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Anonymous wrote:He's handing China a huge win. They are becoming the dominant country for research globally. If their best students stay in China, it is good for them long term.

There are videos on Chinese platforms thanking Trump. They said the best and brightest often left for places like Harvard. Hong Kong University of Science and Tech just offered unconditional acceptance for all Harvard students.

#braindrain.

Thanks, MAGA. /s

Yes, I believe everything that’s on Chinese media platforms. They can be trusted.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of people don't understand the concept of soft power. We end up having heads of state of other countries who were educated at Harvard, that helps the US. Same thing with Aid, we pay that money and buy goodwill to the US.

Trump is speed running the US's influence into the ground and China is running to pick up the pieces.

Basically, Trump is handing global influence to China.

+1. But maga are populist nativists who want to isolate the US. They do not understand why global influence is important to our national security.

-former R

I'm a dem and understand global influence. You are overstating the case and you know it. I'm not a maga and I'm all for things being reconfigured. Stop pretending. American students are having a very hard time getting in to colleges and getting jobs. It's time we look at how importing students and workers is hurting our population. It's like NAFTA all over again.

Stop pretending that this isn't hurting the citizens in this country.

Many of the international students are grad students. And many grad programs, even at elite universities, are simply not that competitive. Think master’s programs other than business. I went to one at Columbia that increased its acceptance rate from 35% to 50% in 5 years, enrolling more students, presumably because they needed or wanted more tuition money. I teach at a high-acceptance rate grad school and the program simply would not survive without international students.

To the PP that said “let them go to red states”—they do. I work with tons of people who did their undergrad in their home country, and grad school in Texas or South Carolina or Indiana. To the PP who said the spots need to go to deserving American students—maybe in undergrad there should be fewer international students—but many grad programs would not last long without them.

Anonymous wrote:We have plenty of bright kids that would LOVE to take the spots of international students at the top schools. Every year thousands of kids with perfect grades and SAT scores do not get into the ivies and T-20 universities. Those spots are going to international students. Lets give US kids a chance at an elite university before educating the rest of the world. American kids first!

Just because they have high test scores doesn't mean they are innovators. I include my super high stats DC in that.

What you, MAGA, and Trump are doing is pushing away the best and brightest from around the world. Of course, not all foreign students are the best and brightest, but certainly some are, and they go on to create patents and innovations, decide to make a life here, so the US becomes a recipient of their brain power and talent. Immigrants like them have a higher concentration of holding patents.

You are naive to think "if only American students would be given a chance, they could be the innovators". No, doesn't work that way.

Anonymous wrote:Top colleges have become top colleges by managing their own affairs across decades and centuries. Exogenous, authoritarian control of the type you suggest would be likely to weaken them.

This. The Republican Party is supposed to be the party of less government interference. Let universities decide what is best for them and then the public can decide if they agree by attending these universities, or not.

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Anonymous wrote:He's handing China a huge win. They are becoming the dominant country for research globally. If their best students stay in China, it is good for them long term.

There are videos on Chinese platforms thanking Trump. They said the best and brightest often left for places like Harvard. Hong Kong University of Science and Tech just offered unconditional acceptance for all Harvard students.

#braindrain.

Thanks, MAGA. /s

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be a good thing if the top US schools educated and prepared more US students? Is what's happening at harvard a blessing in disguise?

Maybe the government should limit the number of international students at all top schools. Getting in and the cost of attending is just too much.

International students are a major source of funding. They are almost all full pay (sometimes at higher rates than Americans) so they subsidize financial aid as well as their programs of study.

If the government were paying for universities - as it could and arguably should, so that everyone could have a low-cost or free education - then maybe we could talk about it. But as it is, limiting international students would just reduce what the university can afford to do for Americans.

NP. At top universities - at least top 20, top 50, there are enough domestic full pay applicants to make up that funding.

Enough domestic full pay applicants without the university meaningfully lowering their admissions standards? Or are you just saying that if you let in anybody who can pay, you will find enough people who want to go?

I'm sure there's a lot of variation in how admissions are done, but the schools I'm familiar with have a separate application for international students. Domestic students are not truly competing with the international pool for the same spots.

That is a fantasy. Also Americans should have top billing for professor slots.

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people don't understand the concept of soft power. We end up having heads of state of other countries who were educated at Harvard, that helps the US. Same thing with Aid, we pay that money and buy goodwill to the US.

Trump is speed running the US's influence into the ground and China is running to pick up the pieces.

Basically, Trump is handing global influence to China.

Not really, most see China for what it is. Europe will do well.

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Anonymous wrote:There aren't any worthwhile students outside of the t60 or so (after Tulane.)

This is some seriously pretentious nonsense. I'm pretty sure that I'm worthwhile, at least my employer thinks so because they pay me 7 figures a year. I went to a non-selective public. It's people like yourself that reinforce the attitude carried by many of the MAGA crowd.

Why would you admit to that? It's a bit shameful.

Why not? I know two tech execs from Clarkson who would eat your typical T20 grad as a snack. Where you went to school defines nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be a good thing if the top US schools educated and prepared more US students? Is what's happening at harvard a blessing in disguise?

Maybe the government should limit the number of international students at all top schools. Getting in and the cost of attending is just too much.

Agree 100 percent. We are sending billions in taxpayer dollars to these schools. That our money. The least they can do is educate our kids instead of future jihadists.

No, we are not just sending taxpayer money. That money is funding scientific research that benefits everyone. It is not a free for all.

We have plenty of bright kids that would LOVE to take the spots of international students at the top schools. Every year thousands of kids with perfect grades and SAT scores do not get into the ivies and T-20 universities. Those spots are going to international students. Lets give US kids a chance at an elite university before educating the rest of the world. American kids first!

Anonymous wrote:He's handing China a huge win. They are becoming the dominant country for research globally. If their best students stay in China, it is good for them long term.

There are videos on Chinese platforms thanking Trump. They said the best and brightest often left for places like Harvard. Hong Kong University of Science and Tech just offered unconditional acceptance for all Harvard students.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be a good thing if the top US schools educated and prepared more US students? Is what's happening at harvard a blessing in disguise?

Maybe the government should limit the number of international students at all top schools. Getting in and the cost of attending is just too much.

1) no, school should admit who they want to create the culture and fill the program as their board mandates
2) there should not be any role for government in college admission decisions, none.

Really?

So colleges should be allowed to discriminate on the basis of race or religion in admissions?

And the government should fund research at Bob Jones U, for example, even if it bans interracial dating?

The government clearly should intervene in college admissions where there’s a compelling reason to do so.

The question is whether the admission of ever greater numbers of international students constitutes a compelling reason for intervention.

NP. To be clear, the government is not intervening in admissions. It is intervening in who gets a visa.

You haven’t been paying attention. The government issued the visa threat because they already asked to intervene in admissions, hiring, curriculum and a whole host of other things and Harvard told the government to to pound sand.

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be a good thing if the top US schools educated and prepared more US students? Is what's happening at harvard a blessing in disguise?

Maybe the government should limit the number of international students at all top schools. Getting in and the cost of attending is just too much.

Yes. Yes it would

Huh? If you reconfigure Harvard, it's not Harvard anymore. So what is the point? Why would you want to go there anymore?

+100

By all means let’s just dumb it down. FFS

The same people that deride “everyone gets a trophy” want their kids to get a trophy

If the concept is just revenge on elite schools like Harvard then that is one thing. If the concept is get rid of all of the top international students so that we can fill up all those spots with American students, that is another thing entirely.

Is the idea to make some kind of America first Maga University? Go ahead and make that product and see if it sells. The idea that you're going to reconfigure Harvard University or Princeton University to be maga University is silly.

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people don't understand the concept of soft power. We end up having heads of state of other countries who were educated at Harvard, that helps the US. Same thing with Aid, we pay that money and buy goodwill to the US.

Trump is speed running the US's influence into the ground and China is running to pick up the pieces.

Basically, Trump is handing global influence to China.

+1. But maga are populist nativists who want to isolate the US. They do not understand why global influence is important to our national security.

-former R