The Supreme Court Birthright Citizenship Case Isn't Really About Birthright Citizenship

https://www.vox.com/scotus/412035/supreme-court-birthright-citizenship-nationwide-injunctions-trump-casa

Venue shopping for favorable judges to a cause is about to end. Good. This is not what the Justice System is for.

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Anonymous wrote:The crux of this story is that this particular deportation--like so many others we have already read about--appeared to be rushed and did not follow a "meaningful process" (judge's words). The judge--by all accounts a pro-Trump judge who has come through for Trump in the past--was concerned enough about the lack of a "meaningful process" that he scheduled a hearing for May 16 to follow up on this matter. Sounds like another "oopsie it's too late" removal.

The child can come back since she is a citizen. Why do you all keep repeating lies?

I'm the pp you're responding to. Where's the lie? I just summarized the story that the PP linked. The judge was concerned and scheduled a hearing due to what the judge perceived as a lack of a "meaningful process." Where's the lie?

The lie is where you said "Sounds like another "oopsie it's too late" removal." The child went with her mother as the mother requested. She is a US citizen and can return to the US the same as any other citizen if her mother allows it. The mother can arrange for a US citizen guardian to escort her and put her on a plane back to the US today if she wanted to. Why wait until the hearing in May?

The use of "sounds like" is not a lie, it's an opinion. That opinion is based on this quoted section of the article, which gives the impression that the child and mother were taken out of the US before the judge had the opportunity to talk to the mother directly about whether she really wanted to take the child to Honduras with her. But apparently you know more than the judge--based on your years of experience as a judge.

But the Louisiana case is the latest concern by the courts that the Trump administration’s rush to carry out deportations is violating due process rights — in this case, the rights of a U.S. citizen child. Doughty said he attempted to investigate the emergency matter himself on Friday, seeking to get V.M.L.’s mother on the phone to determine whether ICE’s representation about her desire to bring V.M.L. to Honduras was accurate. The judge said he was “independently aware” that the plane he believed was carrying the family was already “above the Gulf of America.”

Play this out. Imagine if ICE had kept the child with the unrelated guardian after the dad failed to appeared as requested. Can you imagine the headlines? “Trump rips toddler from mother! The monster!”

The judge didn’t need to question this woman. She knew she was illegal and subject to deportation. Her child being American doesn’t make her a citizen.

She is an adult and made her choice to keep the child with her - I would have done the same.

Goes to show that Trump doesn't give a shit about family values. He is tearing families apart.

Huh? ICE kept mother and daughter together. You make no sense.

Anonymous wrote:The mother was being deported. She knew when she came here that was a possibility. Would you leave your child behind? The child can return.

It appears mom was not married to the dad. In Louisiana that would give her full custody. Reports say that Dad is also here illegally. So, you want the child to stay with dad until he gets deported?

Do we know which that the child was actually born in. This fact that they live in Louisiana may not automatically give sole custody to the mother if the child was born in another state with different custody laws.

The mother was being deported. She knew when she came here that was a possibility. Would you leave your child behind? The child can return.

It appears mom was not married to the dad. In Louisiana that would give her full custody. Reports say that Dad is also here illegally. So, you want the child to stay with dad until he gets deported?

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Anonymous wrote:The crux of this story is that this particular deportation--like so many others we have already read about--appeared to be rushed and did not follow a "meaningful process" (judge's words). The judge--by all accounts a pro-Trump judge who has come through for Trump in the past--was concerned enough about the lack of a "meaningful process" that he scheduled a hearing for May 16 to follow up on this matter. Sounds like another "oopsie it's too late" removal.

The child can come back since she is a citizen. Why do you all keep repeating lies?

I'm the pp you're responding to. Where's the lie? I just summarized the story that the PP linked. The judge was concerned and scheduled a hearing due to what the judge perceived as a lack of a "meaningful process." Where's the lie?

The lie is where you said "Sounds like another "oopsie it's too late" removal." The child went with her mother as the mother requested. She is a US citizen and can return to the US the same as any other citizen if her mother allows it. The mother can arrange for a US citizen guardian to escort her and put her on a plane back to the US today if she wanted to. Why wait until the hearing in May?

The use of "sounds like" is not a lie, it's an opinion. That opinion is based on this quoted section of the article, which gives the impression that the child and mother were taken out of the US before the judge had the opportunity to talk to the mother directly about whether she really wanted to take the child to Honduras with her. But apparently you know more than the judge--based on your years of experience as a judge.

But the Louisiana case is the latest concern by the courts that the Trump administration’s rush to carry out deportations is violating due process rights — in this case, the rights of a U.S. citizen child. Doughty said he attempted to investigate the emergency matter himself on Friday, seeking to get V.M.L.’s mother on the phone to determine whether ICE’s representation about her desire to bring V.M.L. to Honduras was accurate. The judge said he was “independently aware” that the plane he believed was carrying the family was already “above the Gulf of America.”

Play this out. Imagine if ICE had kept the child with the unrelated guardian after the dad failed to appeared as requested. Can you imagine the headlines? “Trump rips toddler from mother! The monster!”

The judge didn’t need to question this woman. She knew she was illegal and subject to deportation. Her child being American doesn’t make her a citizen.

She is an adult and made her choice to keep the child with her - I would have done the same.

Goes to show that Trump doesn't give a shit about family values. He is tearing families apart.

I agree with you that Trump doesn’t give a shit about family values, but can you explain what your proposed solution to this very common immigration issue (undocumented foreign nationals parent/s with an American citizen child) is? That such parents shouldn’t be subject to deportation on the basis that they have an American child? I don’t think that’s a reasonable or good policy solution.

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Anonymous wrote:The crux of this story is that this particular deportation--like so many others we have already read about--appeared to be rushed and did not follow a "meaningful process" (judge's words). The judge--by all accounts a pro-Trump judge who has come through for Trump in the past--was concerned enough about the lack of a "meaningful process" that he scheduled a hearing for May 16 to follow up on this matter. Sounds like another "oopsie it's too late" removal.

The child can come back since she is a citizen. Why do you all keep repeating lies?

I'm the pp you're responding to. Where's the lie? I just summarized the story that the PP linked. The judge was concerned and scheduled a hearing due to what the judge perceived as a lack of a "meaningful process." Where's the lie?

The lie is where you said "Sounds like another "oopsie it's too late" removal." The child went with her mother as the mother requested. She is a US citizen and can return to the US the same as any other citizen if her mother allows it. The mother can arrange for a US citizen guardian to escort her and put her on a plane back to the US today if she wanted to. Why wait until the hearing in May?

The use of "sounds like" is not a lie, it's an opinion. That opinion is based on this quoted section of the article, which gives the impression that the child and mother were taken out of the US before the judge had the opportunity to talk to the mother directly about whether she really wanted to take the child to Honduras with her. But apparently you know more than the judge--based on your years of experience as a judge.

But the Louisiana case is the latest concern by the courts that the Trump administration’s rush to carry out deportations is violating due process rights — in this case, the rights of a U.S. citizen child. Doughty said he attempted to investigate the emergency matter himself on Friday, seeking to get V.M.L.’s mother on the phone to determine whether ICE’s representation about her desire to bring V.M.L. to Honduras was accurate. The judge said he was “independently aware” that the plane he believed was carrying the family was already “above the Gulf of America.”

Play this out. Imagine if ICE had kept the child with the unrelated guardian after the dad failed to appeared as requested. Can you imagine the headlines? “Trump rips toddler from mother! The monster!”

The judge didn’t need to question this woman. She knew she was illegal and subject to deportation. Her child being American doesn’t make her a citizen.

She is an adult and made her choice to keep the child with her - I would have done the same.

Goes to show that Trump doesn't give a shit about family values. He is tearing families apart.

The rural baby to urban orphanage pipeline e is very much alive and real in various parts of Africa. The incentives are to send them to orphanages. Read legitimate sources on line!

Most of these women who come to the US are rural and have fourth to fifth grade education (standard level in those parts of Central America).

History of US taking kids and other counties cooperating with that:
Free story:
https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/spotlights/2024/widespread-adoption-fraud-separated-generations-of-korean-children-from-their-families-ap-finds/

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Anonymous wrote:Who actually has custody of this child, and are any of them US citizens?

Neither parent is a citizen

Mom had custody. Unclear if parents are married.

They should not go automatically into a US child center. Other countries have done this. Who read the recent expose’ on South Korea orphanages and the coercion there?

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Anonymous wrote:The only conclusion here is that either the child stays with her mother in Honduras or is flown back to the US.

And they likely will still deport the father. So in this case the family is fighting for family separation.

What is the best interest of the child? Raised by a foster family in the US or by her mother in Honduras? This is a determination for her mother to make.

No. The U.S. do not get to “take” the babies as a windfall.

All the wannabe moms in DC and NY would love that - but it’s not right.
Adoptions take years in the US

The baby should not be handed over to the other parent either automatically. For reference, when parents can not agree, in US, state county courts take over a year to determine custody. That is for US citizens who can not agree where the child should live; AND when they can not agree how much that child costs (cost payments are is usually a calculation set forth by each state legislature).

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Anonymous wrote:There was no order. That’s the problem. ICE just shipped her out

Without an order of deportation the child was not deported. It’s a legal document. It carries real weight. The child can come back to the U.S. whenever she chooses. Those deported don’t enjoy that privilege.

There are two problems.

One is the lack of due process.

The second is the lack of empathy of Americans.

This child probably does not have a passport for the US and probably does not have one for wherever her mother is from. So the child coming back may be possible legally but not practical.

How would you feel if you were forced to take your US citizen child with you, out of the country, with only a few minutes notice, without having time to adequately transition and prepare?

This must have been so traumatic for the children to experience, and not necessary, to deport the mom and older sister (11 year old) so urgently, without due process. The poor toddler.

Exactly. Allegedly, mother and daughters were held in a detention center. How long? How were they approached by ICE? Wearing face masks in the middle of the night and taking them with nothing but the clothes on their back? Was the mother given a grace period to prepare for deportation? What kind of shelter and provisions did they provide? How many children have to be traumatized?

A young middle schooler committed suicide not long ago.

They’re going after the low hanging fruit. Where’s the list of illegal hardened criminals? Ya know the rapists, murderers, drug cartels, “people from mental institutions and “asylums.”

Trump his cabinet, and 3 of his kids are lying criminals. Every.single.one!

Anonymous wrote:Who actually has custody of this child, and are any of them US citizens?

Neither parent is a citizen

Mom had custody. Unclear if parents are married.