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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m a deeply disillusioned lifelong Democrat who basically despises the entire Democratic party now, but cannot stomach voting Republican. It’s stuff like this that is why. It’s just too endemic in the Republican party.

Same, very frustrated with Democrats, but I cannot stomach how the Republican party overlooks this stuff with "whataboutism." As a woman, also cannot stomach how they embrace Christian nationalists like Hesgeth or Kirk who use the bible as an excuse for viewing women as subservient.

PP here. I agree, though truthfully I don’t think that the Democrats are better as far as viewing women as subservient. They just use different language.

But these texts are consistent with the whataboutism language of Republicans (they just dismiss it) and it’s revolting. The lack of concern is horrible.

2 of the last three nominees for president were women.
Pro-choice so women can manage their own bodies
Pro child care, so women who want to, can partake in the work place
Pro-equal pay, so women and men earn the same salary for the same work

I could go on, but really not sure how you get to the bolded.

This is off topic for this thread, and you can start a different thread if you are truly interested, but one of the absolutely most distasteful aspects of the modern Democratic Party is that the narrow world view they prescribe and hold is so dogmatic and quasi-religious in nature that they cannot conceive of disagreement. I am an extremely reluctant Democrat voter who believes that Democrats are as much male supremacists as the Republicans. And I am not the only one.

But getting back on track, I can’t vote for Republicans so long as this nonsense is a key part of their party, and it is. It is a bridge too far. So of the awful choices, it is the Democrats at this point.

Did you vote for him in November because it was a bridge too far even then. WE knew what MAGA and dumpy stood for. None of this shocks most people.

No, of course not. I voted for Harris.

I hate the Democrats but I can’t vote Republican.

I hear you....she wasn't my favorite candidate but she was the only choice.

Yes. Very depressing choices.

My takeaway from all of this is that the Republicans could have a nearly bulletproof lock on the presidency and probably even Congress if they could marginalize their grotesque Nazi and incel wing, but right now that wing is not actually a wing at all; it is core to the party. Very few people outside of the DCUM bubble actually like Democrats. The Republicans could pick up a lot of reluctant Democrats but not if they don’t shut down their Nazi incels. And so far they aren’t doing that.

Horrible choices. Well, not really a choice at this point.

(That having been said if I was voting in VA, I couldn’t vote for Jones. I would not vote at all in that one. My reluctance has boundaries.)

Well, wherever you visit clearly aligns with the bubble you live in here because I’m in various parts of the country from time to time, rural and urban, and they do not comport with your vision here. Of course, if I just spent time in the country clubs of those various places, then maybe that would be the case.

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You are delusional if you think people around the country actually like Democrats. And you are also spectacularly out of touch with working class voters. Your wealthy country club voters are actually the only ones that do like Democrats. And that is what polling data from the last election shows as well. Harris won out-of-touch white liberal women and wealthy boomers. Every other demographic group moved right.

Get out of your delusional bubble. Almost nobody likes Democrats. It is a crisis in my view.

Why are white liberal women and boomers being painted as out of touch? They’re not the ones living inside a racist edgelord bubble calling basketball players monkeys and joking about rape. They’re going about their business, buying groceries, paying the bills, caring for kids and aging parents (or being the aging parents, in the case of boomers). They’ve got a lot more real world experience and skin in the game than these young trolls.

Because in the last election white liberal women and boomers were the primary demographic groups that didn’t show gains for Trump. Trump picked up voters in every other demographic group.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voting-patterns-in-the-2024-election/

Trump voters are not noted for having a good grasp of truth and current events.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m a deeply disillusioned lifelong Democrat who basically despises the entire Democratic party now, but cannot stomach voting Republican. It’s stuff like this that is why. It’s just too endemic in the Republican party.

Same, very frustrated with Democrats, but I cannot stomach how the Republican party overlooks this stuff with "whataboutism." As a woman, also cannot stomach how they embrace Christian nationalists like Hesgeth or Kirk who use the bible as an excuse for viewing women as subservient.

PP here. I agree, though truthfully I don’t think that the Democrats are better as far as viewing women as subservient. They just use different language.

But these texts are consistent with the whataboutism language of Republicans (they just dismiss it) and it’s revolting. The lack of concern is horrible.

2 of the last three nominees for president were women.
Pro-choice so women can manage their own bodies
Pro child care, so women who want to, can partake in the work place
Pro-equal pay, so women and men earn the same salary for the same work

I could go on, but really not sure how you get to the bolded.

This is off topic for this thread, and you can start a different thread if you are truly interested, but one of the absolutely most distasteful aspects of the modern Democratic Party is that the narrow world view they prescribe and hold is so dogmatic and quasi-religious in nature that they cannot conceive of disagreement. I am an extremely reluctant Democrat voter who believes that Democrats are as much male supremacists as the Republicans. And I am not the only one.

But getting back on track, I can’t vote for Republicans so long as this nonsense is a key part of their party, and it is. It is a bridge too far. So of the awful choices, it is the Democrats at this point.

Did you vote for him in November because it was a bridge too far even then. WE knew what MAGA and dumpy stood for. None of this shocks most people.

No, of course not. I voted for Harris.

I hate the Democrats but I can’t vote Republican.

I hear you....she wasn't my favorite candidate but she was the only choice.

Yes. Very depressing choices.

My takeaway from all of this is that the Republicans could have a nearly bulletproof lock on the presidency and probably even Congress if they could marginalize their grotesque Nazi and incel wing, but right now that wing is not actually a wing at all; it is core to the party. Very few people outside of the DCUM bubble actually like Democrats. The Republicans could pick up a lot of reluctant Democrats but not if they don’t shut down their Nazi incels. And so far they aren’t doing that.

Horrible choices. Well, not really a choice at this point.

(That having been said if I was voting in VA, I couldn’t vote for Jones. I would not vote at all in that one. My reluctance has boundaries.)

Well, wherever you visit clearly aligns with the bubble you live in here because I’m in various parts of the country from time to time, rural and urban, and they do not comport with your vision here. Of course, if I just spent time in the country clubs of those various places, then maybe that would be the case.

🙄🙄

You are delusional if you think people around the country actually like Democrats. And you are also spectacularly out of touch with working class voters. Your wealthy country club voters are actually the only ones that do like Democrats. And that is what polling data from the last election shows as well. Harris won out-of-touch white liberal women and wealthy boomers. Every other demographic group moved right.

Get out of your delusional bubble. Almost nobody likes Democrats. It is a crisis in my view.

Why are white liberal women and boomers being painted as out of touch? They’re not the ones living inside a racist edgelord bubble calling basketball players monkeys and joking about rape. They’re going about their business, buying groceries, paying the bills, caring for kids and aging parents (or being the aging parents, in the case of boomers). They’ve got a lot more real world experience and skin in the game than these young trolls.

Because in the last election white liberal women and boomers were the primary demographic groups that didn’t show gains for Trump. Trump picked up voters in every other demographic group.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voting-patterns-in-the-2024-election/

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m a deeply disillusioned lifelong Democrat who basically despises the entire Democratic party now, but cannot stomach voting Republican. It’s stuff like this that is why. It’s just too endemic in the Republican party.

Same, very frustrated with Democrats, but I cannot stomach how the Republican party overlooks this stuff with "whataboutism." As a woman, also cannot stomach how they embrace Christian nationalists like Hesgeth or Kirk who use the bible as an excuse for viewing women as subservient.

PP here. I agree, though truthfully I don’t think that the Democrats are better as far as viewing women as subservient. They just use different language.

But these texts are consistent with the whataboutism language of Republicans (they just dismiss it) and it’s revolting. The lack of concern is horrible.

2 of the last three nominees for president were women.
Pro-choice so women can manage their own bodies
Pro child care, so women who want to, can partake in the work place
Pro-equal pay, so women and men earn the same salary for the same work

I could go on, but really not sure how you get to the bolded.

This is off topic for this thread, and you can start a different thread if you are truly interested, but one of the absolutely most distasteful aspects of the modern Democratic Party is that the narrow world view they prescribe and hold is so dogmatic and quasi-religious in nature that they cannot conceive of disagreement. I am an extremely reluctant Democrat voter who believes that Democrats are as much male supremacists as the Republicans. And I am not the only one.

But getting back on track, I can’t vote for Republicans so long as this nonsense is a key part of their party, and it is. It is a bridge too far. So of the awful choices, it is the Democrats at this point.

There is plenty of disagreement. Policy disagreement should be debated and compromised on. However, suggesting it is ok for racism and the other isms are not a policy disagreement. That is where the sidewalk ends.

Had this convo with our then teen son who was arguing with me about Dems. I said, “it’s one thing to argue about foreign affairs, tax policy, etc, but when one party tells me that blacks, Jews, Latinos, women are the enemy, then I don’t care about one’s position on interhemispheric affairs or changing the tax rates, I will not vote for a single one.”

Good distinction!

Perhaps, but absolutely demonstrates the issues the Democrats face: the teen son sees Democrats as the monolithic establishment that ruthlessly suppresses dissent, while his more liberal and wealthy mom disagrees. That’s a recipe for electoral disaster.

My teen sons think Trump is a loser and a moron. Don’t count your electoral chickens just yet.

The teen sons of DCUM posters are not likely to be statistically relevant in any election.

Anonymous wrote:"What an odd looking group of young “men?” These are men? Right? Overweight women in men’s clothing maybe?

I’m so confused if someone just showed me pics of these men without the background on them I’d guess they were trans rights, LGBTQ activists.

I really do think the most extreme of these Republican characters are just a bunch of self loathing closeted gay men."

They do look odd but why do you have to drag and insult trans and gay people? They have nothing to do with this. Those fat middle-aged Republicans look like they play on the computer all day in their mom's basement. In reality, they probably belonged to the "Young Republicans" when they were young and now that they're not so young, they refuse to give up their positions and memberships. It's the only thing that makes them feel "they belong." I bet they bully and hector the actual young republicans.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m a deeply disillusioned lifelong Democrat who basically despises the entire Democratic party now, but cannot stomach voting Republican. It’s stuff like this that is why. It’s just too endemic in the Republican party.

Same, very frustrated with Democrats, but I cannot stomach how the Republican party overlooks this stuff with "whataboutism." As a woman, also cannot stomach how they embrace Christian nationalists like Hesgeth or Kirk who use the bible as an excuse for viewing women as subservient.

PP here. I agree, though truthfully I don’t think that the Democrats are better as far as viewing women as subservient. They just use different language.

But these texts are consistent with the whataboutism language of Republicans (they just dismiss it) and it’s revolting. The lack of concern is horrible.

2 of the last three nominees for president were women.
Pro-choice so women can manage their own bodies
Pro child care, so women who want to, can partake in the work place
Pro-equal pay, so women and men earn the same salary for the same work

I could go on, but really not sure how you get to the bolded.

This is off topic for this thread, and you can start a different thread if you are truly interested, but one of the absolutely most distasteful aspects of the modern Democratic Party is that the narrow world view they prescribe and hold is so dogmatic and quasi-religious in nature that they cannot conceive of disagreement. I am an extremely reluctant Democrat voter who believes that Democrats are as much male supremacists as the Republicans. And I am not the only one.

But getting back on track, I can’t vote for Republicans so long as this nonsense is a key part of their party, and it is. It is a bridge too far. So of the awful choices, it is the Democrats at this point.

Did you vote for him in November because it was a bridge too far even then. WE knew what MAGA and dumpy stood for. None of this shocks most people.

No, of course not. I voted for Harris.

I hate the Democrats but I can’t vote Republican.

I hear you....she wasn't my favorite candidate but she was the only choice.

Yes. Very depressing choices.

My takeaway from all of this is that the Republicans could have a nearly bulletproof lock on the presidency and probably even Congress if they could marginalize their grotesque Nazi and incel wing, but right now that wing is not actually a wing at all; it is core to the party. Very few people outside of the DCUM bubble actually like Democrats. The Republicans could pick up a lot of reluctant Democrats but not if they don’t shut down their Nazi incels. And so far they aren’t doing that.

Horrible choices. Well, not really a choice at this point.

(That having been said if I was voting in VA, I couldn’t vote for Jones. I would not vote at all in that one. My reluctance has boundaries.)

Well, wherever you visit clearly aligns with the bubble you live in here because I’m in various parts of the country from time to time, rural and urban, and they do not comport with your vision here. Of course, if I just spent time in the country clubs of those various places, then maybe that would be the case.

🙄🙄

You are delusional if you think people around the country actually like Democrats. And you are also spectacularly out of touch with working class voters. Your wealthy country club voters are actually the only ones that do like Democrats. And that is what polling data from the last election shows as well. Harris won out-of-touch white liberal women and wealthy boomers. Every other demographic group moved right.

Get out of your delusional bubble. Almost nobody likes Democrats. It is a crisis in my view.

●Republicans are slowly losing the Asian vote.
"Trump’s approval on immigration drops among AAPI adults, new AAPI Data/AP-NORC poll finds"

● Definitely lost the Hispanic vote.
● Probably the small uptick in black votes is gone.
● Lost federal workers and contractors
● And importantly, probably lost some military votes as well by deporting family members and invading American cities.

Seriously, which group will there even be a gain in? Probably not farmers, students, or all those "anti-semites" who protested a genocide in Gaza.

So even if what you say is true, that no one likes the Democrats, what happens if swing voters who voted for Chump stay home?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m a deeply disillusioned lifelong Democrat who basically despises the entire Democratic party now, but cannot stomach voting Republican. It’s stuff like this that is why. It’s just too endemic in the Republican party.

Same, very frustrated with Democrats, but I cannot stomach how the Republican party overlooks this stuff with "whataboutism." As a woman, also cannot stomach how they embrace Christian nationalists like Hesgeth or Kirk who use the bible as an excuse for viewing women as subservient.

PP here. I agree, though truthfully I don’t think that the Democrats are better as far as viewing women as subservient. They just use different language.

But these texts are consistent with the whataboutism language of Republicans (they just dismiss it) and it’s revolting. The lack of concern is horrible.

2 of the last three nominees for president were women.
Pro-choice so women can manage their own bodies
Pro child care, so women who want to, can partake in the work place
Pro-equal pay, so women and men earn the same salary for the same work

I could go on, but really not sure how you get to the bolded.

This is off topic for this thread, and you can start a different thread if you are truly interested, but one of the absolutely most distasteful aspects of the modern Democratic Party is that the narrow world view they prescribe and hold is so dogmatic and quasi-religious in nature that they cannot conceive of disagreement. I am an extremely reluctant Democrat voter who believes that Democrats are as much male supremacists as the Republicans. And I am not the only one.

But getting back on track, I can’t vote for Republicans so long as this nonsense is a key part of their party, and it is. It is a bridge too far. So of the awful choices, it is the Democrats at this point.

There is plenty of disagreement. Policy disagreement should be debated and compromised on. However, suggesting it is ok for racism and the other isms are not a policy disagreement. That is where the sidewalk ends.

Had this convo with our then teen son who was arguing with me about Dems. I said, “it’s one thing to argue about foreign affairs, tax policy, etc, but when one party tells me that blacks, Jews, Latinos, women are the enemy, then I don’t care about one’s position on interhemispheric affairs or changing the tax rates, I will not vote for a single one.”

Good distinction!

Perhaps, but absolutely demonstrates the issues the Democrats face: the teen son sees Democrats as the monolithic establishment that ruthlessly suppresses dissent, while his more liberal and wealthy mom disagrees. That’s a recipe for electoral disaster.

My teen sons think Trump is a loser and a moron. Don’t count your electoral chickens just yet.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m a deeply disillusioned lifelong Democrat who basically despises the entire Democratic party now, but cannot stomach voting Republican. It’s stuff like this that is why. It’s just too endemic in the Republican party.

Same, very frustrated with Democrats, but I cannot stomach how the Republican party overlooks this stuff with "whataboutism." As a woman, also cannot stomach how they embrace Christian nationalists like Hesgeth or Kirk who use the bible as an excuse for viewing women as subservient.

PP here. I agree, though truthfully I don’t think that the Democrats are better as far as viewing women as subservient. They just use different language.

But these texts are consistent with the whataboutism language of Republicans (they just dismiss it) and it’s revolting. The lack of concern is horrible.

2 of the last three nominees for president were women.
Pro-choice so women can manage their own bodies
Pro child care, so women who want to, can partake in the work place
Pro-equal pay, so women and men earn the same salary for the same work

I could go on, but really not sure how you get to the bolded.

This is off topic for this thread, and you can start a different thread if you are truly interested, but one of the absolutely most distasteful aspects of the modern Democratic Party is that the narrow world view they prescribe and hold is so dogmatic and quasi-religious in nature that they cannot conceive of disagreement. I am an extremely reluctant Democrat voter who believes that Democrats are as much male supremacists as the Republicans. And I am not the only one.

But getting back on track, I can’t vote for Republicans so long as this nonsense is a key part of their party, and it is. It is a bridge too far. So of the awful choices, it is the Democrats at this point.

Did you vote for him in November because it was a bridge too far even then. WE knew what MAGA and dumpy stood for. None of this shocks most people.

No, of course not. I voted for Harris.

I hate the Democrats but I can’t vote Republican.

I hear you....she wasn't my favorite candidate but she was the only choice.

Yes. Very depressing choices.

My takeaway from all of this is that the Republicans could have a nearly bulletproof lock on the presidency and probably even Congress if they could marginalize their grotesque Nazi and incel wing, but right now that wing is not actually a wing at all; it is core to the party. Very few people outside of the DCUM bubble actually like Democrats. The Republicans could pick up a lot of reluctant Democrats but not if they don’t shut down their Nazi incels. And so far they aren’t doing that.

Horrible choices. Well, not really a choice at this point.

(That having been said if I was voting in VA, I couldn’t vote for Jones. I would not vote at all in that one. My reluctance has boundaries.)

Well, wherever you visit clearly aligns with the bubble you live in here because I’m in various parts of the country from time to time, rural and urban, and they do not comport with your vision here. Of course, if I just spent time in the country clubs of those various places, then maybe that would be the case.

🙄🙄

You are delusional if you think people around the country actually like Democrats. And you are also spectacularly out of touch with working class voters. Your wealthy country club voters are actually the only ones that do like Democrats. And that is what polling data from the last election shows as well. Harris won out-of-touch white liberal women and wealthy boomers. Every other demographic group moved right.

Get out of your delusional bubble. Almost nobody likes Democrats. It is a crisis in my view.

Why are white liberal women and boomers being painted as out of touch? They’re not the ones living inside a racist edgelord bubble calling basketball players monkeys and joking about rape. They’re going about their business, buying groceries, paying the bills, caring for kids and aging parents (or being the aging parents, in the case of boomers). They’ve got a lot more real world experience and skin in the game than these young trolls.

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Anonymous wrote:Good lord. More evidence that a fish rots from the head down. Donald Trump is such a scourge.

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