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Anonymous wrote:And why do you think recruitment is down??

Millions of entitled NYC liberals with YouTube University law degrees that turn even the simplest interaction into a Supreme Court case?

Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.
2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am
3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)
4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)
5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there
6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests
I think those are roughly in order of importance but the pit thing maybe should be higher on the list.

Now pour gas on that fire with an anti-cop mayor that’s on the record saying police are corrupt, racist homophobes.

Mamdani will need to nail some NYPD pelts to his office wall to appease the Democratic Socialist Party.

Please. You think cops haven’t heard criticism before? Mamdani’s election will not move the needle, and anyone saying that is peddling in fake news

I’m a progressive that also knows a fair number of cops. I think it will move the needle on the margins. Unfortunately, I think it’s often the good cops who leave because they are the ones that care what people think about them and didn’t join the force to feel like an a-hole. The bad cops actually relish this stuff because they joined not to serve their community but because they wanted a badge and a gun and they enjoy playing the axxhole. I think the only real answer is culture shift within the department where the good cops feel empowered to speak out about the bad ones. In my experience, the good cops HATE working with the bad ones — both because they are jerks but also because they know that those are the guys most likely to create a situation where they end up on trial. But with staffing and recruiting so low, it’s increasingly hard to weed out the bad apples. I’ve had a number of cops tell me that the new recruits coming in are much worse than they were 15-20 years ago but they can’t bounce them all in training — they’d end up with no one.
It’s also my experience that the good cops are nervous when they feel they don’t have administration support because they are all worried about a DA wanting to make a name for themselves going after cops. If you recall the Baltimore indictments relating to the guy who died after he wasn’t belted into the van—some cops told me that it’s common not to belt arrested people who are belligerent because if you lean over them to belt them in, they are likely to either headbutt you or bite you in the face or neck. They really are in a tough position dealing with some of the very violent and crazy or strung out people. I have heard from some cops that they’ve been pleasantly surprised by some of the civilian review boards because once actual citizens hear the facts, they are often sympathetic — unlike some DAs that are just looking to make a name.
Anyway I think this stuff is all tremendously complicated and the polarization and demonization of both sides really doesn’t serve the interests of the community.

Cops are not leaving because the work is hard. There’s less crime in Ny now than 30 years ago. They’re leaving because they’re barely making any more then a cab driver or UPS driver

They can lateral to surrounding departments and immediately make more money while also shedding the specter of Democratic Socialism.

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Anonymous wrote:Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.

Disrespect for police is largely party specific. Many people think they know the law better than the officer they brought into their life. They don’t. They complain. They threaten to sue.

Black people have much weightier issues to contend with than a relative becoming a police officer. I think a majority of Black people would prefer more Black officers.

Anonymous wrote:2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am

Well done parents, you’ve raised real winners. Soft, soft, soft.

Anonymous wrote:3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)

Line of duty deaths are down 44% vs. last year. Tragically one NYPD officer lost his life this year.

https://www.odmp.org/

Anonymous wrote:4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)

This is a clear and present danger to officers, especially in liberal jurisdictions quick to persecute officers, like NYC with an anti-cop mayor.

Anonymous wrote: 5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there

I’m in my late forties. I’m operating under the assumption there will be no Social Security for me. A pension would be glorious. If parents aren’t educating their young adults about the value of all retirement vehicles they’re doing them a disservice.

Anonymous wrote:6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests

Departments have already lowered the threshold for past marijuana use. If your young adult can’t pass a background check, or drug test, you have failed as a parent.

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Anonymous wrote:And why do you think recruitment is down??

Millions of entitled NYC liberals with YouTube University law degrees that turn even the simplest interaction into a Supreme Court case?

Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.
2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am
3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)
4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)
5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there
6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests
I think those are roughly in order of importance but the pit thing maybe should be higher on the list.

Now pour gas on that fire with an anti-cop mayor that’s on the record saying police are corrupt, racist homophobes.

Mamdani will need to nail some NYPD pelts to his office wall to appease the Democratic Socialist Party.

Please. You think cops haven’t heard criticism before? Mamdani’s election will not move the needle, and anyone saying that is peddling in fake news

I’m a progressive that also knows a fair number of cops. I think it will move the needle on the margins. Unfortunately, I think it’s often the good cops who leave because they are the ones that care what people think about them and didn’t join the force to feel like an a-hole. The bad cops actually relish this stuff because they joined not to serve their community but because they wanted a badge and a gun and they enjoy playing the axxhole. I think the only real answer is culture shift within the department where the good cops feel empowered to speak out about the bad ones. In my experience, the good cops HATE working with the bad ones — both because they are jerks but also because they know that those are the guys most likely to create a situation where they end up on trial. But with staffing and recruiting so low, it’s increasingly hard to weed out the bad apples. I’ve had a number of cops tell me that the new recruits coming in are much worse than they were 15-20 years ago but they can’t bounce them all in training — they’d end up with no one.
It’s also my experience that the good cops are nervous when they feel they don’t have administration support because they are all worried about a DA wanting to make a name for themselves going after cops. If you recall the Baltimore indictments relating to the guy who died after he wasn’t belted into the van—some cops told me that it’s common not to belt arrested people who are belligerent because if you lean over them to belt them in, they are likely to either headbutt you or bite you in the face or neck. They really are in a tough position dealing with some of the very violent and crazy or strung out people. I have heard from some cops that they’ve been pleasantly surprised by some of the civilian review boards because once actual citizens hear the facts, they are often sympathetic — unlike some DAs that are just looking to make a name.
Anyway I think this stuff is all tremendously complicated and the polarization and demonization of both sides really doesn’t serve the interests of the community.

Cops are not leaving because the work is hard. There’s less crime in Ny now than 30 years ago. They’re leaving because they’re barely making any more then a cab driver or UPS driver

Anonymous wrote:Or he could checkmate a governor that doesn't want to be a lame duck.

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Anonymous wrote:Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.

Disrespect for police is largely party specific. Many people think they know the law better than the officer they brought into their life. They don’t. They complain. They threaten to sue.

Black people have much weightier issues to contend with than a relative becoming a police officer. I think a majority of Black people would prefer more Black officers.

Anonymous wrote:2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am

Well done parents, you’ve raised real winners. Soft, soft, soft.

Anonymous wrote:3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)

Line of duty deaths are down 44% vs. last year. Tragically one NYPD officer lost his life this year.

https://www.odmp.org/

Anonymous wrote:4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)

This is a clear and present danger to officers, especially in liberal jurisdictions quick to persecute officers, like NYC with an anti-cop mayor.

Anonymous wrote: 5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there

I’m in my late forties. I’m operating under the assumption there will be no Social Security for me. A pension would be glorious. If parents aren’t educating their young adults about the value of all retirement vehicles they’re doing them a disservice.

Anonymous wrote:6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests

Departments have already lowered the threshold for past marijuana use. If your young adult can’t pass a background check, or drug test, you have failed as a parent.

Many people can’t afford to start a 401k even if they know they need one. their take home pay is barely enough to pay for rent , food, and credit card bills/debt. They have to choose between health insurance or a 401k.


The entire system is awful and that’s why Mamdani won.

What can Mamdani possibly do to make a difference here? The system dwarfs Mamdani. When he can’t deliver “tax the rich,” socialized grocery stores and other conceptual reaches he’ll need to take funds away from the NYPD to appease his delusional constituents.

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Anonymous wrote:And why do you think recruitment is down??

Millions of entitled NYC liberals with YouTube University law degrees that turn even the simplest interaction into a Supreme Court case?

Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.
2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am
3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)
4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)
5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there
6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests
I think those are roughly in order of importance but the pit thing maybe should be higher on the list.

Now pour gas on that fire with an anti-cop mayor that’s on the record saying police are corrupt, racist homophobes.

Mamdani will need to nail some NYPD pelts to his office wall to appease the Democratic Socialist Party.

Please. You think cops haven’t heard criticism before? Mamdani’s election will not move the needle, and anyone saying that is peddling in fake news

I’m a progressive that also knows a fair number of cops. I think it will move the needle on the margins. Unfortunately, I think it’s often the good cops who leave because they are the ones that care what people think about them and didn’t join the force to feel like an a-hole. The bad cops actually relish this stuff because they joined not to serve their community but because they wanted a badge and a gun and they enjoy playing the axxhole. I think the only real answer is culture shift within the department where the good cops feel empowered to speak out about the bad ones. In my experience, the good cops HATE working with the bad ones — both because they are jerks but also because they know that those are the guys most likely to create a situation where they end up on trial. But with staffing and recruiting so low, it’s increasingly hard to weed out the bad apples. I’ve had a number of cops tell me that the new recruits coming in are much worse than they were 15-20 years ago but they can’t bounce them all in training — they’d end up with no one.
It’s also my experience that the good cops are nervous when they feel they don’t have administration support because they are all worried about a DA wanting to make a name for themselves going after cops. If you recall the Baltimore indictments relating to the guy who died after he wasn’t belted into the van—some cops told me that it’s common not to belt arrested people who are belligerent because if you lean over them to belt them in, they are likely to either headbutt you or bite you in the face or neck. They really are in a tough position dealing with some of the very violent and crazy or strung out people. I have heard from some cops that they’ve been pleasantly surprised by some of the civilian review boards because once actual citizens hear the facts, they are often sympathetic — unlike some DAs that are just looking to make a name.
Anyway I think this stuff is all tremendously complicated and the polarization and demonization of both sides really doesn’t serve the interests of the community.

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Anonymous wrote:Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.

Disrespect for police is largely party specific. Many people think they know the law better than the officer they brought into their life. They don’t. They complain. They threaten to sue.

Black people have much weightier issues to contend with than a relative becoming a police officer. I think a majority of Black people would prefer more Black officers.

Anonymous wrote:2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am

Well done parents, you’ve raised real winners. Soft, soft, soft.

Anonymous wrote:3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)

Line of duty deaths are down 44% vs. last year. Tragically one NYPD officer lost his life this year.

https://www.odmp.org/

Anonymous wrote:4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)

This is a clear and present danger to officers, especially in liberal jurisdictions quick to persecute officers, like NYC with an anti-cop mayor.

Anonymous wrote: 5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there

I’m in my late forties. I’m operating under the assumption there will be no Social Security for me. A pension would be glorious. If parents aren’t educating their young adults about the value of all retirement vehicles they’re doing them a disservice.

Anonymous wrote:6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests

Departments have already lowered the threshold for past marijuana use. If your young adult can’t pass a background check, or drug test, you have failed as a parent.

Many people can’t afford to start a 401k even if they know they need one. their take home pay is barely enough to pay for rent , food, and credit card bills/debt. They have to choose between health insurance or a 401k.


The entire system is awful and that’s why Mamdani won.

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Anonymous wrote:On LinkedIn, ICE has a hiring ad directed to NYPD officers.

Florida is targeting NYPD cops. What will happen is the best cops will leave NYC, only those close to pensions or those with lower qualifications will stay.

You’d have to really hate yourself to apply as an NYPD cop given how the city keeps getting worse.

Actual New Yorker here. NYC is a very pricey place to live. That’s the issue. Not the mayor. Mamdani seeks to address affordability which a lot of cops want. He made some ill informed blanket statement in the past about cops, but thankfully is smart enough to grow and show he can change. His initiative to relieve cops of many mental health calls is appreciated by cops. He also showed up at that slain cops memorial service (the one shot by the football player with CTE). You don’t think hundreds of NYPD weren’t there and moved by it? You underestimate them.

Btw the force is extremely diverse now. A lot of people on this chain seem to be focused on old fashioned tropes

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Anonymous wrote:And why do you think recruitment is down??

Millions of entitled NYC liberals with YouTube University law degrees that turn even the simplest interaction into a Supreme Court case?

Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.
2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am
3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)
4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)
5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there
6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests
I think those are roughly in order of importance but the pit thing maybe should be higher on the list.

Now pour gas on that fire with an anti-cop mayor that’s on the record saying police are corrupt, racist homophobes.

Mamdani will need to nail some NYPD pelts to his office wall to appease the Democratic Socialist Party.

Please. You think cops haven’t heard criticism before? Mamdani’s election will not move the needle, and anyone saying that is peddling in fake news

Time will tell. I think NYC will be worse off next Thanksgiving than it is today. Governor Hochul runs NY and much of Mamdani’s agenda depends on her approval.

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Anonymous wrote:Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.

Disrespect for police is largely party specific. Many people think they know the law better than the officer they brought into their life. They don’t. They complain. They threaten to sue.

Black people have much weightier issues to contend with than a relative becoming a police officer. I think a majority of Black people would prefer more Black officers.

Anonymous wrote:2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am

Well done parents, you’ve raised real winners. Soft, soft, soft.

Anonymous wrote:3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)

Line of duty deaths are down 44% vs. last year. Tragically one NYPD officer lost his life this year.

https://www.odmp.org/

Anonymous wrote:4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)

This is a clear and present danger to officers, especially in liberal jurisdictions quick to persecute officers, like NYC with an anti-cop mayor.

Anonymous wrote: 5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there

I’m in my late forties. I’m operating under the assumption there will be no Social Security for me. A pension would be glorious. If parents aren’t educating their young adults about the value of all retirement vehicles they’re doing them a disservice.

Anonymous wrote:6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests

Departments have already lowered the threshold for past marijuana use. If your young adult can’t pass a background check, or drug test, you have failed as a parent.

Anonymous wrote:We need to Abolish Ice. And abolish NYPD along with them.

SAY NO TO ALL FASCISM !!

Anonymous wrote:With an understaffed NYPD and a neophyte mayor, why wouldn’t a terrorist organization attack NYC? It would further destabilize America. The 25th anniversary of 9/11 is in 2026. Terrorists play the long game, the Islamic jihad is ongoing. You can’t social media your way out of a crisis.

Anonymous wrote:Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.

Anonymous wrote:2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am

Anonymous wrote:3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)

Anonymous wrote:4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)

Anonymous wrote: 5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there

Anonymous wrote:6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests

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Anonymous wrote:And why do you think recruitment is down??

Millions of entitled NYC liberals with YouTube University law degrees that turn even the simplest interaction into a Supreme Court case?

Recruiting is significantly down in every city. Reasons:
1) declining public respect for an support for cops. Blacks in particular get a lot of crap from relatives and friends for joining the force and since the force has historically drawn from working class families, that’s a problem.
2) most young people don’t want a job where they need to show up in person at 7 am
3) it seems increasingly dangerous given our total lack of gun control and the fact that criminals are armed with paramilitary weapons, plus the mental health issues that cops are supposed to deal with (which do very often result in assaults on officers)
4) risk of prosecution if you make a mistake (see those cops in dc prosecuted for chasing a guy who got hit by a car)
5) the pension used to be the huge drawn but young people today don’t think about pensions or understand the value or trust they wil be there
6) lots of young people can’t pass the background checks and don’t want to commit to never smoking pot and having to take drug tests
I think those are roughly in order of importance but the pit thing maybe should be higher on the list.

Now pour gas on that fire with an anti-cop mayor that’s on the record saying police are corrupt, racist homophobes.

Mamdani will need to nail some NYPD pelts to his office wall to appease the Democratic Socialist Party.

Please. You think cops haven’t heard criticism before? Mamdani’s election will not move the needle, and anyone saying that is peddling in fake news

Time will tell. I think NYC will be worse off next Thanksgiving than it is today. Governor Hochul runs NY and much of Mamdani’s agenda depends on her approval.