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Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

No one in my family who voted for Trump owns any stocks

For all the rich Democrats panicking today- you now know how it must have felt

When Jimmy Carter destroyed 400,000 trucking jobs

When Bill Clinton signed NAFTA, shipping jobs to Mexico and Canada, causing industry to board up in the middle of the country, left to rot

When he deregulated the finance industry and lead us to the 2008 housing crisis

And

When Obama told us: “sorry, some jobs just aren’t coming back”

If you see this post, I hope you look in the mirror at some point today and recognize the destruction your own party has played in the lives of working class Americans

This is what liberation day is all about

No one is going to weep for your stock portfolio

Where were you when we lost our American dream?

This is the biggest block of schlock I have ever read.

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Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

No one in my family who voted for Trump owns any stocks

For all the rich Democrats panicking today- you now know how it must have felt

When Jimmy Carter destroyed 400,000 trucking jobs

When Bill Clinton signed NAFTA, shipping jobs to Mexico and Canada, causing industry to board up in the middle of the country, left to rot

When he deregulated the finance industry and lead us to the 2008 housing crisis

And

When Obama told us: “sorry, some jobs just aren’t coming back”

If you see this post, I hope you look in the mirror at some point today and recognize the destruction your own party has played in the lives of working class Americans

This is what liberation day is all about

No one is going to weep for your stock portfolio

Where were you when we lost our American dream?

Republicans own stock too. Republicans have never cared about the working class. Trump certainly doesn’t. He’s always manufactured overseas. Prices are going up for everybody. If you’re going to whine, at least inform yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

My family buys American-made goods whenever we can because we are a union family. For example, we only buy American cars. In that respect, we are more patriotic than most MAGA who purport to be more patriotic than anyone else. But the vast majority of Americans are so used to all the cheap crap they buy at Target, Amazon, Walmart, and the like that your "dream" will never be a reality. Our whole economy is BASED ON consumer consumption of lots of cheap crap. What do you think is going to replace that? You can't put the genie back in the bottle and start asking people to buy things that will cost "5-10x more" as you blithely suggest.

Of course the goal isn’t to replace the cheap crap. The new economy will be based on consumer consumption of few good quality stuffs. Yes, you can ask people to buy things that will cost more. They have no other choices because the cheap crap will be gone. Older generations did it and life was good in America.

As a minimalist this is the only upside I see. I absolutely hate cheap plastic crap in goodie bags, fast fashion, the dollar section at Target, any sort of “shopping spree,” etc.

But I grew up in a red state and know many Trumpers who are all about new new new tchotchkes. Must have Home Goods holiday decor, Hobby Lobby signs, Target and Starbies runs, etc.

My life will plug along just fine without all this crap. I already have nice hand me downs for my kids (I live in a $$$ zip code where people give away quality kids clothes), I buy natural fiber eco-friendly clothes (I prefer fewer nicer items), and I don’t do cheap plastic junk. But boy are these moms who love to share their “hauls” and presents piled under the Christmas tree on social media going to have an identity crisis lol.

Alllllll those Utah Mormon shopping influencers and wanna be influencers are going to be upset when clothes and seasonal doo dads are no longer dirt cheap.

Also the tariffs have already affected the price and availability of the new Nintendo Switch 2 (assembled mostly in Vietnam) so that’s another big thing. Maybe younger people will finally start paying attention.

Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

No one in my family who voted for Trump owns any stocks

For all the rich Democrats panicking today- you now know how it must have felt

When Jimmy Carter destroyed 400,000 trucking jobs

When Bill Clinton signed NAFTA, shipping jobs to Mexico and Canada, causing industry to board up in the middle of the country, left to rot

When he deregulated the finance industry and lead us to the 2008 housing crisis

And

When Obama told us: “sorry, some jobs just aren’t coming back”

If you see this post, I hope you look in the mirror at some point today and recognize the destruction your own party has played in the lives of working class Americans

This is what liberation day is all about

No one is going to weep for your stock portfolio

Where were you when we lost our American dream?

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Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

My family buys American-made goods whenever we can because we are a union family. For example, we only buy American cars. In that respect, we are more patriotic than most MAGA who purport to be more patriotic than anyone else. But the vast majority of Americans are so used to all the cheap crap they buy at Target, Amazon, Walmart, and the like that your "dream" will never be a reality. Our whole economy is BASED ON consumer consumption of lots of cheap crap. What do you think is going to replace that? You can't put the genie back in the bottle and start asking people to buy things that will cost "5-10x more" as you blithely suggest.

Of course the goal isn’t to replace the cheap crap. The new economy will be based on consumer consumption of few good quality stuffs. Yes, you can ask people to buy things that will cost more. They have no other choices because the cheap crap will be gone. Older generations did it and life was good in America.

As a minimalist this is the only upside I see. I absolutely hate cheap plastic crap in goodie bags, fast fashion, the dollar section at Target, any sort of “shopping spree,” etc.

But I grew up in a red state and know many Trumpers who are all about new new new tchotchkes. Must have Home Goods holiday decor, Hobby Lobby signs, Target and Starbies runs, etc.

My life will plug along just fine without all this crap. I already have nice hand me downs for my kids (I live in a $$$ zip code where people give away quality kids clothes), I buy natural fiber eco-friendly clothes (I prefer fewer nicer items), and I don’t do cheap plastic junk. But boy are these moms who love to share their “hauls” and presents piled under the Christmas tree on social media going to have an identity crisis lol.

+1. I love that Amazon will be affected since 75% of the offerings are cheap crap.

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Anonymous wrote:Americans who voted for Trump have long been coddled and that makes them stupid & gullible.

+1 agree. I stated this before: Americans have no idea what it's like to live under a dictatorship. They don't know what that looks like, and so they don't see the insidiousness of this administration. They've also become used to buying cheap stuff, and lots of it . They think they deserve all of that. Most of the world don't live like that.

-Former R

One of the few things that’s going to get me through is knowing there are a lot of MAGA that are about to get an extremely painful education in how bad life is like in an autocratic hellhole. Maybe it will make them appreciate what we had. But more likely, they won’t survive long enough to reflect. Most people don’t have $400 for an emergency- where are they going to get an extra $100 for their monthly shopping once the credit cards are turned off?

America has its problems, but we still live better than the vast majority of the rest of the planet. There is a reason millions of people try to come here, legally and illegally.

Well border crossings are significantly down. We are so hellbent on making America a fascist and inhospitable place to live that we’re willing to spiral into a technocracy just to keep the “poor brown people” away.

We are not going to be living better than many other first world countries. We’ll lose our cutting edge with scientific research all for the “dream” of manufacturing crap in the US that no one can afford anyway. While our billionaire overlords cut Medicaid, SS, and other social safety supports.

Yay, so much winning!

We are already not living better than many other first world countries. It just hasn't trickled up to the upper middle class yet.

Our life expectancy isn't keeping pace and we have the worst maternal and infant mortality rate in the developed world. Those are major indicators of decline.

Or, being on the computer typing all day and eating junk from restaurants may be the problem.

If you want to figure out infant mortality, be my guest. Eighteen cents of every dollar spent in the USA is spent on health care, so you tell us.

Just don't tell us we need to spend even more on it. Nope.

The defensiveness upon being told you're not #1 is astounding.

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Anonymous wrote:Americans who voted for Trump have long been coddled and that makes them stupid & gullible.

+1 agree. I stated this before: Americans have no idea what it's like to live under a dictatorship. They don't know what that looks like, and so they don't see the insidiousness of this administration. They've also become used to buying cheap stuff, and lots of it . They think they deserve all of that. Most of the world don't live like that.

-Former R

One of the few things that’s going to get me through is knowing there are a lot of MAGA that are about to get an extremely painful education in how bad life is like in an autocratic hellhole. Maybe it will make them appreciate what we had. But more likely, they won’t survive long enough to reflect. Most people don’t have $400 for an emergency- where are they going to get an extra $100 for their monthly shopping once the credit cards are turned off?

America has its problems, but we still live better than the vast majority of the rest of the planet. There is a reason millions of people try to come here, legally and illegally.

Well border crossings are significantly down. We are so hellbent on making America a fascist and inhospitable place to live that we’re willing to spiral into a technocracy just to keep the “poor brown people” away.

We are not going to be living better than many other first world countries. We’ll lose our cutting edge with scientific research all for the “dream” of manufacturing crap in the US that no one can afford anyway. While our billionaire overlords cut Medicaid, SS, and other social safety supports.

Yay, so much winning!

We are already not living better than many other first world countries. It just hasn't trickled up to the upper middle class yet.

Our life expectancy isn't keeping pace and we have the worst maternal and infant mortality rate in the developed world. Those are major indicators of decline.

Or, being on the computer typing all day and eating junk from restaurants may be the problem.

If you want to figure out infant mortality, be my guest. Eighteen cents of every dollar spent in the USA is spent on health care, so you tell us.

Just don't tell us we need to spend even more on it. Nope.

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Anonymous wrote:Americans who voted for Trump have long been coddled and that makes them stupid & gullible.

+1 agree. I stated this before: Americans have no idea what it's like to live under a dictatorship. They don't know what that looks like, and so they don't see the insidiousness of this administration. They've also become used to buying cheap stuff, and lots of it . They think they deserve all of that. Most of the world don't live like that.

-Former R

One of the few things that’s going to get me through is knowing there are a lot of MAGA that are about to get an extremely painful education in how bad life is like in an autocratic hellhole. Maybe it will make them appreciate what we had. But more likely, they won’t survive long enough to reflect. Most people don’t have $400 for an emergency- where are they going to get an extra $100 for their monthly shopping once the credit cards are turned off?

America has its problems, but we still live better than the vast majority of the rest of the planet. There is a reason millions of people try to come here, legally and illegally.

Well border crossings are significantly down. We are so hellbent on making America a fascist and inhospitable place to live that we’re willing to spiral into a technocracy just to keep the “poor brown people” away.

We are not going to be living better than many other first world countries. We’ll lose our cutting edge with scientific research all for the “dream” of manufacturing crap in the US that no one can afford anyway. While our billionaire overlords cut Medicaid, SS, and other social safety supports.

Yay, so much winning!

We are already not living better than many other first world countries. It just hasn't trickled up to the upper middle class yet.

Our life expectancy isn't keeping pace and we have the worst maternal and infant mortality rate in the developed world. Those are major indicators of decline.

Anonymous wrote:You are only kinda right. America is good for your type A start up guy who loves $. Truly perfect country of opportunity and innovation.

For anyone who just wants to live their life in a balanced way it's hard. There's nothing to help a family, healthcare sucks and is only good with $, it's all about competition. If you've ever been to another country you'll find much more of a holistic living experience.

America is def great if you live in a poor, violent undeveloped country of course! But that's like comparing a C student to one that's always failing and in trouble. If you compare A to C student which would you really want? America is that C student when you consider all the intangibles that go to living. We have a lot of options but it's about money.

This is a great observation.

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Anonymous wrote:Americans who voted for Trump have long been coddled and that makes them stupid & gullible.

+1 agree. I stated this before: Americans have no idea what it's like to live under a dictatorship. They don't know what that looks like, and so they don't see the insidiousness of this administration. They've also become used to buying cheap stuff, and lots of it . They think they deserve all of that. Most of the world don't live like that.

-Former R

+1. We lived overseas as expats for many years. I remember living in Austria and being struck by how expensive things like a decent quality winter coat were. Like Eddie Bauer or LL Bean level, not designer. This was true of most goods like clothing, furniture, appliances, etc. Once you realized that most people had one good winter coat and they'd wear it for several years you also realized that's why they only came in black.

Americans are immature. They want everything for nothing and want to demonize the people that provide it.

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Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

My family buys American-made goods whenever we can because we are a union family. For example, we only buy American cars. In that respect, we are more patriotic than most MAGA who purport to be more patriotic than anyone else. But the vast majority of Americans are so used to all the cheap crap they buy at Target, Amazon, Walmart, and the like that your "dream" will never be a reality. Our whole economy is BASED ON consumer consumption of lots of cheap crap. What do you think is going to replace that? You can't put the genie back in the bottle and start asking people to buy things that will cost "5-10x more" as you blithely suggest.

Of course the goal isn’t to replace the cheap crap. The new economy will be based on consumer consumption of few good quality stuffs. Yes, you can ask people to buy things that will cost more. They have no other choices because the cheap crap will be gone. Older generations did it and life was good in America.

As a minimalist this is the only upside I see. I absolutely hate cheap plastic crap in goodie bags, fast fashion, the dollar section at Target, any sort of “shopping spree,” etc.

But I grew up in a red state and know many Trumpers who are all about new new new tchotchkes. Must have Home Goods holiday decor, Hobby Lobby signs, Target and Starbies runs, etc.

My life will plug along just fine without all this crap. I already have nice hand me downs for my kids (I live in a $$$ zip code where people give away quality kids clothes), I buy natural fiber eco-friendly clothes (I prefer fewer nicer items), and I don’t do cheap plastic junk. But boy are these moms who love to share their “hauls” and presents piled under the Christmas tree on social media going to have an identity crisis lol.

+1 it’s going to be incessant whining when the price of cheap junk goes up. Just like when dollar tree went up in price. All of that stuff in five below and dollar tree is probably about to go up in price.

Heeheehee enjoy your “new economy”. God, some of you are so freakin’ stupid you really deserve every bad thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

I am down with that because I have a HHI of 800k, I bought all my furniture from North Carolina, I buy lots of American made things from small businesses on Etsy. I just don’t know if majority of Americans have room in their budgets to accommodate 5x to 10x price increases but maybe you know mostly wealthy people and it won’t be that big an issue for them.

It wasn’t a big issue before Chinese made products started flooding our stores.
It will hurt customers but they will adapt.

If by “adapt”, you mean suffer a lower quality of life and scramble to avoid degradation to poverty, then yes, people will adapt. The average family will pay ~$4k a year immediately to increased tariffs. But it’s not just the $4k.

Because of the $4k, they decided not to buy a new air conditioner and now they are dealing with repair bills, increased energy costs due to the inefficient unit, a day or two off work to wait for the repair person. Because of the $4k, they decided to eat more hot dogs instead of organic chicken, impacting everyone’s health. Because of the $4k, they decided to hold off on signing up Larlo for piano lessons, which he loved. Because of the $4k, they decided not hold off on foundation repairs, and now there is water in the basement.

This isn’t a modular economy. Everything affects everything. Even if you think you are buying “American”, you are not. Ford is way down the list of American made, below at least 20 Japanese/korean models. The North Carolina furniture maker is probably importing fabric from china and sending it to South America to be sewn. What is unsaid is that the “glory days” of American manufacturing happened without OSHA, and often on the backs of criminally low wages for Black Americans, immigrants, and even children.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/2025-02/MY2025-AALA-Percentage-2.4.25.pdf

Anonymous wrote: I dont understand how people van seriously consider "bringing back manufacturing", including all the low-value stuff made in Asia, to be a worthy goal. The fact that they are manufactured there is not here has been good for everyone: low wages, factory emissions, etc. Why do we want to go backwards/ down in the value chain?

Germany, for example, is a manufacturing country and a net exporter. But they dont produce plastic toys etc, but cars, heavy machinery and other sophisticated goods.

They want to take us back to the good ole days when women and children worked in unventilated and unsafe factories.

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Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

My family buys American-made goods whenever we can because we are a union family. For example, we only buy American cars. In that respect, we are more patriotic than most MAGA who purport to be more patriotic than anyone else. But the vast majority of Americans are so used to all the cheap crap they buy at Target, Amazon, Walmart, and the like that your "dream" will never be a reality. Our whole economy is BASED ON consumer consumption of lots of cheap crap. What do you think is going to replace that? You can't put the genie back in the bottle and start asking people to buy things that will cost "5-10x more" as you blithely suggest.

Of course the goal isn’t to replace the cheap crap. The new economy will be based on consumer consumption of few good quality stuffs. Yes, you can ask people to buy things that will cost more. They have no other choices because the cheap crap will be gone. Older generations did it and life was good in America.

As a minimalist this is the only upside I see. I absolutely hate cheap plastic crap in goodie bags, fast fashion, the dollar section at Target, any sort of “shopping spree,” etc.

But I grew up in a red state and know many Trumpers who are all about new new new tchotchkes. Must have Home Goods holiday decor, Hobby Lobby signs, Target and Starbies runs, etc.

My life will plug along just fine without all this crap. I already have nice hand me downs for my kids (I live in a $$$ zip code where people give away quality kids clothes), I buy natural fiber eco-friendly clothes (I prefer fewer nicer items), and I don’t do cheap plastic junk. But boy are these moms who love to share their “hauls” and presents piled under the Christmas tree on social media going to have an identity crisis lol.