Anonymous wrote:Many thanks to the sensible, informed people who came to this thread with facts and data.

To those of you obsessed with “trans”, you are the weird ones. And you’re being used to keep rich people in power who don’t care about you.

I live in what you would consider a “crazy” liberal area and I’ve raised children recently. I can count on one hand the number of trans people I know of, interacted with, or have seen in the past 10 years. Do you need a hobby? Why are you thinking about other people’s sexuality so much? It’s creepy and way more unhealthy and abnormal than what you insist is body “dysmorphia”. YOU are the freaks. Pay attention to the people telling you that they are a fraction of 1% of the population and not “taking over society” like Fox wants you to believe. Don’t let yourself be manipulated to hate people who simply want to life their life so that politicians and tech bros can get even richer.

Stop fighting the culture wars and you’ll notice this should be a class war.

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People want economic change but they don’t want illegal immigrants pouring across the border or trans swimmers setting women’s swimming records. Dems need to tack left on economics - like AOC and Bernie - but tack right on social issues - like Seth Moulten or Tester - if they want to have a hope of winning a national election.

Democrats don't want illegal immigration. Biden and Obama deported many more and legally, than Trump.
Democrats supported border reform bills that would address the many structural issues that exist. The GOP has tanked the bills every time they were offered, mostly to keep people like you angry. Sadly, their ploy worked.

This. Abortion used to be the issue republicans wanted to keep on the table. They had opportunities over the 50-year run to overturn Roe v Wade, but they didn’t want to lose their single-issue voters. But as public opinion on abortion started to shift, they knew they just needed to get it done and move on to their next boogie man issue.

And, to the original pp, do you realize what a small and rare problem trans athletes are in schools? Why shouldn’t it be handled locally? Why shouldn’t school districts be able to make the decision? There are so many variables, so shouldn’t it be on a case-by-case basis? Why do you guys want every aspect of our lives to be controlled by the federal government?

You need to get that hardly anyone agrees with the agenda that men should be able to self-identify as women. The fact that only thousands, not yet millions, of mentally ill men and boys have taken advantage of your dangerous policies changes nothing. Your policies are vile and you don't belong in power until you stop pushing them.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't vote for Trump. I voted for Harris, I even took a few weekends to bike around exurban Pennsylvania to knock on doors for Harris. I had a brief surge of enthusiasm for Harris mainly because she wasn't Biden.

That said, this time around when Trump won, my reaction was... "meh, whatever, we'll get through it." Not the outrage like I had in 2016. A part of me felt like the Democrats kind of deserved to lose, the DNC has been so cringe and awful in recent years, and though I personally lean left, I felt like the Dems had overreached on a bunch of woke stuff that most Americans don't care about. That, and a bunch of people I know who are immigrants and people of color had soured on the Democrats and had become Trump-curious for a variety of reasons, and I didn't want to be one of those whiny white liberals who thought she knew better than anyone else. On top of it all, Trump 1 wasn't as horrific as I thought he would be, he was mostly embarrassing and clownish, but the economy hummed along. His foreign policy was dumb but didn't cause outright disasters just yet. All in all, 2017-2019 weren't terrible years for the average American. So I didn't join any marches or protests or sew any pink hats or rant on social media. I figured, well, he's pushing 80, he's kind of nuts and also just lazy, maybe he'll spend his whole term just golfing and tweeting and nothing will happen.

I had no idea how wrong I would be. How horrible things would get and so quickly. It's so much worse than anyone ever expected. I am truly afraid. Everyone is worried for their lives and livelihoods. Everything is bad, everything is a mess, it's so obviously an authoritarian oligarchy and it is no longer crying wolf. It's absolutely unbelievable. I thought American democratic institutions were strong enough to withstand a madman and his cult, but apparently not.

They didn't lean so far left. Their leadership is generally left of center, normal liberals, and not progressives. You are buying into the BS if you think Biden, Harris, Schumer and Jeffries are "so far left" - they are not Bernie, and Bernie and his flank are not the leadership of the party, though Trump is certainly making AOC look damned good right now.

Then, my dear, you are truly stupid because Trump told us what he was going to. You should have paid attention!

What more could she have done? She voted for Harris and campaigned for Harris in a swing state. That does not sound like a stupid person to me.

That said I agree with OP. I think Trump is awful and I blame the Democratic Party for leaning so far left that they lost the middle and even middle right who would have voted for Harris.

I blame those who voted for Trump and didn't care what it would do to the country.

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People want economic change but they don’t want illegal immigrants pouring across the border or trans swimmers setting women’s swimming records. Dems need to tack left on economics - like AOC and Bernie - but tack right on social issues - like Seth Moulten or Tester - if they want to have a hope of winning a national election.

Democrats don't want illegal immigration. Biden and Obama deported many more and legally, than Trump.
Democrats supported border reform bills that would address the many structural issues that exist. The GOP has tanked the bills every time they were offered, mostly to keep people like you angry. Sadly, their ploy worked.

This. Abortion used to be the issue republicans wanted to keep on the table. They had opportunities over the 50-year run to overturn Roe v Wade, but they didn’t want to lose their single-issue voters. But as public opinion on abortion started to shift, they knew they just needed to get it done and move on to their next boogie man issue.

And, to the original pp, do you realize what a small and rare problem trans athletes are in schools? Why shouldn’t it be handled locally? Why shouldn’t school districts be able to make the decision? There are so many variables, so shouldn’t it be on a case-by-case basis? Why do you guys want every aspect of our lives to be controlled by the federal government?

You need to get that hardly anyone agrees with the agenda that men should be able to self-identify as women. The fact that only thousands, not yet millions, of mentally ill men and boys have taken advantage of your dangerous policies changes nothing. Your policies are vile and you don't belong in power until you stop pushing them.

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People want economic change but they don’t want illegal immigrants pouring across the border or trans swimmers setting women’s swimming records. Dems need to tack left on economics - like AOC and Bernie - but tack right on social issues - like Seth Moulten or Tester - if they want to have a hope of winning a national election.

Democrats don't want illegal immigration. Biden and Obama deported many more and legally, than Trump.
Democrats supported border reform bills that would address the many structural issues that exist. The GOP has tanked the bills every time they were offered, mostly to keep people like you angry. Sadly, their ploy worked.

This. Abortion used to be the issue republicans wanted to keep on the table. They had opportunities over the 50-year run to overturn Roe v Wade, but they didn’t want to lose their single-issue voters. But as public opinion on abortion started to shift, they knew they just needed to get it done and move on to their next boogie man issue.

And, to the original pp, do you realize what a small and rare problem trans athletes are in schools? Why shouldn’t it be handled locally? Why shouldn’t school districts be able to make the decision? There are so many variables, so shouldn’t it be on a case-by-case basis? Why do you guys want every aspect of our lives to be controlled by the federal government?

Libs like you can’t stop talking about transgenders. You’re a collaborator with the fascist transgenders that want to rewrite society to take away women’s fought rights to single sex spaces away from MEN invading them.

Collaborators like you need to go to the same therapy camps until you can be cured of your brainwashing. We don’t need transgenders spreading their delusions to our vulnerable youth.

Like I said before: you won't be happy until transgender folks are lined up against a wall and shot dead. The Democrats will never appeal to you because your ultimate preferred outcome is violence.

No one wants violence. They need to have therapy so they can be cured of dysmorphia which is a serious mental illness. While they’re getting the help they desperately need, they will need to be removed TEMPORARILY from society to keep young vulnerable children safe. Not the emphasis on temporary. This is in the best interest of society as a whole as well as these very unwell people.

For someone like you, I do think inpatient treatment could help as well because of your severe Stockholm syndrome but outpatient may work as well. Again, no one wants these people dead. No one. Your gaslighting and extremism about this will only help us continue to win.

Oh, so you want to round them all up and send them to camps? And then let doctors "cure" them? All against their will, of course.

Dude, you're a fascist. With a big capital "F". Like I said, Democrats will never appeal to you because you hate personal liberty and freedom.

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People want economic change but they don’t want illegal immigrants pouring across the border or trans swimmers setting women’s swimming records. Dems need to tack left on economics - like AOC and Bernie - but tack right on social issues - like Seth Moulten or Tester - if they want to have a hope of winning a national election.

Democrats don't want illegal immigration. Biden and Obama deported many more and legally, than Trump.
Democrats supported border reform bills that would address the many structural issues that exist. The GOP has tanked the bills every time they were offered, mostly to keep people like you angry. Sadly, their ploy worked.

This. Abortion used to be the issue republicans wanted to keep on the table. They had opportunities over the 50-year run to overturn Roe v Wade, but they didn’t want to lose their single-issue voters. But as public opinion on abortion started to shift, they knew they just needed to get it done and move on to their next boogie man issue.

And, to the original pp, do you realize what a small and rare problem trans athletes are in schools? Why shouldn’t it be handled locally? Why shouldn’t school districts be able to make the decision? There are so many variables, so shouldn’t it be on a case-by-case basis? Why do you guys want every aspect of our lives to be controlled by the federal government?

Libs like you can’t stop talking about transgenders. You’re a collaborator with the fascist transgenders that want to rewrite society to take away women’s fought rights to single sex spaces away from MEN invading them.

Collaborators like you need to go to the same therapy camps until you can be cured of your brainwashing. We don’t need transgenders spreading their delusions to our vulnerable youth.

OMG, the only people talking about transgenders are the GOP with some weird and sick fascinations about people's privacy. the only reason this is the issue that it is is because the GOP is weaponizing what is a civil rights issue that the democrats are defending. The dems are not suggesting that school administrators look into the underwear of students. The dems are not suggesting bathroom checks of students. the whole thing is sick and for what...a handful of kids nationwide, less than .0000068% of the US population.

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People want economic change but they don’t want illegal immigrants pouring across the border or trans swimmers setting women’s swimming records. Dems need to tack left on economics - like AOC and Bernie - but tack right on social issues - like Seth Moulten or Tester - if they want to have a hope of winning a national election.

Democrats don't want illegal immigration. Biden and Obama deported many more and legally, than Trump.
Democrats supported border reform bills that would address the many structural issues that exist. The GOP has tanked the bills every time they were offered, mostly to keep people like you angry. Sadly, their ploy worked.

This. Abortion used to be the issue republicans wanted to keep on the table. They had opportunities over the 50-year run to overturn Roe v Wade, but they didn’t want to lose their single-issue voters. But as public opinion on abortion started to shift, they knew they just needed to get it done and move on to their next boogie man issue.

And, to the original pp, do you realize what a small and rare problem trans athletes are in schools? Why shouldn’t it be handled locally? Why shouldn’t school districts be able to make the decision? There are so many variables, so shouldn’t it be on a case-by-case basis? Why do you guys want every aspect of our lives to be controlled by the federal government?

You are not getting the point. Dems were going up against a fascist. To beat a fascist - a supposed serious threat - you nominate the best candidate ever, not someone who is on record advocating for sending men to women’s prisons and paying for sex changes for prisoners who was such an unserious politician that she dropped out of the 2020 primaries before they even started because her own voters didn’t even like her. This is not rocket science!!!!!

Regarding the trans issue, it is a fringe issue and an overwhelming majority of voters do not want trans athletes in women’s sports or to be in women’s prisons. Advocating for the opposite view makes you look like a fringe “weirdo,”’ to quote Tim Walz. When you are trying to defeat fascism you don’t nominate someone with fringe weirdo views that aren’t shared, especially, by the working class people you are trying to court. Listen to Charlamagne, not to me.

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People want economic change but they don’t want illegal immigrants pouring across the border or trans swimmers setting women’s swimming records. Dems need to tack left on economics - like AOC and Bernie - but tack right on social issues - like Seth Moulten or Tester - if they want to have a hope of winning a national election.

Democrats don't want illegal immigration. Biden and Obama deported many more and legally, than Trump.
Democrats supported border reform bills that would address the many structural issues that exist. The GOP has tanked the bills every time they were offered, mostly to keep people like you angry. Sadly, their ploy worked.

This. Abortion used to be the issue republicans wanted to keep on the table. They had opportunities over the 50-year run to overturn Roe v Wade, but they didn’t want to lose their single-issue voters. But as public opinion on abortion started to shift, they knew they just needed to get it done and move on to their next boogie man issue.

And, to the original pp, do you realize what a small and rare problem trans athletes are in schools? Why shouldn’t it be handled locally? Why shouldn’t school districts be able to make the decision? There are so many variables, so shouldn’t it be on a case-by-case basis? Why do you guys want every aspect of our lives to be controlled by the federal government?

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't vote for Trump. I voted for Harris, I even took a few weekends to bike around exurban Pennsylvania to knock on doors for Harris. I had a brief surge of enthusiasm for Harris mainly because she wasn't Biden.

That said, this time around when Trump won, my reaction was... "meh, whatever, we'll get through it." Not the outrage like I had in 2016. A part of me felt like the Democrats kind of deserved to lose, the DNC has been so cringe and awful in recent years, and though I personally lean left, I felt like the Dems had overreached on a bunch of woke stuff that most Americans don't care about. That, and a bunch of people I know who are immigrants and people of color had soured on the Democrats and had become Trump-curious for a variety of reasons, and I didn't want to be one of those whiny white liberals who thought she knew better than anyone else. On top of it all, Trump 1 wasn't as horrific as I thought he would be, he was mostly embarrassing and clownish, but the economy hummed along. His foreign policy was dumb but didn't cause outright disasters just yet. All in all, 2017-2019 weren't terrible years for the average American. So I didn't join any marches or protests or sew any pink hats or rant on social media. I figured, well, he's pushing 80, he's kind of nuts and also just lazy, maybe he'll spend his whole term just golfing and tweeting and nothing will happen.

I had no idea how wrong I would be. How horrible things would get and so quickly. It's so much worse than anyone ever expected. I am truly afraid. Everyone is worried for their lives and livelihoods. Everything is bad, everything is a mess, it's so obviously an authoritarian oligarchy and it is no longer crying wolf. It's absolutely unbelievable. I thought American democratic institutions were strong enough to withstand a madman and his cult, but apparently not.

They didn't lean so far left. Their leadership is generally left of center, normal liberals, and not progressives. You are buying into the BS if you think Biden, Harris, Schumer and Jeffries are "so far left" - they are not Bernie, and Bernie and his flank are not the leadership of the party, though Trump is certainly making AOC look damned good right now.

Then, my dear, you are truly stupid because Trump told us what he was going to. You should have paid attention!

What more could she have done? She voted for Harris and campaigned for Harris in a swing state. That does not sound like a stupid person to me.

That said I agree with OP. I think Trump is awful and I blame the Democratic Party for leaning so far left that they lost the middle and even middle right who would have voted for Harris.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't vote for Trump. I voted for Harris, I even took a few weekends to bike around exurban Pennsylvania to knock on doors for Harris. I had a brief surge of enthusiasm for Harris mainly because she wasn't Biden.

That said, this time around when Trump won, my reaction was... "meh, whatever, we'll get through it." Not the outrage like I had in 2016. A part of me felt like the Democrats kind of deserved to lose, the DNC has been so cringe and awful in recent years, and though I personally lean left, I felt like the Dems had overreached on a bunch of woke stuff that most Americans don't care about. That, and a bunch of people I know who are immigrants and people of color had soured on the Democrats and had become Trump-curious for a variety of reasons, and I didn't want to be one of those whiny white liberals who thought she knew better than anyone else. On top of it all, Trump 1 wasn't as horrific as I thought he would be, he was mostly embarrassing and clownish, but the economy hummed along. His foreign policy was dumb but didn't cause outright disasters just yet. All in all, 2017-2019 weren't terrible years for the average American. So I didn't join any marches or protests or sew any pink hats or rant on social media. I figured, well, he's pushing 80, he's kind of nuts and also just lazy, maybe he'll spend his whole term just golfing and tweeting and nothing will happen.

I had no idea how wrong I would be. How horrible things would get and so quickly. It's so much worse than anyone ever expected. I am truly afraid. Everyone is worried for their lives and livelihoods. Everything is bad, everything is a mess, it's so obviously an authoritarian oligarchy and it is no longer crying wolf. It's absolutely unbelievable. I thought American democratic institutions were strong enough to withstand a madman and his cult, but apparently not.

They didn't lean so far left. Their leadership is generally left of center, normal liberals, and not progressives. You are buying into the BS if you think Biden, Harris, Schumer and Jeffries are "so far left" - they are not Bernie, and Bernie and his flank are not the leadership of the party, though Trump is certainly making AOC look damned good right now.

Then, my dear, you are truly stupid because Trump told us what he was going to. You should have paid attention!

What more could she have done? She voted for Harris and campaigned for Harris in a swing state. That does not sound like a stupid person to me.

That said I agree with OP. I think Trump is awful and I blame the Democratic Party for leaning so far left that they lost the middle and even middle right who would have voted for Harris.

Horse manure! Trump won 49.8 percent of the votes cast. Harris received 48.3 percent of votes cast. She lost by 1.5 percent of votes! I am sick of hearing about left leaning Dems losing the election when it was the entrenched prejudices of White men who can't bring themselves to vote for a woman of any race!

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People want economic change but they don’t want illegal immigrants pouring across the border or trans swimmers setting women’s swimming records. Dems need to tack left on economics - like AOC and Bernie - but tack right on social issues - like Seth Moulten or Tester - if they want to have a hope of winning a national election.

Democrats don't want illegal immigration. Biden and Obama deported many more and legally, than Trump.
Democrats supported border reform bills that would address the many structural issues that exist. The GOP has tanked the bills every time they were offered, mostly to keep people like you angry. Sadly, their ploy worked.

This. Abortion used to be the issue republicans wanted to keep on the table. They had opportunities over the 50-year run to overturn Roe v Wade, but they didn’t want to lose their single-issue voters. But as public opinion on abortion started to shift, they knew they just needed to get it done and move on to their next boogie man issue.

And, to the original pp, do you realize what a small and rare problem trans athletes are in schools? Why shouldn’t it be handled locally? Why shouldn’t school districts be able to make the decision? There are so many variables, so shouldn’t it be on a case-by-case basis? Why do you guys want every aspect of our lives to be controlled by the federal government?

Libs like you can’t stop talking about transgenders. You’re a collaborator with the fascist transgenders that want to rewrite society to take away women’s fought rights to single sex spaces away from MEN invading them.

Collaborators like you need to go to the same therapy camps until you can be cured of your brainwashing. We don’t need transgenders spreading their delusions to our vulnerable youth.

Like I said before: you won't be happy until transgender folks are lined up against a wall and shot dead. The Democrats will never appeal to you because your ultimate preferred outcome is violence.

No one wants violence. They need to have therapy so they can be cured of dysmorphia which is a serious mental illness. While they’re getting the help they desperately need, they will need to be removed TEMPORARILY from society to keep young vulnerable children safe. Not the emphasis on temporary. This is in the best interest of society as a whole as well as these very unwell people.

For someone like you, I do think inpatient treatment could help as well because of your severe Stockholm syndrome but outpatient may work as well. Again, no one wants these people dead. No one. Your gaslighting and extremism about this will only help us continue to win.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't vote for Trump. I voted for Harris, I even took a few weekends to bike around exurban Pennsylvania to knock on doors for Harris. I had a brief surge of enthusiasm for Harris mainly because she wasn't Biden.

That said, this time around when Trump won, my reaction was... "meh, whatever, we'll get through it." Not the outrage like I had in 2016. A part of me felt like the Democrats kind of deserved to lose, the DNC has been so cringe and awful in recent years, and though I personally lean left, I felt like the Dems had overreached on a bunch of woke stuff that most Americans don't care about. That, and a bunch of people I know who are immigrants and people of color had soured on the Democrats and had become Trump-curious for a variety of reasons, and I didn't want to be one of those whiny white liberals who thought she knew better than anyone else. On top of it all, Trump 1 wasn't as horrific as I thought he would be, he was mostly embarrassing and clownish, but the economy hummed along. His foreign policy was dumb but didn't cause outright disasters just yet. All in all, 2017-2019 weren't terrible years for the average American. So I didn't join any marches or protests or sew any pink hats or rant on social media. I figured, well, he's pushing 80, he's kind of nuts and also just lazy, maybe he'll spend his whole term just golfing and tweeting and nothing will happen.

I had no idea how wrong I would be. How horrible things would get and so quickly. It's so much worse than anyone ever expected. I am truly afraid. Everyone is worried for their lives and livelihoods. Everything is bad, everything is a mess, it's so obviously an authoritarian oligarchy and it is no longer crying wolf. It's absolutely unbelievable. I thought American democratic institutions were strong enough to withstand a madman and his cult, but apparently not.

They didn't lean so far left. Their leadership is generally left of center, normal liberals, and not progressives. You are buying into the BS if you think Biden, Harris, Schumer and Jeffries are "so far left" - they are not Bernie, and Bernie and his flank are not the leadership of the party, though Trump is certainly making AOC look damned good right now.

Then, my dear, you are truly stupid because Trump told us what he was going to. You should have paid attention!

What more could she have done? She voted for Harris and campaigned for Harris in a swing state. That does not sound like a stupid person to me.

That said I agree with OP. I think Trump is awful and I blame the Democratic Party for leaning so far left that they lost the middle and even middle right who would have voted for Harris.

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People want economic change but they don’t want illegal immigrants pouring across the border or trans swimmers setting women’s swimming records. Dems need to tack left on economics - like AOC and Bernie - but tack right on social issues - like Seth Moulten or Tester - if they want to have a hope of winning a national election.

Democrats don't want illegal immigration. Biden and Obama deported many more and legally, than Trump.
Democrats supported border reform bills that would address the many structural issues that exist. The GOP has tanked the bills every time they were offered, mostly to keep people like you angry. Sadly, their ploy worked.

This. Abortion used to be the issue republicans wanted to keep on the table. They had opportunities over the 50-year run to overturn Roe v Wade, but they didn’t want to lose their single-issue voters. But as public opinion on abortion started to shift, they knew they just needed to get it done and move on to their next boogie man issue.

And, to the original pp, do you realize what a small and rare problem trans athletes are in schools? Why shouldn’t it be handled locally? Why shouldn’t school districts be able to make the decision? There are so many variables, so shouldn’t it be on a case-by-case basis? Why do you guys want every aspect of our lives to be controlled by the federal government?

Libs like you can’t stop talking about transgenders. You’re a collaborator with the fascist transgenders that want to rewrite society to take away women’s fought rights to single sex spaces away from MEN invading them.

Collaborators like you need to go to the same therapy camps until you can be cured of your brainwashing. We don’t need transgenders spreading their delusions to our vulnerable youth.

Like I said before: you won't be happy until transgender folks are lined up against a wall and shot dead. The Democrats will never appeal to you because your ultimate preferred outcome is violence.

Anonymous wrote:Trump is the only president who can cut deficit spending and finally reduce national debt.

We are paying almost one trillion dollars only in interest every single year and our country is not sustainable without meaningful cuts to spending and no politician is up to the job. Trump is willing to tak a bullet to accomplish such cuts even in the facw of swamp creatures striking back to continue the decades long grift.