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Anonymous wrote:I don’t. Because it not optimal and is inflammatory. Plant proteins are better sources. It’s a personal choice, though, I don’t care if others want to.

The volume of food you must eat to get 145g of protein (which is the amount recommended for someone my age, height, and weight) on a plant based diet is too much. I can’t eat that much. It’s easier to hit recommended protein goals with lean meats.

Americans are obsessed with protein. They’re not one with cholesterol or heart health, unfortunately.

https://www.uclahealth.org/news/article/is-plant-based-protein-for-you-heres-what-you-need-to-know

You weigh 362.5 pounds???

.36 g per pound of body weight, possibly more (but research is not conclusive) for people over 70

Easy to do with grain and beans. You do not have to eat 20 pounds of broccoli.

I aim for .75 to 1g of protein per pound since I lift 5 days a week. You eat your grains and beans if you want, I’ll stick with chicken and salmon.

Anonymous wrote:Only one word is needed to justify eating meat ...


BACON!!!!

Well, ribs. What about ribs?

Anonymous wrote:Only one word is needed to justify eating meat ...


BACON!!!!

Here piggy, piggy, piggy. Here piggy, piggy, piggy. 🐖=🥓🥓🥓=😋

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

It's delicious and nutritious. What exactly is your question?

Is the taste and nutrition of it justified when it ends someone else’s life? There are plenty of other options for delicious and nutritious food.

Harvesting wheat for flour kills the wheat. It's brutal. Mows them down with a heartless combine. I can hear the screaming from the fields.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

It's delicious and nutritious. What exactly is your question?

Is the taste and nutrition of it justified when it ends someone else’s life? There are plenty of other options for delicious and nutritious food.

Someone else? Anthropomorphic much? And there's nothing as delicious as meat. To prove my point, there's no artificial artichoke or carrots made from meat. Yet there's artificial meat made from soybeans and peas. Why would a vegetarian want to eat fake meat if it weren't inherently more delicious?

Is an animal more of a someone or a something? It’s not a thing. It’s a living being. We’re all animals at the end of the day.

I’m not denying that meat tastes good. I’m asking if you think it’s ethically justified to kill an animal because you think its flesh tastes good?

How is this political?

Up to 4 or 5 years ago, I ate a lot of meat. I changed my diet after calculating my carbon foot print and discovering, to my surprise, that a significant % of my total emissions was associated with my meat-heavy diet. Since then, I've eliminated beef and chicken from my diet. I eat fish about once a week. Not only is my CO2 footprint smaller, but I still enjoy my meals. There are plenty of tasty, non-meat options.

In regard to the morality of killing animals for food, we are insulated from this in our daily lives. We pick up the package of beef or chicken in the grocery store, and never come face-to-face with our food source in living form. This makes it easy to avoid dwelling on the issue too deeply. If we took a tour of a beef or chicken processing plant, we might afterwards have a significantly reduced desire for meat.

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate this post. Long time (mostly) vegetarian trying to go vegan.

10 billion animals are killed to feed US consumers every year. 10 Billion. More than 90% are chicken.

It’s outrageous and so profoundly cruel.

Good. Now count all the animals that was killed in Africa and report back.

Only one word is needed to justify eating meat ...


BACON!!!!

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate this post. Long time (mostly) vegetarian trying to go vegan.

10 billion animals are killed to feed US consumers every year. 10 Billion. More than 90% are chicken.

It’s outrageous and so profoundly cruel.

You just don't like meat, that's fine, but it doesn't make morally superior. People such as myself who eat supreme pizzas with precisely the ratio of onions, peppers, tomatoes and beef or pork are morally superior. We are able to use all that poorly arable land in the north and preserve the land in the tropics.

Life is good as a dairy cow. Cruelty is not a feature of the industry. It just isn't. That isn't what it's about. That is what you project on it. Which is quite frankly unethical. Want vegetables only, fine don't make us eat them too.

Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

I really can't but supposedly I need animal protein to keep a couple of my conditions in check. We mainly eat chicken, some fish, and I eat beef occasionally when we go out. Every time I try a plant-based meal, I'm struggling the next day.

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate this post. Long time (mostly) vegetarian trying to go vegan.

10 billion animals are killed to feed US consumers every year. 10 Billion. More than 90% are chicken.

It’s outrageous and so profoundly cruel.

300 million acres of land are harvested annually to feed vegetarians and vegans like you.
Aren't you ashamed to know that the living plants on that land are brutally killed to feed you?

It's outrageous and so profoundly cruel. Living as a plant in this world is so though.

If people went vegan and there was no more need for domestic animals, most would go extinct.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you my sister? I KNEW becoming a vegan would make you insufferable, lol.

Oh, please. Give me a break. It’s not the vegans or vegetarians. Go on any animal welfare or vegan board on the Internet and you have the stupid meat eating trolls coming on there and Harassing people.

I’ve been grilled 100 times over about “why don’t you eat meat “or “I could never eat meat.” Arguing it with me. So that old trope is tired and really not how it is.

If you, like the other people on this board, want to ignorantly go around not caring where your food comes from or caring about the effect it has on the environment and those animals, that’s your morality to deal with. But don’t for one minute think that your position is the superior one. It’s the ignorant one, for sure. And it is not rooted in the Bible.

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate this post. Long time (mostly) vegetarian trying to go vegan.

10 billion animals are killed to feed US consumers every year. 10 Billion. More than 90% are chicken.

It’s outrageous and so profoundly cruel.

What also is cruel is nature. Harvesting plants for food requires more death to animals via pesticides. That’s cruel too. Eating meat is neither good nor bad. It’s natural. Our Teeth can literally puncture wounds into human flesh. Our teeth are designed to tear meat not leaves!

I appreciate this post. Long time (mostly) vegetarian trying to go vegan.

10 billion animals are killed to feed US consumers every year. 10 Billion. More than 90% are chicken.

It’s outrageous and so profoundly cruel.

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Anonymous wrote:A vegan diet isn't necessarily more ethical than a carnivore diet. Stop deceiving yourselves.

Please explain yourself.

Both diets are about killing living beings and consuming them. Plants actually experience more suffering than animals do.