a half football field. That doesn’t mean she needs round the clock care!

Your head is in the sand and you're spinning. The elderly person you describe should have full-time in-home care and/or live in very close proximity to immediate family. Everything is all good... until it's not. Like letting a senile person drive... until they cause a fatal accident.

NP but you sound like a rich moron with your head in the clouds. And the bolded is a trite and meaningless statement.

It's neither trite nor meaningless.

Incorrect. As a different PP pointed out, that statement is true for literally EVERYONE. i.e. meaningless.

And if you think some variation hasn’t been overused, i.e. trite, then congratulations, you’re just stupid!

I’m from Tucson and I think a maga crazy like pizza gate is not out of the question. There are definitely some people like that there. I did not think the wander away scenario was likely because that area is very hilly and she would not have gone far if she had for instance gone out after dog and tripped or something like that.

I feel so bad for Savannah and her mom. It’s such a nightmare. I do wonder if she has received any communication from the kidnapper and police doesn’t want to release that info yet.

I’m a little surprised she didn’t have a home security system that would automatically dial 911 and/or family members.

For some reason it’s hitting me hard also thinking of Gabby Gifford, who went to my HS. It’s another Tucson girl done good from about the same generation who tried to stand up for other people and make a difference and was targeting by a crazy.

Anonymous wrote:It's true, this could be some sort of crazy pizza-gate like situation.

A lot of loco and violent maga conspiracy theorists out there as we saw on January 6.

I doubt it. Was she reporting at all on Mexico and drug cartels?

Anonymous wrote:The local sheriff is now saying that she was taken from her bed in the middle of the night and was “harmed in the process”. They aren’t saying exactly what this based upon, but I’m sure they would not release that info the media if they were not pretty certain.

It really does not look good. This poor woman. I also feel so sorry for the family. I really can’t even imagine.

Horrible!! The fact they say the public is safe makes me think she was targeted. OMG!

The local sheriff is now saying that she was taken from her bed in the middle of the night and was “harmed in the process”. They aren’t saying exactly what this based upon, but I’m sure they would not release that info the media if they were not pretty certain.

It really does not look good. This poor woman. I also feel so sorry for the family. I really can’t even imagine.

The nightly news just reported that she was taken out of her bed in the middle of the night and that she was hurt.

It's true, this could be some sort of crazy pizza-gate like situation.

A lot of loco and violent maga conspiracy theorists out there as we saw on January 6.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like they believe she disappeared between 1 AM and 4 AM. So unless she was confused, probably not out walking the dog?

How old is the dog? My aunt's eldery dog wears a diaper and will wimper to go out at all hours of the night and morning to pee.

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I don’t know that much about dogs but seems like older dogs or dogs with more health issues may need to go out at night.

People = read the articles. She had cameras.

Police have said they know she didn't leave on her own AND they have declared her house a crime scene. Start your speculating from known facts!

She didn't wander off in the night.

According to reddit there are articles where the police say there is no threat to the public and it is a crime scene. The thing is, if Savannah was getting any threats you know she would make sure mom had even more security. Did she recently do an expose? Is she reporting on the protests and mass murder of the people of Iran? Supposedly the IRGC is all over the US!

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think there was major evidence of a crime like blood. It says the family went to the house and then searched around for an hour before calling police. If they had seen evidence of a major crime, they wouldn't have been wandering the nearby neighborhood and property for an hour looking for her. The house was open, I am sure they looked all through the house first in case she had fallen etc..and then they still searched for an hour before calling police.

I don't think there was blood, but the article makes it sound like it's not just the medicine. It specifically says that there is evidence of a crime. Her being missing without her medicine and nothing more would not constitute evidence of a crime. I bet they found a broken window/forced entry point or something along those lines.

They also said her front door was open (I don't know if they mean unlocked or actually open), and that her purse and phone were still at the house. It could be those kind of things as well. Since she couldn't walk far and she didn't go to church, something clearly happened.

If her purse was still there and I assume credit cards, etc, wouldn't that make it unlikely to be a crime?

Not necessarily. You don’t kidnap an elderly woman just for their credit cards.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there other adult children and family in the area? A kid living 3,000 miles away from their aging widow mom makes me so sad. She prob only saw her a handful of times a year

It's very different these days in the age of all the apps with cameras, though

Signed, Grandma in her 60s

Back in the older days it was literally just letters and still pictures and phone calls across state lines that cost money per minutes

Now photos can be posted online in a hot minute

It is really different

Yeah it’s different that strivers who abandoned their elders think FaceTime and social media means they’re “there” for the elderly. They’re not. The elderly are super vulnerable; both health safety and financial crimes. If SHTF they’re a world apart and can’t help

What exactly are you trying to imply she should have done? If her mother didn't want to move near her, she should drop her job and move there? There were cameras in the home. She may have had family nearby. Savanah has a sister, I think. This mother was NOT abandoned. Do you think women should not allowed to have careers? Are you suggesting Savannah should have forced her mom to move by basically kidnapping her and moving her somewhere against her will to protect her from kidnapping? Do you know how rare kidnapping is? Was she supposed to predict this?

Why are you making this about women/daughters? Because you're projecting. Both self-centered striver sons and daughters abandon elderly and then eagerly cash the trust fund and estate checks when they croak after years of sadness and loneliness -- or worse.

I doubt Savannah is eager to cash the estate check. Very strange.

Someone is definitely acting out her or his own drama and has a vendetta. I recall Savanah saying she came from a modest background. She probably pays for mom's home and any care needed that isn't covered. She is not using her mom for a trust fund or estate checks?!

There is no trust fund. Her father died when she was young and she had to work extra jobs to help support her family.

I was getting hopeful this wasn't a crime and she will be found fine, but articles sound like they do consider it a crime and that she left involuntarily.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope that her mom is okay. Can't imagine kidnapping an 80+ year old woman. They are a massive pain in the ass. Hope she is giving them hell!

OMG, I laughed at this! We are part of possibly a small club of people thinking this in relation to our own mom and too many people will dump on you for this. If it were my mother, they'd bring her back. In fact, I think they wouldn't even take her. They might leave crying after she verbally tore them to shreds. I saw an interview though with Savannah and her mom and her mom is a nice person and was a cheerleader for her. I do hope she is OK and I hope nobody gives you grief for your post.

Hah, my mom would have ripped them to shreds too.