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Anonymous wrote:These anti tech wacko parents have no idea what's actually going on in schools.

We have a clear eye view of what is happening in classrooms, look at long term trends

https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/highlights/ltt/2023/

2012 is when laptops started showing up in high school classes

https://www.arlnow.com/2014/08/27/aps-to-give-hs-freshmen-macbooks/

Exactly why is it necessary that class work must be assigned and completed on a computer?

haha you read a few articles and think you know it all. You don't.

I backed my claim with data and historical reference. You said nothing.

An Arl Now article is your data? ROTF over here.

I guess you can’t read more than one line. The government report card is the data; the newspaper article is historical reference of when APS issued laptops.

Clearly you don’t do actual research in high school or college.

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+1. I’ve been a big advocate against this as a HS teacher and parent. This law or bill or whatever it is has made my job more difficult this past year. Now someone else is dictating how I need to run my classroom when I didn’t have problems before. I do not agree with this.

How exactly does it change how you run your classroom? Why would it be harder than before?

Did you just ignore cell phone use before? Assume it’s not interpreting students near the perpetrator?

Now with the pouches, any phone in sight is a violation, not just a phone in use. Is that what you are offended by, that your disregard for the problem is now more obvious?

I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you since you started replying to each teacher and don’t believe there are more than one of us that don’t support this.

No, I did not allow phone before. They were not a problem. Like the other teacher, I set that expectation on day 1 and did not have students watching TikToks in class or huge amounts trying to sneak them. If one needed to send a text occasionally, they would ask me “can I text my mom about ….” You would be surprised how polite and rule following most kids are.

So then the ban comes and now they are taboo. Now I have a battle with laptops and behavior issues with those, where I never did before. I am told under no circumstances can we see a phone and must do xyz if we do. This is not helpful. I had it under control. Now I have classes of angry kids, trying to get around things on computers because they feel like their cell rights are violated when we didn’t have a problem before.

I’m still unclear. Before the ban, what exactly were your expectations? Like what did you say? I’m sure there were occasional infractions, how did you handle them then? You never had a kid noodling on his phone?

Can elaborate on the laptops? I would support getting rid of those as well.

You want to take away laptops from high school students? You have just lost all credibility in this argument.

In class? Absolutely.

Many teachers have the students doing class assignments on the laptops during class.

Exactly. It's totally unrealistic and it doesn't make sense to take away laptops. My DD's teachers have them doing work in class on their laptops. They have block scheduling, and often part of the class is for teaching and part is for doing work/applying what they just learned. They access learning apps, do research, etc., on these laptops. APS has placed restrictions on them, so they can't access much beyond what's required for class.

Also, the world is tech based at this point and, honestly, they will use laptops throughout high school and college. SATs, APs - everything is online now. Kids need to learn how to live in a technology-oriented world. I can't even imagine them not having access to this stuff.

The internet is terrible for doing research. They should be in the library or have a textbook.

Learning apps are a complete joke, just a game to babysit while the work with high need kids or grade papers.

I’m in tech, you really should see how the leaders in tech are having their own kids learn.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sherry-turkle-why-tech-moguls-send-their-kids-to-anti-tech-schools-2017-11?op=1

Maybe that has changed in the last 6 years, but I suspect tech leaders have just gotten quieter about the private schools they send their kids.

The internet is terrible for research?? Have you ever heard of google scholar? Even when I was in grad school 15 years ago, most academic journals had moved online. If an elementary kid wants to learn about frogs— I agree, a book is better. But for a HS kid, it’s different. Kids enrolled in AP seminar & research have access to academic journals online the way college kids do. I think books are great, but it depends on what type of information you need, how specific, and how up to date.

You are talking about curated academic repositories, yes those are very helpful and online access is the standard now.

But 90% of students don’t need internet access to write their research paper on the civil war, because they won’t be able to filter though the wall of bad amateur “history” in their “research”. They aren’t looking at academic research like Google scholar, they should be referencing books not RebelBlog(tm).

DP. So clearly you don’t have kids in MS or HS.

Go away, troll.

Sorry I have kids in both. Why do you note refute with actual facts instead of some weird insult. What was wrong with what I said? The internet is the Wild West. Classwork is usually about lessons the teacher just instructed, and doesn’t need Google Scholar to augment.

I would like my kids to learn how to research. I guess you don't.

Googling isn’t research. That’s what the internet provides. In academic and professional settings you utilize resources that are not on the open internet.

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+1. I’ve been a big advocate against this as a HS teacher and parent. This law or bill or whatever it is has made my job more difficult this past year. Now someone else is dictating how I need to run my classroom when I didn’t have problems before. I do not agree with this.

How exactly does it change how you run your classroom? Why would it be harder than before?

Did you just ignore cell phone use before? Assume it’s not interpreting students near the perpetrator?

Now with the pouches, any phone in sight is a violation, not just a phone in use. Is that what you are offended by, that your disregard for the problem is now more obvious?

I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you since you started replying to each teacher and don’t believe there are more than one of us that don’t support this.

No, I did not allow phone before. They were not a problem. Like the other teacher, I set that expectation on day 1 and did not have students watching TikToks in class or huge amounts trying to sneak them. If one needed to send a text occasionally, they would ask me “can I text my mom about ….” You would be surprised how polite and rule following most kids are.

So then the ban comes and now they are taboo. Now I have a battle with laptops and behavior issues with those, where I never did before. I am told under no circumstances can we see a phone and must do xyz if we do. This is not helpful. I had it under control. Now I have classes of angry kids, trying to get around things on computers because they feel like their cell rights are violated when we didn’t have a problem before.

I’m still unclear. Before the ban, what exactly were your expectations? Like what did you say? I’m sure there were occasional infractions, how did you handle them then? You never had a kid noodling on his phone?

Can elaborate on the laptops? I would support getting rid of those as well.

You want to take away laptops from high school students? You have just lost all credibility in this argument.

In class? Absolutely.

Many teachers have the students doing class assignments on the laptops during class.

Exactly. It's totally unrealistic and it doesn't make sense to take away laptops. My DD's teachers have them doing work in class on their laptops. They have block scheduling, and often part of the class is for teaching and part is for doing work/applying what they just learned. They access learning apps, do research, etc., on these laptops. APS has placed restrictions on them, so they can't access much beyond what's required for class.

Also, the world is tech based at this point and, honestly, they will use laptops throughout high school and college. SATs, APs - everything is online now. Kids need to learn how to live in a technology-oriented world. I can't even imagine them not having access to this stuff.

The internet is terrible for doing research. They should be in the library or have a textbook.

Learning apps are a complete joke, just a game to babysit while the work with high need kids or grade papers.

I’m in tech, you really should see how the leaders in tech are having their own kids learn.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sherry-turkle-why-tech-moguls-send-their-kids-to-anti-tech-schools-2017-11?op=1

Maybe that has changed in the last 6 years, but I suspect tech leaders have just gotten quieter about the private schools they send their kids.

The internet is terrible for research?? Have you ever heard of google scholar? Even when I was in grad school 15 years ago, most academic journals had moved online. If an elementary kid wants to learn about frogs— I agree, a book is better. But for a HS kid, it’s different. Kids enrolled in AP seminar & research have access to academic journals online the way college kids do. I think books are great, but it depends on what type of information you need, how specific, and how up to date.

You are talking about curated academic repositories, yes those are very helpful and online access is the standard now.

But 90% of students don’t need internet access to write their research paper on the civil war, because they won’t be able to filter though the wall of bad amateur “history” in their “research”. They aren’t looking at academic research like Google scholar, they should be referencing books not RebelBlog(tm).

DP. So clearly you don’t have kids in MS or HS.

Go away, troll.

Sorry I have kids in both. Why do you note refute with actual facts instead of some weird insult. What was wrong with what I said? The internet is the Wild West. Classwork is usually about lessons the teacher just instructed, and doesn’t need Google Scholar to augment.

If you actually had a kid in APS MS/HS you would know which resources they are required to use.

GTFO, troll.

I have my own job, I’m not inventorying the catalog of websites and apps that APS uses — most of it is bunk.

High school is mostly about learning fundamentals best structured in a textbook or a teachers curated lecture notes, and then learning how to find and extract and summarize from larger secondary sources rather than just googling and copying and pasting a snippet.

For research papers, sure they need access to a laptop to access online libraries, edit papers, even news articles. But in class focusing on the teacher content without a competing screen is best, and many of the best teachers say laptops away for a portion of the class.

Yes, of course.

And then — when it comes down to actually doing the work — how many of the best teachers say “don’t use your laptop”?

GTFO, troll.

In class? They should be having small group discussions, doing long hand math work, labs. They should spend class time staring at a screen.

If you actually had a kid in APS HS, you’d know that most classes are 90 minute blocks. There are certainly points during that time when students are doing work beyond discussions & labs. And guess where that happens — on laptops.

They are a tool that even the best teachers utilize at some point.

GTFO, troll.

I know they have block scheduling; the teachers that just say “do quiet work on your own” are why it’s wasted sometimes. They should have better use of class time than doing homework in class.

Fully disagree that doing work/homework in class isn't a good use of time. Doing the work in class allows the student to 1) immediately apply the concepts they learned, and 2) ask questions if there is something they don't understand.

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+1. I’ve been a big advocate against this as a HS teacher and parent. This law or bill or whatever it is has made my job more difficult this past year. Now someone else is dictating how I need to run my classroom when I didn’t have problems before. I do not agree with this.

How exactly does it change how you run your classroom? Why would it be harder than before?

Did you just ignore cell phone use before? Assume it’s not interpreting students near the perpetrator?

Now with the pouches, any phone in sight is a violation, not just a phone in use. Is that what you are offended by, that your disregard for the problem is now more obvious?

I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you since you started replying to each teacher and don’t believe there are more than one of us that don’t support this.

No, I did not allow phone before. They were not a problem. Like the other teacher, I set that expectation on day 1 and did not have students watching TikToks in class or huge amounts trying to sneak them. If one needed to send a text occasionally, they would ask me “can I text my mom about ….” You would be surprised how polite and rule following most kids are.

So then the ban comes and now they are taboo. Now I have a battle with laptops and behavior issues with those, where I never did before. I am told under no circumstances can we see a phone and must do xyz if we do. This is not helpful. I had it under control. Now I have classes of angry kids, trying to get around things on computers because they feel like their cell rights are violated when we didn’t have a problem before.

I’m still unclear. Before the ban, what exactly were your expectations? Like what did you say? I’m sure there were occasional infractions, how did you handle them then? You never had a kid noodling on his phone?

Can elaborate on the laptops? I would support getting rid of those as well.

You want to take away laptops from high school students? You have just lost all credibility in this argument.

In class? Absolutely.

Many teachers have the students doing class assignments on the laptops during class.

Exactly. It's totally unrealistic and it doesn't make sense to take away laptops. My DD's teachers have them doing work in class on their laptops. They have block scheduling, and often part of the class is for teaching and part is for doing work/applying what they just learned. They access learning apps, do research, etc., on these laptops. APS has placed restrictions on them, so they can't access much beyond what's required for class.

Also, the world is tech based at this point and, honestly, they will use laptops throughout high school and college. SATs, APs - everything is online now. Kids need to learn how to live in a technology-oriented world. I can't even imagine them not having access to this stuff.

The internet is terrible for doing research. They should be in the library or have a textbook.

Learning apps are a complete joke, just a game to babysit while the work with high need kids or grade papers.

I’m in tech, you really should see how the leaders in tech are having their own kids learn.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sherry-turkle-why-tech-moguls-send-their-kids-to-anti-tech-schools-2017-11?op=1

Maybe that has changed in the last 6 years, but I suspect tech leaders have just gotten quieter about the private schools they send their kids.

The internet is terrible for research?? Have you ever heard of google scholar? Even when I was in grad school 15 years ago, most academic journals had moved online. If an elementary kid wants to learn about frogs— I agree, a book is better. But for a HS kid, it’s different. Kids enrolled in AP seminar & research have access to academic journals online the way college kids do. I think books are great, but it depends on what type of information you need, how specific, and how up to date.

You are talking about curated academic repositories, yes those are very helpful and online access is the standard now.

But 90% of students don’t need internet access to write their research paper on the civil war, because they won’t be able to filter though the wall of bad amateur “history” in their “research”. They aren’t looking at academic research like Google scholar, they should be referencing books not RebelBlog(tm).

DP. So clearly you don’t have kids in MS or HS.

Go away, troll.

Sorry I have kids in both. Why do you note refute with actual facts instead of some weird insult. What was wrong with what I said? The internet is the Wild West. Classwork is usually about lessons the teacher just instructed, and doesn’t need Google Scholar to augment.

If you actually had a kid in APS MS/HS you would know which resources they are required to use.

GTFO, troll.

I have my own job, I’m not inventorying the catalog of websites and apps that APS uses — most of it is bunk.

High school is mostly about learning fundamentals best structured in a textbook or a teachers curated lecture notes, and then learning how to find and extract and summarize from larger secondary sources rather than just googling and copying and pasting a snippet.

For research papers, sure they need access to a laptop to access online libraries, edit papers, even news articles. But in class focusing on the teacher content without a competing screen is best, and many of the best teachers say laptops away for a portion of the class.

Yes, of course.

And then — when it comes down to actually doing the work — how many of the best teachers say “don’t use your laptop”?

GTFO, troll.

In class? They should be having small group discussions, doing long hand math work, labs. They should spend class time staring at a screen.

If you actually had a kid in APS HS, you’d know that most classes are 90 minute blocks. There are certainly points during that time when students are doing work beyond discussions & labs. And guess where that happens — on laptops.

They are a tool that even the best teachers utilize at some point.

GTFO, troll.

I know they have block scheduling; the teachers that just say “do quiet work on your own” are why it’s wasted sometimes. They should have better use of class time than doing homework in class.

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+1. I’ve been a big advocate against this as a HS teacher and parent. This law or bill or whatever it is has made my job more difficult this past year. Now someone else is dictating how I need to run my classroom when I didn’t have problems before. I do not agree with this.

How exactly does it change how you run your classroom? Why would it be harder than before?

Did you just ignore cell phone use before? Assume it’s not interpreting students near the perpetrator?

Now with the pouches, any phone in sight is a violation, not just a phone in use. Is that what you are offended by, that your disregard for the problem is now more obvious?

I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you since you started replying to each teacher and don’t believe there are more than one of us that don’t support this.

No, I did not allow phone before. They were not a problem. Like the other teacher, I set that expectation on day 1 and did not have students watching TikToks in class or huge amounts trying to sneak them. If one needed to send a text occasionally, they would ask me “can I text my mom about ….” You would be surprised how polite and rule following most kids are.

So then the ban comes and now they are taboo. Now I have a battle with laptops and behavior issues with those, where I never did before. I am told under no circumstances can we see a phone and must do xyz if we do. This is not helpful. I had it under control. Now I have classes of angry kids, trying to get around things on computers because they feel like their cell rights are violated when we didn’t have a problem before.

I’m still unclear. Before the ban, what exactly were your expectations? Like what did you say? I’m sure there were occasional infractions, how did you handle them then? You never had a kid noodling on his phone?

Can elaborate on the laptops? I would support getting rid of those as well.

You want to take away laptops from high school students? You have just lost all credibility in this argument.

In class? Absolutely.

Many teachers have the students doing class assignments on the laptops during class.

Exactly. It's totally unrealistic and it doesn't make sense to take away laptops. My DD's teachers have them doing work in class on their laptops. They have block scheduling, and often part of the class is for teaching and part is for doing work/applying what they just learned. They access learning apps, do research, etc., on these laptops. APS has placed restrictions on them, so they can't access much beyond what's required for class.

Also, the world is tech based at this point and, honestly, they will use laptops throughout high school and college. SATs, APs - everything is online now. Kids need to learn how to live in a technology-oriented world. I can't even imagine them not having access to this stuff.

The internet is terrible for doing research. They should be in the library or have a textbook.

Learning apps are a complete joke, just a game to babysit while the work with high need kids or grade papers.

I’m in tech, you really should see how the leaders in tech are having their own kids learn.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sherry-turkle-why-tech-moguls-send-their-kids-to-anti-tech-schools-2017-11?op=1

Maybe that has changed in the last 6 years, but I suspect tech leaders have just gotten quieter about the private schools they send their kids.

The internet is terrible for research?? Have you ever heard of google scholar? Even when I was in grad school 15 years ago, most academic journals had moved online. If an elementary kid wants to learn about frogs— I agree, a book is better. But for a HS kid, it’s different. Kids enrolled in AP seminar & research have access to academic journals online the way college kids do. I think books are great, but it depends on what type of information you need, how specific, and how up to date.

You are talking about curated academic repositories, yes those are very helpful and online access is the standard now.

But 90% of students don’t need internet access to write their research paper on the civil war, because they won’t be able to filter though the wall of bad amateur “history” in their “research”. They aren’t looking at academic research like Google scholar, they should be referencing books not RebelBlog(tm).

DP. So clearly you don’t have kids in MS or HS.

Go away, troll.

Sorry I have kids in both. Why do you note refute with actual facts instead of some weird insult. What was wrong with what I said? The internet is the Wild West. Classwork is usually about lessons the teacher just instructed, and doesn’t need Google Scholar to augment.

I would like my kids to learn how to research. I guess you don't.

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+1. I’ve been a big advocate against this as a HS teacher and parent. This law or bill or whatever it is has made my job more difficult this past year. Now someone else is dictating how I need to run my classroom when I didn’t have problems before. I do not agree with this.

How exactly does it change how you run your classroom? Why would it be harder than before?

Did you just ignore cell phone use before? Assume it’s not interpreting students near the perpetrator?

Now with the pouches, any phone in sight is a violation, not just a phone in use. Is that what you are offended by, that your disregard for the problem is now more obvious?

I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you since you started replying to each teacher and don’t believe there are more than one of us that don’t support this.

No, I did not allow phone before. They were not a problem. Like the other teacher, I set that expectation on day 1 and did not have students watching TikToks in class or huge amounts trying to sneak them. If one needed to send a text occasionally, they would ask me “can I text my mom about ….” You would be surprised how polite and rule following most kids are.

So then the ban comes and now they are taboo. Now I have a battle with laptops and behavior issues with those, where I never did before. I am told under no circumstances can we see a phone and must do xyz if we do. This is not helpful. I had it under control. Now I have classes of angry kids, trying to get around things on computers because they feel like their cell rights are violated when we didn’t have a problem before.

I’m still unclear. Before the ban, what exactly were your expectations? Like what did you say? I’m sure there were occasional infractions, how did you handle them then? You never had a kid noodling on his phone?

Can elaborate on the laptops? I would support getting rid of those as well.

You want to take away laptops from high school students? You have just lost all credibility in this argument.

In class? Absolutely.

Many teachers have the students doing class assignments on the laptops during class.

Exactly. It's totally unrealistic and it doesn't make sense to take away laptops. My DD's teachers have them doing work in class on their laptops. They have block scheduling, and often part of the class is for teaching and part is for doing work/applying what they just learned. They access learning apps, do research, etc., on these laptops. APS has placed restrictions on them, so they can't access much beyond what's required for class.

Also, the world is tech based at this point and, honestly, they will use laptops throughout high school and college. SATs, APs - everything is online now. Kids need to learn how to live in a technology-oriented world. I can't even imagine them not having access to this stuff.

The internet is terrible for doing research. They should be in the library or have a textbook.

Learning apps are a complete joke, just a game to babysit while the work with high need kids or grade papers.

I’m in tech, you really should see how the leaders in tech are having their own kids learn.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sherry-turkle-why-tech-moguls-send-their-kids-to-anti-tech-schools-2017-11?op=1

Maybe that has changed in the last 6 years, but I suspect tech leaders have just gotten quieter about the private schools they send their kids.

The internet is terrible for research?? Have you ever heard of google scholar? Even when I was in grad school 15 years ago, most academic journals had moved online. If an elementary kid wants to learn about frogs— I agree, a book is better. But for a HS kid, it’s different. Kids enrolled in AP seminar & research have access to academic journals online the way college kids do. I think books are great, but it depends on what type of information you need, how specific, and how up to date.

You are talking about curated academic repositories, yes those are very helpful and online access is the standard now.

But 90% of students don’t need internet access to write their research paper on the civil war, because they won’t be able to filter though the wall of bad amateur “history” in their “research”. They aren’t looking at academic research like Google scholar, they should be referencing books not RebelBlog(tm).

DP. So clearly you don’t have kids in MS or HS.

Go away, troll.

Sorry I have kids in both. Why do you note refute with actual facts instead of some weird insult. What was wrong with what I said? The internet is the Wild West. Classwork is usually about lessons the teacher just instructed, and doesn’t need Google Scholar to augment.

If you actually had a kid in APS MS/HS you would know which resources they are required to use.

GTFO, troll.

I have my own job, I’m not inventorying the catalog of websites and apps that APS uses — most of it is bunk.

High school is mostly about learning fundamentals best structured in a textbook or a teachers curated lecture notes, and then learning how to find and extract and summarize from larger secondary sources rather than just googling and copying and pasting a snippet.

For research papers, sure they need access to a laptop to access online libraries, edit papers, even news articles. But in class focusing on the teacher content without a competing screen is best, and many of the best teachers say laptops away for a portion of the class.

Yes, of course.

And then — when it comes down to actually doing the work — how many of the best teachers say “don’t use your laptop”?

GTFO, troll.

In class? They should be having small group discussions, doing long hand math work, labs. They should spend class time staring at a screen.

If you actually had a kid in APS HS, you’d know that most classes are 90 minute blocks. There are certainly points during that time when students are doing work beyond discussions & labs. And guess where that happens — on laptops.

They are a tool that even the best teachers utilize at some point.

GTFO, troll.

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We have a clear eye view of what is happening in classrooms, look at long term trends

https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/highlights/ltt/2023/

2012 is when laptops started showing up in high school classes

https://www.arlnow.com/2014/08/27/aps-to-give-hs-freshmen-macbooks/

Exactly why is it necessary that class work must be assigned and completed on a computer?

haha you read a few articles and think you know it all. You don't.

I backed my claim with data and historical reference. You said nothing.

An Arl Now article is your data? ROTF over here.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not an absolutist. I agree that cellphones have no place during instructional time, but I'm less worried about lunch and transitions, particularly in high school. How can kids learn how to use tech responsibly if we take it away from them until they graduate?

There were very convincing arguments about flexibility too, about how kids used phones for in-class projects at teachers' discretion prior to the total ban.

Why does everything have to be black and white? The people who are cheering about the cellphone ban are now gunning for the iPads and laptops. Which again, I can be convinced really aren't developmentally appropriate in K-2, but older kids gotta learn about it anyway to remain part of an interconnected global society.

I remember someone saying in the old AEM that it was just election-year red meat. I agree.

Because we tried it your way and we have overwhelming evidence that kids cannot keep their hands off their phones. They cannot put them down and just use them during non instructional time. They are distracting because companies have designed them that way. And now we as adults need to be step in and recognize that your way failed.

What do you mean it failed? It worked just fine for me, and also for my colleagues. I have had very few issues with phones during instructional time. I am not bothered by students checking their phones in the hallways. Some of my students are legal adults. Pouches are developmentally inappropriate for this age group.

+1 to the reasonable teacher here and to the PP about election-year red meat. Also, of course the pouch companies want you to spend money on them. It's egregious.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not an absolutist. I agree that cellphones have no place during instructional time, but I'm less worried about lunch and transitions, particularly in high school. How can kids learn how to use tech responsibly if we take it away from them until they graduate?

There were very convincing arguments about flexibility too, about how kids used phones for in-class projects at teachers' discretion prior to the total ban.

Why does everything have to be black and white? The people who are cheering about the cellphone ban are now gunning for the iPads and laptops. Which again, I can be convinced really aren't developmentally appropriate in K-2, but older kids gotta learn about it anyway to remain part of an interconnected global society.

I remember someone saying in the old AEM that it was just election-year red meat. I agree.

Because we tried it your way and we have overwhelming evidence that kids cannot keep their hands off their phones. They cannot put them down and just use them during non instructional time. They are distracting because companies have designed them that way. And now we as adults need to be step in and recognize that your way failed.

What do you mean it failed? It worked just fine for me, and also for my colleagues. I have had very few issues with phones during instructional time. I am not bothered by students checking their phones in the hallways. Some of my students are legal adults. Pouches are developmentally inappropriate for this age group.

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a teacher.

+1. I’ve been a big advocate against this as a HS teacher and parent. This law or bill or whatever it is has made my job more difficult this past year. Now someone else is dictating how I need to run my classroom when I didn’t have problems before. I do not agree with this.

How exactly does it change how you run your classroom? Why would it be harder than before?

Did you just ignore cell phone use before? Assume it’s not interpreting students near the perpetrator?

Now with the pouches, any phone in sight is a violation, not just a phone in use. Is that what you are offended by, that your disregard for the problem is now more obvious?

I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you since you started replying to each teacher and don’t believe there are more than one of us that don’t support this.

No, I did not allow phone before. They were not a problem. Like the other teacher, I set that expectation on day 1 and did not have students watching TikToks in class or huge amounts trying to sneak them. If one needed to send a text occasionally, they would ask me “can I text my mom about ….” You would be surprised how polite and rule following most kids are.

So then the ban comes and now they are taboo. Now I have a battle with laptops and behavior issues with those, where I never did before. I am told under no circumstances can we see a phone and must do xyz if we do. This is not helpful. I had it under control. Now I have classes of angry kids, trying to get around things on computers because they feel like their cell rights are violated when we didn’t have a problem before.

I’m still unclear. Before the ban, what exactly were your expectations? Like what did you say? I’m sure there were occasional infractions, how did you handle them then? You never had a kid noodling on his phone?

Can elaborate on the laptops? I would support getting rid of those as well.

You want to take away laptops from high school students? You have just lost all credibility in this argument.

In class? Absolutely.

Many teachers have the students doing class assignments on the laptops during class.

Exactly. It's totally unrealistic and it doesn't make sense to take away laptops. My DD's teachers have them doing work in class on their laptops. They have block scheduling, and often part of the class is for teaching and part is for doing work/applying what they just learned. They access learning apps, do research, etc., on these laptops. APS has placed restrictions on them, so they can't access much beyond what's required for class.

Also, the world is tech based at this point and, honestly, they will use laptops throughout high school and college. SATs, APs - everything is online now. Kids need to learn how to live in a technology-oriented world. I can't even imagine them not having access to this stuff.

The internet is terrible for doing research. They should be in the library or have a textbook.

Learning apps are a complete joke, just a game to babysit while the work with high need kids or grade papers.

I’m in tech, you really should see how the leaders in tech are having their own kids learn.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sherry-turkle-why-tech-moguls-send-their-kids-to-anti-tech-schools-2017-11?op=1

Maybe that has changed in the last 6 years, but I suspect tech leaders have just gotten quieter about the private schools they send their kids.

The internet is terrible for research?? Have you ever heard of google scholar? Even when I was in grad school 15 years ago, most academic journals had moved online. If an elementary kid wants to learn about frogs— I agree, a book is better. But for a HS kid, it’s different. Kids enrolled in AP seminar & research have access to academic journals online the way college kids do. I think books are great, but it depends on what type of information you need, how specific, and how up to date.

You are talking about curated academic repositories, yes those are very helpful and online access is the standard now.

But 90% of students don’t need internet access to write their research paper on the civil war, because they won’t be able to filter though the wall of bad amateur “history” in their “research”. They aren’t looking at academic research like Google scholar, they should be referencing books not RebelBlog(tm).

DP. So clearly you don’t have kids in MS or HS.

Go away, troll.

Sorry I have kids in both. Why do you note refute with actual facts instead of some weird insult. What was wrong with what I said? The internet is the Wild West. Classwork is usually about lessons the teacher just instructed, and doesn’t need Google Scholar to augment.

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Signed,

a teacher.

+1. I’ve been a big advocate against this as a HS teacher and parent. This law or bill or whatever it is has made my job more difficult this past year. Now someone else is dictating how I need to run my classroom when I didn’t have problems before. I do not agree with this.

How exactly does it change how you run your classroom? Why would it be harder than before?

Did you just ignore cell phone use before? Assume it’s not interpreting students near the perpetrator?

Now with the pouches, any phone in sight is a violation, not just a phone in use. Is that what you are offended by, that your disregard for the problem is now more obvious?

I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you since you started replying to each teacher and don’t believe there are more than one of us that don’t support this.

No, I did not allow phone before. They were not a problem. Like the other teacher, I set that expectation on day 1 and did not have students watching TikToks in class or huge amounts trying to sneak them. If one needed to send a text occasionally, they would ask me “can I text my mom about ….” You would be surprised how polite and rule following most kids are.

So then the ban comes and now they are taboo. Now I have a battle with laptops and behavior issues with those, where I never did before. I am told under no circumstances can we see a phone and must do xyz if we do. This is not helpful. I had it under control. Now I have classes of angry kids, trying to get around things on computers because they feel like their cell rights are violated when we didn’t have a problem before.

I’m still unclear. Before the ban, what exactly were your expectations? Like what did you say? I’m sure there were occasional infractions, how did you handle them then? You never had a kid noodling on his phone?

Can elaborate on the laptops? I would support getting rid of those as well.

You want to take away laptops from high school students? You have just lost all credibility in this argument.

In class? Absolutely.

Many teachers have the students doing class assignments on the laptops during class.

Exactly. It's totally unrealistic and it doesn't make sense to take away laptops. My DD's teachers have them doing work in class on their laptops. They have block scheduling, and often part of the class is for teaching and part is for doing work/applying what they just learned. They access learning apps, do research, etc., on these laptops. APS has placed restrictions on them, so they can't access much beyond what's required for class.

Also, the world is tech based at this point and, honestly, they will use laptops throughout high school and college. SATs, APs - everything is online now. Kids need to learn how to live in a technology-oriented world. I can't even imagine them not having access to this stuff.

The internet is terrible for doing research. They should be in the library or have a textbook.

Learning apps are a complete joke, just a game to babysit while the work with high need kids or grade papers.

I’m in tech, you really should see how the leaders in tech are having their own kids learn.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sherry-turkle-why-tech-moguls-send-their-kids-to-anti-tech-schools-2017-11?op=1

Maybe that has changed in the last 6 years, but I suspect tech leaders have just gotten quieter about the private schools they send their kids.

The internet is terrible for research?? Have you ever heard of google scholar? Even when I was in grad school 15 years ago, most academic journals had moved online. If an elementary kid wants to learn about frogs— I agree, a book is better. But for a HS kid, it’s different. Kids enrolled in AP seminar & research have access to academic journals online the way college kids do. I think books are great, but it depends on what type of information you need, how specific, and how up to date.

You are talking about curated academic repositories, yes those are very helpful and online access is the standard now.

But 90% of students don’t need internet access to write their research paper on the civil war, because they won’t be able to filter though the wall of bad amateur “history” in their “research”. They aren’t looking at academic research like Google scholar, they should be referencing books not RebelBlog(tm).

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Anonymous wrote:I am not an absolutist. I agree that cellphones have no place during instructional time, but I'm less worried about lunch and transitions, particularly in high school. How can kids learn how to use tech responsibly if we take it away from them until they graduate?

There were very convincing arguments about flexibility too, about how kids used phones for in-class projects at teachers' discretion prior to the total ban.

Why does everything have to be black and white? The people who are cheering about the cellphone ban are now gunning for the iPads and laptops. Which again, I can be convinced really aren't developmentally appropriate in K-2, but older kids gotta learn about it anyway to remain part of an interconnected global society.

I remember someone saying in the old AEM that it was just election-year red meat. I agree.

Because we tried it your way and we have overwhelming evidence that kids cannot keep their hands off their phones. They cannot put them down and just use them during non instructional time. They are distracting because companies have designed them that way. And now we as adults need to be step in and recognize that your way failed.

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Signed,

a teacher.

+1. I’ve been a big advocate against this as a HS teacher and parent. This law or bill or whatever it is has made my job more difficult this past year. Now someone else is dictating how I need to run my classroom when I didn’t have problems before. I do not agree with this.

How exactly does it change how you run your classroom? Why would it be harder than before?

Did you just ignore cell phone use before? Assume it’s not interpreting students near the perpetrator?

Now with the pouches, any phone in sight is a violation, not just a phone in use. Is that what you are offended by, that your disregard for the problem is now more obvious?

I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you since you started replying to each teacher and don’t believe there are more than one of us that don’t support this.

No, I did not allow phone before. They were not a problem. Like the other teacher, I set that expectation on day 1 and did not have students watching TikToks in class or huge amounts trying to sneak them. If one needed to send a text occasionally, they would ask me “can I text my mom about ….” You would be surprised how polite and rule following most kids are.

So then the ban comes and now they are taboo. Now I have a battle with laptops and behavior issues with those, where I never did before. I am told under no circumstances can we see a phone and must do xyz if we do. This is not helpful. I had it under control. Now I have classes of angry kids, trying to get around things on computers because they feel like their cell rights are violated when we didn’t have a problem before.

I’m still unclear. Before the ban, what exactly were your expectations? Like what did you say? I’m sure there were occasional infractions, how did you handle them then? You never had a kid noodling on his phone?

Can elaborate on the laptops? I would support getting rid of those as well.

You want to take away laptops from high school students? You have just lost all credibility in this argument.

In class? Absolutely.

Many teachers have the students doing class assignments on the laptops during class.

Exactly. It's totally unrealistic and it doesn't make sense to take away laptops. My DD's teachers have them doing work in class on their laptops. They have block scheduling, and often part of the class is for teaching and part is for doing work/applying what they just learned. They access learning apps, do research, etc., on these laptops. APS has placed restrictions on them, so they can't access much beyond what's required for class.

Also, the world is tech based at this point and, honestly, they will use laptops throughout high school and college. SATs, APs - everything is online now. Kids need to learn how to live in a technology-oriented world. I can't even imagine them not having access to this stuff.

The internet is terrible for doing research. They should be in the library or have a textbook.

Learning apps are a complete joke, just a game to babysit while the work with high need kids or grade papers.

I’m in tech, you really should see how the leaders in tech are having their own kids learn.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sherry-turkle-why-tech-moguls-send-their-kids-to-anti-tech-schools-2017-11?op=1

Maybe that has changed in the last 6 years, but I suspect tech leaders have just gotten quieter about the private schools they send their kids.

The internet is terrible for research?? Have you ever heard of google scholar? Even when I was in grad school 15 years ago, most academic journals had moved online. If an elementary kid wants to learn about frogs— I agree, a book is better. But for a HS kid, it’s different. Kids enrolled in AP seminar & research have access to academic journals online the way college kids do. I think books are great, but it depends on what type of information you need, how specific, and how up to date.

You are talking about curated academic repositories, yes those are very helpful and online access is the standard now.

But 90% of students don’t need internet access to write their research paper on the civil war, because they won’t be able to filter though the wall of bad amateur “history” in their “research”. They aren’t looking at academic research like Google scholar, they should be referencing books not RebelBlog(tm).

DP. So clearly you don’t have kids in MS or HS.

Go away, troll.

Sorry I have kids in both. Why do you note refute with actual facts instead of some weird insult. What was wrong with what I said? The internet is the Wild West. Classwork is usually about lessons the teacher just instructed, and doesn’t need Google Scholar to augment.

If you actually had a kid in APS MS/HS you would know which resources they are required to use.

GTFO, troll.

I have my own job, I’m not inventorying the catalog of websites and apps that APS uses — most of it is bunk.

High school is mostly about learning fundamentals best structured in a textbook or a teachers curated lecture notes, and then learning how to find and extract and summarize from larger secondary sources rather than just googling and copying and pasting a snippet.

For research papers, sure they need access to a laptop to access online libraries, edit papers, even news articles. But in class focusing on the teacher content without a competing screen is best, and many of the best teachers say laptops away for a portion of the class.

Yes, of course.

And then — when it comes down to actually doing the work — how many of the best teachers say “don’t use your laptop”?

GTFO, troll.

In class? They should be having small group discussions, doing long hand math work, labs. They should spend class time staring at a screen.

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Anonymous wrote:These anti tech wacko parents have no idea what's actually going on in schools.

We have a clear eye view of what is happening in classrooms, look at long term trends

https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/highlights/ltt/2023/

2012 is when laptops started showing up in high school classes

https://www.arlnow.com/2014/08/27/aps-to-give-hs-freshmen-macbooks/

Exactly why is it necessary that class work must be assigned and completed on a computer?

haha you read a few articles and think you know it all. You don't.

I backed my claim with data and historical reference. You said nothing.