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Anonymous wrote:The school has two out buildings that are not being used. They could 100% remodel those out building to provide the additional space needed while maintaining most of the interior of the current building. Put the library on one floor of an out building. Use space there for an English wing or foreign language space or a history space. They could renovate those buildings without disturbing the school during the year and make the spaces that they need for clasrooms.

+1 A little common sense goes a long, long way.

DP. I’m not sure that spending a lot of money on security vestibules and hyperventilating about getting kids out of trailers or modulars at other schools really aligns with kids attending regular classes in the current shell buildings at Western but we all define common sense differently.

Have you seen the area? It is almost a private road.

It’s not exactly gated so the point stands: you’ve got some School Board members acting like modulars are a crime to justify boundary changes while meanwhile Western kids may end up routinely leaving the main building to attend classes in separate, detached buildings. There’s no consistency, just expediency.

I attended school in California where there were open campuses and we walked outside to different buidlings. It was fine. There is a difference between trailers and modulars, that are not long term building, and a detached building. Walking outside to a building for class is no big deal. Using trailers and modulars that are set up on campus to handle over crowding is a different situation.

This is not California but from a safety perspective there is little difference between a modular and any other building detached from the main building.

No, in California they build open schools because they can and it is less expensive to build those buildings. The weather allows it. The safety issues are real because there are more pathways into the school. Is there a safety issue with walking from the building to a detached building or modular? Sure. Is it that big of a deal, no.

The metal detectors at FCPS are bypassed daily, kids are letting their friends in at different doors to get around the traffic jams created at the main door. The metal detectors are performance theatre and that is it. School shooting are scary but they are still a rare event. I am not worried about walking between buildings because of the threat of a school shooting or weather mainly because they are rare events and I attended an open school and know thousands of kids who attend open schools today who have been fine.

Western has two perfectly functional buildings that can easily be incorporated into the school. Kids walk to modulars and trailers every day without incident, I am not worried about kids walking to detached buildings that are better constructed then modulars and trailers.

If you accept that logic, then we have to agree that they are wasting money on security vestibules and talking out of both sides of their mouths when they claim that modulars at others schools need to be eliminated. It’s irrelevant if the shell buildings at Western are better constructed. Their use will present the same security issues as any detached modular.

You people don’t pay attention.

Mateo Dunne said that the shell buildings will be used as administrative offices for FCPS, or as a preschool.

They have two, so one will serve as a Regional Office Building and the other as a Preschool/Daycare.

They won’t be used as core buildings.
Sadly, there are two courtyards I would close in at Western’s main building.

It has four courtyards, three in the 3-4 story part.

I would keep the center one open and form classrooms around a learning bay like at TJ, with bathrooms, workrooms, and whatever is needed in those bays.

I think that makes the most sense.

Put kids over courtyards.

That is one person. I have not heard anyone discuss what they are doing with those buildings. Suggesting that they are used for the school as classrooms is not unreasonable.

So there’s a road that is not a thoroughfare, but has the e potential to become one.

The school is surrounded by industrial buildings where semi trucks, utility vehicles, big vans, and other vehicles drive about.

I believe it would be pretty unreasonable if kids had to cross an industrial road to get to class.

Sweetie, it's a dead end road. There are no trucks coming through there.

I know that.

I’m saying it could be made a thoroughfare, BABE.

There are no plans at all for that road (built specifically for the high school) to be turned into a "thoroughfare". Sure, if you look at a map, there is green space where they could have built a road to connect it to Park Center Rd., but they didn't, because it's unnecessary. It's not busy, and there's nothing you can't get to from Towerview. It's clear you don't live in the area. It's not industrial. There's a storage place, some offices, some equipment rental places, a gas station, a Hilton, a u-haul, and some data centers.

I think this is a little misleading. The listed are NOT Education Drive. Education Drive has NOTHING but the school and those two buildings. Everything on Education Drive is owned by the School Board and the Park Authority.
There is one storage facility on McLearen/Education corner. Its address is McLearen.

There are NO industrial sites. The storage place is on the corner of McLearen and Education Drive.

Anonymous wrote:I have an idea, build classrooms and bathrooms up to the hallways, with collaborative learning pods in the hallways.

I don’t want an Aviation/Aerospace/Ai/Robotics magnet that won’t do jack for the overcrowding.

That idea of Reid’s was horrible because it mainly serves White, Asian, and Indian students ignoring the underserved Black and Hispanic communities.

Michelle Reid is a racist Caucasiophile, Asiaphile and, Indophile, and I’m sick of her crap.

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Anonymous wrote:I have an idea, build classrooms and bathrooms up to the hallways, with collaborative learning pods in the hallways.

I don’t want an Aviation/Aerospace/Ai/Robotics magnet that won’t do jack for the overcrowding.

That idea of Reid’s was horrible because it mainly serves White, Asian, and Indian students ignoring the underserved Black and Hispanic communities.

Michelle Reid is a racist Caucasiophile, Asiaphile and, Indophile, and I’m sick of her crap.

Who would be keeping black and Hispanic students out ? Can't they opt in too?

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I don’t want an Aviation/Aerospace/Ai/Robotics magnet that won’t do jack for the overcrowding.

That idea of Reid’s was horrible because it mainly serves White, Asian, and Indian students ignoring the underserved Black and Hispanic communities.

Michelle Reid is a racist Caucasiophile, Asiaphile and, Indophile, and I’m sick of her crap.

Who would be keeping black and Hispanic students out ? Can't they opt in too?

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Anonymous wrote:My kid spent his entire 6th grade in a trailer and both my high schoolers had a lot of trailer time at Chantilly too. I don't see any issue with out buildings. Better than a trailer.

The issue is it’s across a 4 lane dead end road.

You are really grasping at straws here. It literally goes to nothing but the school parking lot. What they should really do is repaint that bit of road to be more parking spaces. Then the only thing students will have to cross will be parking lot.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid spent his entire 6th grade in a trailer and both my high schoolers had a lot of trailer time at Chantilly too. I don't see any issue with out buildings. Better than a trailer.

The issue is it’s across a 4 lane dead end road.

Anonymous wrote:I have an idea, build classrooms and bathrooms up to the hallways, with collaborative learning pods in the hallways.

I don’t want an Aviation/Aerospace/Ai/Robotics magnet that won’t do jack for the overcrowding.

That idea of Reid’s was horrible because it mainly serves White, Asian, and Indian students ignoring the underserved Black and Hispanic communities.

Michelle Reid is a racist Caucasiophile, Asiaphile and, Indophile, and I’m sick of her crap.

Anonymous wrote:My kid spent his entire 6th grade in a trailer and both my high schoolers had a lot of trailer time at Chantilly too. I don't see any issue with out buildings. Better than a trailer.

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Anonymous wrote:The school has two out buildings that are not being used. They could 100% remodel those out building to provide the additional space needed while maintaining most of the interior of the current building. Put the library on one floor of an out building. Use space there for an English wing or foreign language space or a history space. They could renovate those buildings without disturbing the school during the year and make the spaces that they need for clasrooms.

+1 A little common sense goes a long, long way.

DP. I’m not sure that spending a lot of money on security vestibules and hyperventilating about getting kids out of trailers or modulars at other schools really aligns with kids attending regular classes in the current shell buildings at Western but we all define common sense differently.

Have you seen the area? It is almost a private road.

It’s not exactly gated so the point stands: you’ve got some School Board members acting like modulars are a crime to justify boundary changes while meanwhile Western kids may end up routinely leaving the main building to attend classes in separate, detached buildings. There’s no consistency, just expediency.

I attended school in California where there were open campuses and we walked outside to different buidlings. It was fine. There is a difference between trailers and modulars, that are not long term building, and a detached building. Walking outside to a building for class is no big deal. Using trailers and modulars that are set up on campus to handle over crowding is a different situation.

This is not California but from a safety perspective there is little difference between a modular and any other building detached from the main building.

No, in California they build open schools because they can and it is less expensive to build those buildings. The weather allows it. The safety issues are real because there are more pathways into the school. Is there a safety issue with walking from the building to a detached building or modular? Sure. Is it that big of a deal, no.

The metal detectors at FCPS are bypassed daily, kids are letting their friends in at different doors to get around the traffic jams created at the main door. The metal detectors are performance theatre and that is it. School shooting are scary but they are still a rare event. I am not worried about walking between buildings because of the threat of a school shooting or weather mainly because they are rare events and I attended an open school and know thousands of kids who attend open schools today who have been fine.

Western has two perfectly functional buildings that can easily be incorporated into the school. Kids walk to modulars and trailers every day without incident, I am not worried about kids walking to detached buildings that are better constructed then modulars and trailers.

I grew up in Massachusetts and our high school had several buildings. We went outside to change classes with almost every change. It isn’t just in California.

Well it’s not standard in Virginia.

Which of course means that it is wrong? Most kids in FCPS are going outside to go to modulars or trailers. My kids language class at Carson is in a trailer. He was in a trailer for a few years in ES. It's part of the reason they have been expanding schools and bought Western, there is no more space to add trailers at some schools. In this case, kids will be moving from one building to another and all of them should be in better shape then the trailers that they have been going to for their entire career. And it would be cheaper then doing major renovations to the school and less disruptive. It is a common sense solution.

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Anonymous wrote:The school has two out buildings that are not being used. They could 100% remodel those out building to provide the additional space needed while maintaining most of the interior of the current building. Put the library on one floor of an out building. Use space there for an English wing or foreign language space or a history space. They could renovate those buildings without disturbing the school during the year and make the spaces that they need for clasrooms.

+1 A little common sense goes a long, long way.

DP. I’m not sure that spending a lot of money on security vestibules and hyperventilating about getting kids out of trailers or modulars at other schools really aligns with kids attending regular classes in the current shell buildings at Western but we all define common sense differently.

Have you seen the area? It is almost a private road.

It’s not exactly gated so the point stands: you’ve got some School Board members acting like modulars are a crime to justify boundary changes while meanwhile Western kids may end up routinely leaving the main building to attend classes in separate, detached buildings. There’s no consistency, just expediency.

I attended school in California where there were open campuses and we walked outside to different buidlings. It was fine. There is a difference between trailers and modulars, that are not long term building, and a detached building. Walking outside to a building for class is no big deal. Using trailers and modulars that are set up on campus to handle over crowding is a different situation.

This is not California but from a safety perspective there is little difference between a modular and any other building detached from the main building.

No, in California they build open schools because they can and it is less expensive to build those buildings. The weather allows it. The safety issues are real because there are more pathways into the school. Is there a safety issue with walking from the building to a detached building or modular? Sure. Is it that big of a deal, no.

The metal detectors at FCPS are bypassed daily, kids are letting their friends in at different doors to get around the traffic jams created at the main door. The metal detectors are performance theatre and that is it. School shooting are scary but they are still a rare event. I am not worried about walking between buildings because of the threat of a school shooting or weather mainly because they are rare events and I attended an open school and know thousands of kids who attend open schools today who have been fine.

Western has two perfectly functional buildings that can easily be incorporated into the school. Kids walk to modulars and trailers every day without incident, I am not worried about kids walking to detached buildings that are better constructed then modulars and trailers.

I grew up in Massachusetts and our high school had several buildings. We went outside to change classes with almost every change. It isn’t just in California.

Well it’s not standard in Virginia.

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Anonymous wrote:The school has two out buildings that are not being used. They could 100% remodel those out building to provide the additional space needed while maintaining most of the interior of the current building. Put the library on one floor of an out building. Use space there for an English wing or foreign language space or a history space. They could renovate those buildings without disturbing the school during the year and make the spaces that they need for clasrooms.

+1 A little common sense goes a long, long way.

DP. I’m not sure that spending a lot of money on security vestibules and hyperventilating about getting kids out of trailers or modulars at other schools really aligns with kids attending regular classes in the current shell buildings at Western but we all define common sense differently.

Have you seen the area? It is almost a private road.

It’s not exactly gated so the point stands: you’ve got some School Board members acting like modulars are a crime to justify boundary changes while meanwhile Western kids may end up routinely leaving the main building to attend classes in separate, detached buildings. There’s no consistency, just expediency.

I attended school in California where there were open campuses and we walked outside to different buidlings. It was fine. There is a difference between trailers and modulars, that are not long term building, and a detached building. Walking outside to a building for class is no big deal. Using trailers and modulars that are set up on campus to handle over crowding is a different situation.

This is not California but from a safety perspective there is little difference between a modular and any other building detached from the main building.

No, in California they build open schools because they can and it is less expensive to build those buildings. The weather allows it. The safety issues are real because there are more pathways into the school. Is there a safety issue with walking from the building to a detached building or modular? Sure. Is it that big of a deal, no.

The metal detectors at FCPS are bypassed daily, kids are letting their friends in at different doors to get around the traffic jams created at the main door. The metal detectors are performance theatre and that is it. School shooting are scary but they are still a rare event. I am not worried about walking between buildings because of the threat of a school shooting or weather mainly because they are rare events and I attended an open school and know thousands of kids who attend open schools today who have been fine.

Western has two perfectly functional buildings that can easily be incorporated into the school. Kids walk to modulars and trailers every day without incident, I am not worried about kids walking to detached buildings that are better constructed then modulars and trailers.

I grew up in Massachusetts and our high school had several buildings. We went outside to change classes with almost every change. It isn’t just in California.

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Anonymous wrote:The school has two out buildings that are not being used. They could 100% remodel those out building to provide the additional space needed while maintaining most of the interior of the current building. Put the library on one floor of an out building. Use space there for an English wing or foreign language space or a history space. They could renovate those buildings without disturbing the school during the year and make the spaces that they need for clasrooms.

+1 A little common sense goes a long, long way.

DP. I’m not sure that spending a lot of money on security vestibules and hyperventilating about getting kids out of trailers or modulars at other schools really aligns with kids attending regular classes in the current shell buildings at Western but we all define common sense differently.

Have you seen the area? It is almost a private road.

It’s not exactly gated so the point stands: you’ve got some School Board members acting like modulars are a crime to justify boundary changes while meanwhile Western kids may end up routinely leaving the main building to attend classes in separate, detached buildings. There’s no consistency, just expediency.

I attended school in California where there were open campuses and we walked outside to different buidlings. It was fine. There is a difference between trailers and modulars, that are not long term building, and a detached building. Walking outside to a building for class is no big deal. Using trailers and modulars that are set up on campus to handle over crowding is a different situation.

This is not California but from a safety perspective there is little difference between a modular and any other building detached from the main building.

No, in California they build open schools because they can and it is less expensive to build those buildings. The weather allows it. The safety issues are real because there are more pathways into the school. Is there a safety issue with walking from the building to a detached building or modular? Sure. Is it that big of a deal, no.

The metal detectors at FCPS are bypassed daily, kids are letting their friends in at different doors to get around the traffic jams created at the main door. The metal detectors are performance theatre and that is it. School shooting are scary but they are still a rare event. I am not worried about walking between buildings because of the threat of a school shooting or weather mainly because they are rare events and I attended an open school and know thousands of kids who attend open schools today who have been fine.

Western has two perfectly functional buildings that can easily be incorporated into the school. Kids walk to modulars and trailers every day without incident, I am not worried about kids walking to detached buildings that are better constructed then modulars and trailers.