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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

Np. I think what many members of the public don’t see is that our fed jobs are taken with lower salary and slightly more flexibility. Most of us have spouses who are doctors, nurses or other jobs who have zero flexibility. My husband has never once been able to telework, which is why I have my current job.

Quit the whining. Nurses have the same level of education/ training and get paid a lot less than many of you and have to work the night shift and deal with people's bodily fluids. Teachers also have degrees (often graduate degrees) and have zero flexibility (as in can't be 5 minutes late so actually show up half an hour before students arrive and find it very difficult to take a day off here and there). The incessant whining of the white collar class about society going to ____ because they suddenly have less flexibility is really tone deaf and unbecoming.

No you STFU. Nurses chose a career of shift work that requires physical presence. And they’d be perfectly right to complain if the hospital arbitrarily changed their work schedule. Teachers like wise - and of course they get summers off and long vacations.

By this logic you can say feds chose a career that’s subject to political whims. I would not argue this point but it does go two ways

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I hope someone is paying you for this. If you're doing this for free -- wow.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

Np. I think what many members of the public don’t see is that our fed jobs are taken with lower salary and slightly more flexibility. Most of us have spouses who are doctors, nurses or other jobs who have zero flexibility. My husband has never once been able to telework, which is why I have my current job.

Quit the whining. Nurses have the same level of education/ training and get paid a lot less than many of you and have to work the night shift and deal with people's bodily fluids. Teachers also have degrees (often graduate degrees) and have zero flexibility (as in can't be 5 minutes late so actually show up half an hour before students arrive and find it very difficult to take a day off here and there). The incessant whining of the white collar class about society going to ____ because they suddenly have less flexibility is really tone deaf and unbecoming.

No you STFU. Nurses chose a career of shift work that requires physical presence. And they’d be perfectly right to complain if the hospital arbitrarily changed their work schedule. Teachers like wise - and of course they get summers off and long vacations.

By this logic you can say feds chose a career that’s subject to political whims. I would not argue this point but it does go two ways

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

Np. I think what many members of the public don’t see is that our fed jobs are taken with lower salary and slightly more flexibility. Most of us have spouses who are doctors, nurses or other jobs who have zero flexibility. My husband has never once been able to telework, which is why I have my current job.

Quit the whining. Nurses have the same level of education/ training and get paid a lot less than many of you and have to work the night shift and deal with people's bodily fluids. Teachers also have degrees (often graduate degrees) and have zero flexibility (as in can't be 5 minutes late so actually show up half an hour before students arrive and find it very difficult to take a day off here and there). The incessant whining of the white collar class about society going to ____ because they suddenly have less flexibility is really tone deaf and unbecoming.

No you STFU. Nurses chose a career of shift work that requires physical presence. And they’d be perfectly right to complain if the hospital arbitrarily changed their work schedule. Teachers like wise - and of course they get summers off and long vacations.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why people used to live close in. Now they want to live way outside the beltway and also keep a downtown job. It’s a choice.

I live close in. My assigned office for the fully remote job I was hired into is way out. But please, keep talking.

NP. It was not realistic think a fully remote job was a forever thing. Sorry, it stinks having the change up.
What did we do before?? I paid for before care, after care, an after school nanny once kid aged out of regular aftercare. Brought my kid to the office on snow days where school was closed and work was not (or took an annual leave day those times, saved leave just for those occasions).

For real, why was this not realistic? I am not a Fed and work from where and when I want (though travel a ton). But I don't understand why in the age of distributed teams, videoconferencing, and relatively cost-effective travel it's unrealistic to think jobs could be fully remote.

Plenty of jobs are remote, It is just not realistic to expect any single job to be permanently remote. I’ve been remote most of the last 15 years, but every employer I’ve had has made it clear they can change that at any time.

If the only thing you like about your job is that it is/was remote, I think you should find something you like more!

Your argument is akin to it’s not realistic to expect any job to permanently exist. No shit. Explain why it makes sense to arbitrarily decide that a job that has been done well remotely should suddenly no longer be remote.

Priorities change. I mean, people also get laid off who were doing fine, solely because their role is no longer needed. Arbitrary things happen. On an individual level it does not work to ask it to “make sense” because it just is what it is.

You’re not good at this. Your deflections are obvious. The fact that you literally CANNOT explain the assertion you made upthread is also obvious. (You also don’t understand what “arbitrary” means.)

And no, this is not simply a matter of “it is what it is.” Decisions, arbitrary or otherwise, are being *actively made* to do these things. Mandatory RTO and rigid work schedules are not just some naturally occurring phenomena. “It is what it is” is meant for situations such as a volcano eruption in Iceland causing planes to be grounded causing you to miss your big meeting in Europe.

I am getting so irritated with the absolutely CONFIDENT stupidity of people like you. Your understanding of our society and our government wouldn’t enable you to pass a middle school level civics test. I’m embarrassed for you.

And many of us are so tired of your bottomless whining and toddler complaining that “It’s stooooopid and you’re stupid and so unfair and I HATE VEGETABLES!!!”

This is actually happening. Now. The baby is sliding out of the birth canal and you can’t shove it back up there.

Stop stomping your feet like a child. Quit your job, or don’t, but you need to cope and stfu already

I don’t need to do any of this. I will not be (and have not been) sending bullet points. I will not alter the work schedule I have followed for decades. I will certainly not be providing sick notes. I’m an adult. I am an excellent employee and an excellent citizen. These Russian assets and general self-serving idiots to whom you are SO eager to just bow down can go ahead and fire me if they choose - I can’t stop them, but I don’t have to help them or comply with this idiocy.

You are the type of person that Democracy is wasted on. You have absolutely no appreciation for what you have, and therefore you feel no responsibility to preserve it for those who come after you. You’re a sniveling, pathetic coward - the type who would have immediately and eagerly turned over their Jewish neighbors to the Nazis with, I suppose, an admonition to them to “stop whining” and a justification for yourself that “it is what it is.”

Wrongly. I (PP) am a DoD civilian currently and lifelong Dem. I emphatically do not support this president. I am not doing their bidding by posting that grown ass men and women should stop whining. File a lawsuit, protest outside of your agency, lead your union, go the private sector … great! Take action. Act. Lead.

Sniveling endlessly on the internet about commuting is embarrassing AF.

You really need to understand this is only very minimally about commuting.

We do. We’re on your side. That’s why we’re saying, stop whining about commutes and being in the office during work hours. It takes the focus off the real issues. I think you’ve finally arrived there.

The 'real issue' is that they're trying to drive people out, but the things that actually affect whether people can make it through the next week are the commute and hours, you condescending moron.

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It’s not about RTO or work hours in a vacuum. This is just the next nail in the coffin of driving Feds out and leaves us all wondering what the hell is the next thing they’ll do to us. And yes it’s easy to say just leave, but it’s hard to find more time to job search on top of our childcare and work schedules being blown up and the same people driving us out are purposefully destroying the job market. I’m so mentally drained, physically tired, and demoralized. Times this by nearly every fed and it’s not great for productivity or work quality for our executive branch as a whole.

Also, the RTO and work hour changes happened on the heels of our OMB director saying he wants us to be miserable every day, RIFs, the fork, schedule F, proposing changes to our pay and benefits including drastically reducing people’s retirement plans half way through their careers, our officials telling the country we don’t deserve our paychecks, illegal firings of probationary employees, DOGE taking over buildings and ruining systems, CBAs being violated, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:You mean you might have to move so you live within 2 hours of where you work.

Uprooting your life for a fed job that could easily be RIF’d is insane.

Living two hours from society and relying on remote work—with your useless federal experience and unusual degrees only qualify you for obscure federal positions that have no private-sector demand—is truly insane.

I don't know who you imagine you're talking to. I live in DC and I tried to stay at my job because I care about it, not because I wasn't employable elsewhere. The mission of my agency is important to me. Try to imagine.

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Anonymous wrote:You mean you might have to move so you live within 2 hours of where you work.

Uprooting your life for a fed job that could easily be RIF’d is insane.

Living two hours from society and relying on remote work—with your useless federal experience and unusual degrees only qualify you for obscure federal positions that have no private-sector demand—is truly insane.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

Np. I think what many members of the public don’t see is that our fed jobs are taken with lower salary and slightly more flexibility. Most of us have spouses who are doctors, nurses or other jobs who have zero flexibility. My husband has never once been able to telework, which is why I have my current job.

Quit the whining. Nurses have the same level of education/ training and get paid a lot less than many of you and have to work the night shift and deal with people's bodily fluids. Teachers also have degrees (often graduate degrees) and have zero flexibility (as in can't be 5 minutes late so actually show up half an hour before students arrive and find it very difficult to take a day off here and there). The incessant whining of the white collar class about society going to ____ because they suddenly have less flexibility is really tone deaf and unbecoming.

12 hours between when I was informed my place of work changed and when I had to report. About four days to shift to a totally new schedule. And it's not nurses and teachers who think this is reasonable, it's maga trolls like you.

You keep repeating this. You had to have seen that changes were coming, though, right? This has been pretty well known since the election. A lot of people started preparing late last year. We changed our before/aftercare schedules and started preparing for the inevitable.

Very few people (if any) are saying these changes are reasonable. Very few people support them. You are projecting and assuming a lot

There is no way to prepare for having your duty station and hours changed with zero notice unless you are completely eliminating any need to parent. Which is not feasible for most people.

Anonymous wrote:This is why people used to live close in. Now they want to live way outside the beltway and also keep a downtown job. It’s a choice.

DP but my fed agency closed its Virginia offices (we went full telework) and then reassigned a bunch of us to a DC building. So it’s not like people chose to live far from their jobs. Not to mention fed salaries don’t pay enough for people to live close-in. Also I would never uproot for a fed job right now. Imagine selling your home, pulling your kids out of their school and activities, just to be RIF’d a month later.

The reality is what is happening today is nothing like the job or housing markets of the past and it’s really disingenuous to just blame people for not living near their work when their work is actively doing things to make them miserable. This level of antagonism from an employer is simply not the norm.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

Np. I think what many members of the public don’t see is that our fed jobs are taken with lower salary and slightly more flexibility. Most of us have spouses who are doctors, nurses or other jobs who have zero flexibility. My husband has never once been able to telework, which is why I have my current job.

Quit the whining. Nurses have the same level of education/ training and get paid a lot less than many of you and have to work the night shift and deal with people's bodily fluids. Teachers also have degrees (often graduate degrees) and have zero flexibility (as in can't be 5 minutes late so actually show up half an hour before students arrive and find it very difficult to take a day off here and there). The incessant whining of the white collar class about society going to ____ because they suddenly have less flexibility is really tone deaf and unbecoming.

12 hours between when I was informed my place of work changed and when I had to report. About four days to shift to a totally new schedule. And it's not nurses and teachers who think this is reasonable, it's maga trolls like you.

You keep repeating this. You had to have seen that changes were coming, though, right? This has been pretty well known since the election. A lot of people started preparing late last year. We changed our before/aftercare schedules and started preparing for the inevitable.

Very few people (if any) are saying these changes are reasonable. Very few people support them. You are projecting and assuming a lot

All of this.

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Anonymous wrote:You mean you might have to move so you live within 2 hours of where you work.

Uprooting your life for a fed job that could easily be RIF’d is insane.

All jobs lack security, private sector and now fed.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

Np. I think what many members of the public don’t see is that our fed jobs are taken with lower salary and slightly more flexibility. Most of us have spouses who are doctors, nurses or other jobs who have zero flexibility. My husband has never once been able to telework, which is why I have my current job.

Quit the whining. Nurses have the same level of education/ training and get paid a lot less than many of you and have to work the night shift and deal with people's bodily fluids. Teachers also have degrees (often graduate degrees) and have zero flexibility (as in can't be 5 minutes late so actually show up half an hour before students arrive and find it very difficult to take a day off here and there). The incessant whining of the white collar class about society going to ____ because they suddenly have less flexibility is really tone deaf and unbecoming.

12 hours between when I was informed my place of work changed and when I had to report. About four days to shift to a totally new schedule. And it's not nurses and teachers who think this is reasonable, it's maga trolls like you.

You keep repeating this. You had to have seen that changes were coming, though, right? This has been pretty well known since the election. A lot of people started preparing late last year. We changed our before/aftercare schedules and started preparing for the inevitable.

Very few people (if any) are saying these changes are reasonable. Very few people support them. You are projecting and assuming a lot

Anonymous wrote:You mean you might have to move so you live within 2 hours of where you work.

Uprooting your life for a fed job that could easily be RIF’d is insane.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

Np. I think what many members of the public don’t see is that our fed jobs are taken with lower salary and slightly more flexibility. Most of us have spouses who are doctors, nurses or other jobs who have zero flexibility. My husband has never once been able to telework, which is why I have my current job.

Quit the whining. Nurses have the same level of education/ training and get paid a lot less than many of you and have to work the night shift and deal with people's bodily fluids. Teachers also have degrees (often graduate degrees) and have zero flexibility (as in can't be 5 minutes late so actually show up half an hour before students arrive and find it very difficult to take a day off here and there). The incessant whining of the white collar class about society going to ____ because they suddenly have less flexibility is really tone deaf and unbecoming.

12 hours between when I was informed my place of work changed and when I had to report. About four days to shift to a totally new schedule. And it's not nurses and teachers who think this is reasonable, it's maga trolls like you.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

Np. I think what many members of the public don’t see is that our fed jobs are taken with lower salary and slightly more flexibility. Most of us have spouses who are doctors, nurses or other jobs who have zero flexibility. My husband has never once been able to telework, which is why I have my current job.

Quit the whining. Nurses have the same level of education/ training and get paid a lot less than many of you and have to work the night shift and deal with people's bodily fluids. Teachers also have degrees (often graduate degrees) and have zero flexibility (as in can't be 5 minutes late so actually show up half an hour before students arrive and find it very difficult to take a day off here and there). The incessant whining of the white collar class about society going to ____ because they suddenly have less flexibility is really tone deaf and unbecoming.

Not everyone is a nurse or a doctor. If every job was that demanding or inflexible our society would be ie totely effed. Stop being a dumbass.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

Np. I think what many members of the public don’t see is that our fed jobs are taken with lower salary and slightly more flexibility. Most of us have spouses who are doctors, nurses or other jobs who have zero flexibility. My husband has never once been able to telework, which is why I have my current job.

Quit the whining. Nurses have the same level of education/ training and get paid a lot less than many of you and have to work the night shift and deal with people's bodily fluids. Teachers also have degrees (often graduate degrees) and have zero flexibility (as in can't be 5 minutes late so actually show up half an hour before students arrive and find it very difficult to take a day off here and there). The incessant whining of the white collar class about society going to ____ because they suddenly have less flexibility is really tone deaf and unbecoming.