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Anonymous wrote:You must be kidding. Fine schools but below Ivies for sure.

Not kidding. They’re better than Ivies. Better teaching, for sure. They’re the model for undergraduate teaching used by Harvard in recent years.

Princeton? Yale? Dartmouth? The ivies are filled with exemplary teaching and undergraduate focus. Source on Harvard using Williams as a model.

Anonymous wrote:You must be kidding. Fine schools but below Ivies for sure.

Not kidding. They’re better than Ivies. Better teaching, for sure. They’re the model for undergraduate teaching used by Harvard in recent years.

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst's internal admissions data shows that the only Ivy they win cross admits against is Cornell. Based on that, Amherst would be above Cornell and below the rest.

OP here - thank you for this nugget, as it confirms what we thought also - and my hubby is a Cornell grad!

PP here; I'm an Amherst grad, and my mother's a Cornell grad, so I like to rub it in her face

haha tremendous! Cornell is still a very good school and a good fit for many kids. But it has changed dramatically over the years in terms of prestige and educational experience

It's a great school! Just not the right one for me, in the same way that I doubt she would have enjoyed attending Amherst.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amherst's internal admissions data shows that the only Ivy they win cross admits against is Cornell. Based on that, Amherst would be above Cornell and below the rest.

OP here - thank you for this nugget, as it confirms what we thought also - and my hubby is a Cornell grad!

PP here; I'm an Amherst grad, and my mother's a Cornell grad, so I like to rub it in her face

haha tremendous! Cornell is still a very good school and a good fit for many kids. But it has changed dramatically over the years in terms of prestige and educational experience

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you in this thread are really unhinged! Williams has pluses and minuses but overall, I’m very glad that I chose to go there. As a STEM major, I got incredible access to research I’m not sure I would’ve had at a research university.

What exactly does this thread accomplish? Williams and other SLACS are in a category of their own for a reason.

Signed,
A recent Williams grad

You would’ve had better access to research at an Ivy. Denying that is just copium.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you in this thread are really unhinged! Williams has pluses and minuses but overall, I’m very glad that I chose to go there. As a STEM major, I got incredible access to research I’m not sure I would’ve had at a research university.

What exactly does this thread accomplish? Williams and other SLACS are in a category of their own for a reason.

Signed,
A recent Williams grad

You would’ve had better access to research at an Ivy. Denying that is just copium.

Some of you in this thread are really unhinged! Williams has pluses and minuses but overall, I’m very glad that I chose to go there. As a STEM major, I got incredible access to research I’m not sure I would’ve had at a research university.

What exactly does this thread accomplish? Williams and other SLACS are in a category of their own for a reason.

Signed,
A recent Williams grad

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amherst's internal admissions data shows that the only Ivy they win cross admits against is Cornell. Based on that, Amherst would be above Cornell and below the rest.

OP here - thank you for this nugget, as it confirms what we thought also - and my hubby is a Cornell grad!

PP here; I'm an Amherst grad, and my mother's a Cornell grad, so I like to rub it in her face

Anonymous wrote:Amherst's internal admissions data shows that the only Ivy they win cross admits against is Cornell. Based on that, Amherst would be above Cornell and below the rest.

OP here - thank you for this nugget, as it confirms what we thought also - and my hubby is a Cornell grad!

Anonymous wrote:Amherst's internal admissions data shows that the only Ivy they win cross admits against is Cornell. Based on that, Amherst would be above Cornell and below the rest.

Even if what you are saying is true, the logic does not follow. Let’s just say the subset of kids applying to large Ivies like Cornell, Penn and Columbia and top SLACs like Amherst are not the brightest bulbs. Not sure you should be basing “prestige” on these kids’ choices.

Amherst's internal admissions data shows that the only Ivy they win cross admits against is Cornell. Based on that, Amherst would be above Cornell and below the rest.

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Anonymous wrote:Williams and Amherst are true dedicated liberal arts colleges.

They are great preparation for grad schools in many areas, including law, but probably not advanced sciences. Williams, for example, is known for sending swaths of graduates into being custodians of the greater art and history museums.

Amherst was my son’s first choice but towards September they didn’t recruit him, and he ended up going to Williams instead.

They’re not lesser than the Ivies, except in size and disciplines, they are just different.

To this day when I say he went to Williams college a whole lot of people still pause and have no idea what college that is. There’s a pause and something like, “well, you know, at least he went somewhere” … they just don’t know what it is.

They usually have heard of Amherst because it’s … a town in Massachusetts

The Williams art history mafia bs is tiring. A bunch of old alum succeeded, but it really isn’t indicative of the new crop of grads.

That’s interesting, you may well be right. In fact, I don’t doubt you at all.

Perhaps that’s more indicative of the current climate for fine arts, museums and art history in general, given the dominant administrations of the last decade or so and lack of appreciation for those areas of study. Not even including what seem like actual points of attack.

I feel bad for my friends who were initially so proud of their kid going into forestry preservation after environmental studies. Same deal.

A whole slew of university and college humanities and language departments have been decimated in that time. I keep forgetting how long 10 years can be, since now I’m old enough that 10 years feels like only 5 years.

My son’s major would probably not fly today in the US at all in the job market, but instead he studied abroad junior year and had job offers to return to after graduation.

He would likely not find work here in his area of study in the US today. He has more opportunities where he lives now.

What? They are not and will not be Ivy! This is a silly silly game you keep playing.

The Ivy is an athletic conference. Williams and Amherst are strong D3s but would be near the bottom in most sports.

Anonymous wrote:Sure, I guess. But with such extraordinarily selective schools, who really cares?

The best universities in the USA are:

1 Berkeley
2 UCLA
3 University of Michigan
4 UVA / UNC

Private universities are a scam.