Anonymous wrote:The thing that really makes me laugh is that those who “travel” here all go to the same tired destinations and spend tons (miles or points or cash or whatever) to do it. We have been to all the big places, but now focus on really affordable out of the way places that are certainly more enjoyable and cheaper than even daily life in the USA. And they’re not filled with the mindless Instagram or DCUM UMC wannabe crowd.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing that really makes me laugh is that those who “travel” here all go to the same tired destinations and spend tons (miles or points or cash or whatever) to do it. We have been to all the big places, but now focus on really affordable out of the way places that are certainly more enjoyable and cheaper than even daily life in the USA. And they’re not filled with the mindless Instagram or DCUM UMC wannabe crowd.

I was wondering when the condescending “I’ve already been to all these places so now they are passé” poster would show up!

So you enjoyed them but no one else should?

PP here. Not necessarily. But there is a huge difference between what these places were like 30 years vs 10 years ago (not that much different) and 10 years ago vs now (completely different). I blame the social media. Either way, so many places are just no go now.

Idk what to mean. I’ve been going to London since 1993. I’ve been there probably upwards of 20 times now for work and play. It was lovely then and it is lovely now. If you can’t find things to enjoy in London, the problem is not London.

NP. Yes and no. There's been a lot of changes in the past 30 years. Demographic change in London is real, the British talk about it all the time, even in their papers. There's still the fun things to do but the personality of London today isn't what it was, so I don't feel drawn to London any more especially after I've already seen all the sights many times over. And mass tourism has also changed the travel experience. I used to walk into the major museums and often have them mostly to myself, but now you need queues and tickets and slotted times.

I still travel but the world has changed, tourism has changed, I'm getting older. I like the quieter out of way places now.

Covid did this, not mass tourism. And if you cared to look beyond major museums, you can walk into the Leighton House or Bletchley Park today and have the place to yourself.

Without the demographic change to would not have ottolenghi or dishooom or the wonders of edgware road. Or the glamor of Mayfair! One gets tired of the fish and chips you know.

Anonymous wrote:The thing that really makes me laugh is that those who “travel” here all go to the same tired destinations and spend tons (miles or points or cash or whatever) to do it. We have been to all the big places, but now focus on really affordable out of the way places that are certainly more enjoyable and cheaper than even daily life in the USA. And they’re not filled with the mindless Instagram or DCUM UMC wannabe crowd.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing that really makes me laugh is that those who “travel” here all go to the same tired destinations and spend tons (miles or points or cash or whatever) to do it. We have been to all the big places, but now focus on really affordable out of the way places that are certainly more enjoyable and cheaper than even daily life in the USA. And they’re not filled with the mindless Instagram or DCUM UMC wannabe crowd.

I was wondering when the condescending “I’ve already been to all these places so now they are passé” poster would show up!

So you enjoyed them but no one else should?

PP here. Not necessarily. But there is a huge difference between what these places were like 30 years vs 10 years ago (not that much different) and 10 years ago vs now (completely different). I blame the social media. Either way, so many places are just no go now.

Idk what to mean. I’ve been going to London since 1993. I’ve been there probably upwards of 20 times now for work and play. It was lovely then and it is lovely now. If you can’t find things to enjoy in London, the problem is not London.

NP. Yes and no. There's been a lot of changes in the past 30 years. Demographic change in London is real, the British talk about it all the time, even in their papers. There's still the fun things to do but the personality of London today isn't what it was, so I don't feel drawn to London any more especially after I've already seen all the sights many times over. And mass tourism has also changed the travel experience. I used to walk into the major museums and often have them mostly to myself, but now you need queues and tickets and slotted times.

I still travel but the world has changed, tourism has changed, I'm getting older. I like the quieter out of way places now.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing that really makes me laugh is that those who “travel” here all go to the same tired destinations and spend tons (miles or points or cash or whatever) to do it. We have been to all the big places, but now focus on really affordable out of the way places that are certainly more enjoyable and cheaper than even daily life in the USA. And they’re not filled with the mindless Instagram or DCUM UMC wannabe crowd.

I was wondering when the condescending “I’ve already been to all these places so now they are passé” poster would show up!

So you enjoyed them but no one else should?

PP here. Not necessarily. But there is a huge difference between what these places were like 30 years vs 10 years ago (not that much different) and 10 years ago vs now (completely different). I blame the social media. Either way, so many places are just no go now.

Idk what to mean. I’ve been going to London since 1993. I’ve been there probably upwards of 20 times now for work and play. It was lovely then and it is lovely now. If you can’t find things to enjoy in London, the problem is not London.

NP. Yes and no. There's been a lot of changes in the past 30 years. Demographic change in London is real, the British talk about it all the time, even in their papers. There's still the fun things to do but the personality of London today isn't what it was, so I don't feel drawn to London any more especially after I've already seen all the sights many times over. And mass tourism has also changed the travel experience. I used to walk into the major museums and often have them mostly to myself, but now you need queues and tickets and slotted times.

I still travel but the world has changed, tourism has changed, I'm getting older. I like the quieter out of way places now.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing that really makes me laugh is that those who “travel” here all go to the same tired destinations and spend tons (miles or points or cash or whatever) to do it. We have been to all the big places, but now focus on really affordable out of the way places that are certainly more enjoyable and cheaper than even daily life in the USA. And they’re not filled with the mindless Instagram or DCUM UMC wannabe crowd.

I was wondering when the condescending “I’ve already been to all these places so now they are passé” poster would show up!

So you enjoyed them but no one else should?

PP here. Not necessarily. But there is a huge difference between what these places were like 30 years vs 10 years ago (not that much different) and 10 years ago vs now (completely different). I blame the social media. Either way, so many places are just no go now.

Idk what to mean. I’ve been going to London since 1993. I’ve been there probably upwards of 20 times now for work and play. It was lovely then and it is lovely now. If you can’t find things to enjoy in London, the problem is not London.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing that really makes me laugh is that those who “travel” here all go to the same tired destinations and spend tons (miles or points or cash or whatever) to do it. We have been to all the big places, but now focus on really affordable out of the way places that are certainly more enjoyable and cheaper than even daily life in the USA. And they’re not filled with the mindless Instagram or DCUM UMC wannabe crowd.

I was wondering when the condescending “I’ve already been to all these places so now they are passé” poster would show up!

So you enjoyed them but no one else should?

PP here. Not necessarily. But there is a huge difference between what these places were like 30 years vs 10 years ago (not that much different) and 10 years ago vs now (completely different). I blame the social media. Either way, so many places are just no go now.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing that really makes me laugh is that those who “travel” here all go to the same tired destinations and spend tons (miles or points or cash or whatever) to do it. We have been to all the big places, but now focus on really affordable out of the way places that are certainly more enjoyable and cheaper than even daily life in the USA. And they’re not filled with the mindless Instagram or DCUM UMC wannabe crowd.

I was wondering when the condescending “I’ve already been to all these places so now they are passé” poster would show up!

So you enjoyed them but no one else should?

PP here. Not necessarily. But there is a huge difference between what these places were like 30 years vs 10 years ago (not that much different) and 10 years ago vs now (completely different). I blame the social media. Either way, so many places are just no go now.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re another family making a bit under $2K but tend to drive old cars, no Starbucks, don’t eat out much, etc. Most of our family travel is driving a few hundred miles and staying with family. And we do a lot of cheap trips.

For example, our beach trip most years is camping at Assateague for a couple of nights, while eating sandwiches and hot dogs cooked over the fire. We once did a 5 day trip to Toronto, Niagara Falls & surrounding areas for less than $1,500 for 4 people including everything down to snacks and parking cost. We take the train to NYC at a non-peak time, booking hotel & train tickets months ahead, which saves a lot of money.

That said, every few years we do a bigger trip (out west or overseas). But we still do it on a budget as much as possible.

Most people who aren’t living in poverty/are financially stable could afford to travel a little, even if it’s camping or one night in a cheap hotel, if they prioritize it. The choices aren’t spend $15K for two weeks in Europe, or stay home.

This is the way. In the DC area there are so many cheap destinations that just take the tiniest bit of planning (like cheap train to NYC). Plus with kids, they will have just as much fun camping as in Europe.

Probably more fun than Europe for many kids. I remember a trip to Italy when I was a kid. In retrospect I was lucky to go, but it didn't seem so at the time. I remember being taken to many museums were there were painting after painting of the crucifixion. I remember thinking that if I see one more painting of the crucifixion I might volunteer to be nailed up there myself.

Pretty sure my favorite trip with my kid was Ocean City off season … it was so weird and yet relaxing and surprisingly decent food.

Anonymous wrote:The thing that really makes me laugh is that those who “travel” here all go to the same tired destinations and spend tons (miles or points or cash or whatever) to do it. We have been to all the big places, but now focus on really affordable out of the way places that are certainly more enjoyable and cheaper than even daily life in the USA. And they’re not filled with the mindless Instagram or DCUM UMC wannabe crowd.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re another family making a bit under $2K but tend to drive old cars, no Starbucks, don’t eat out much, etc. Most of our family travel is driving a few hundred miles and staying with family. And we do a lot of cheap trips.

For example, our beach trip most years is camping at Assateague for a couple of nights, while eating sandwiches and hot dogs cooked over the fire. We once did a 5 day trip to Toronto, Niagara Falls & surrounding areas for less than $1,500 for 4 people including everything down to snacks and parking cost. We take the train to NYC at a non-peak time, booking hotel & train tickets months ahead, which saves a lot of money.

That said, every few years we do a bigger trip (out west or overseas). But we still do it on a budget as much as possible.

Most people who aren’t living in poverty/are financially stable could afford to travel a little, even if it’s camping or one night in a cheap hotel, if they prioritize it. The choices aren’t spend $15K for two weeks in Europe, or stay home.

This is the way. In the DC area there are so many cheap destinations that just take the tiniest bit of planning (like cheap train to NYC). Plus with kids, they will have just as much fun camping as in Europe.

Probably more fun than Europe for many kids. I remember a trip to Italy when I was a kid. In retrospect I was lucky to go, but it didn't seem so at the time. I remember being taken to many museums were there were painting after painting of the crucifixion. I remember thinking that if I see one more painting of the crucifixion I might volunteer to be nailed up there myself.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re another family making a bit under $2K but tend to drive old cars, no Starbucks, don’t eat out much, etc. Most of our family travel is driving a few hundred miles and staying with family. And we do a lot of cheap trips.

For example, our beach trip most years is camping at Assateague for a couple of nights, while eating sandwiches and hot dogs cooked over the fire. We once did a 5 day trip to Toronto, Niagara Falls & surrounding areas for less than $1,500 for 4 people including everything down to snacks and parking cost. We take the train to NYC at a non-peak time, booking hotel & train tickets months ahead, which saves a lot of money.

That said, every few years we do a bigger trip (out west or overseas). But we still do it on a budget as much as possible.

Most people who aren’t living in poverty/are financially stable could afford to travel a little, even if it’s camping or one night in a cheap hotel, if they prioritize it. The choices aren’t spend $15K for two weeks in Europe, or stay home.

This is the way. In the DC area there are so many cheap destinations that just take the tiniest bit of planning (like cheap train to NYC). Plus with kids, they will have just as much fun camping as in Europe.

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Anonymous wrote:Growing up, it blows my mind when I had peers that have been to places like Japan or Italy. I know plenty of people who make six figures who can’t even afford to travel to Las Vegas. Most companies have cut funding for business travel because it’s expensive to pay for flights and hotels. If you have a family in any major city, I don’t know how on earth you can afford a house and kids and still be able to travel on top of that.

We live in a condo and before that rented so we could prioritize travel for our kids.

Where have typo taken them? Anywhere worth living in a small condo?