She should skip W&M

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Anonymous wrote:She went on a tour with a family friend who wanted to apply there and loved the campus + students.

It's a total gem of a school. If she's dead-set on the BME piece of things, it might not be exactly the right fit, but if she's flexible, it's a really incredible place, and could be wonderful. With those stats, did she get Monroe, by any chance?

Yes she did! Was a nice result in the middle of all her disappointment.

Anonymous wrote:She went on a tour with a family friend who wanted to apply there and loved the campus + students.

It's a total gem of a school. If she's dead-set on the BME piece of things, it might not be exactly the right fit, but if she's flexible, it's a really incredible place, and could be wonderful. With those stats, did she get Monroe, by any chance?

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]That's tough, and I can see why you're upset. Having said that, Pitt is the clear choice. It's an amazing school, and your daughter would thrive there in the biomed program.[/quote]

Yeah, she's definitely leaning towards Pitt right now - Friends have told us that their BME program is great. We're planning to make a visit soon to get more of a feel (and we've never been to the city itself).[/quote]

Hi OP - I am the Pitt-Michigan PP from this recent thread. I have some sightseeing suggestions and thoughts about CMU on that thread. Maybe your daughter might be the rare student who wants to take a class up the street.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1266599.page

I would suggest that if your daughter is still very unsatisfied with her outcomes that you work the WL for Cornell and CMU as best you can. Several Cornell colleges offer sophomore transfer options to their WL people who hang on to the bitter end. And, if your daughter is at Pitt, she can move up the road to CMU and still keep her friends from first year at Pitt. Pitt and CMU are different social ecosystems mainly due to convenience but are not that far by free bus or walking if it is important to do so.

You might want to look at this Reddit thread about transferring to CMU for some general comments about the process in 3 schools (business but also engineering and architecture).

https://www.reddit.com/r/cmu/comments/13m2g6o/transfer_student_with_tons_of_questions/

The top kids from Pitt do very well at getting grad school placements and the really top ones do well in national and international fellowship competitions. So I would take into consideration whether your daughter might prefer to be a "big fish" at Pitt or a "small fish" elsewhere. Some people are internally motivated and some require the toughest peer competition possible.[/quote]

Thank you! Definitely lots to think about. She's definitely been a "big fish" at her school but might want more of a challenge.

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a troll.

OP writes,
Results:
JHU EA - Deferred -> Rejected

John Hopkins doesn't have Early Action they only have Early Decision I and Early Decision II

Yes, I clearly meant to write ED. She applied ED2.

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Anonymous wrote:Call me crazy, but personally, I think schools see kids with 15 APs (all 5s) and think "she'll graduate early so that's a year less of tuition." It's a business.

Hmm, this does make quite a bit of sense. I actually thought that all her APs would give her a boost, especially with her scores.

This actually makes no sense because most of these schools are privates won't allow more than a couple of courses for credit so she would be going all 4 years anyway. The APs are only useful for demonstrating rigor and for course placement.

Yes, but UVA accepts AP credits - We were the most surprised with this WL. Did not expect it at all.

I can see that, that one surprised me a bit as well.

Pitt, VT, and W&M are all excellent schools. She will 100% find her people.

VT's admitted student days are April 14–18 and 21–25, with more info here: https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/visit/high-school-spring-break/schedule.html

W&M's Day For Admitted Students is April 12th, with more info in her portal.

Pitt has an admitted student day on Monday, April 14th.

She should go to all three and see where she connects the most with the students and faculty.

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Anonymous wrote:She was WL at UVA because she applied RD, it’s much more competitive in RD, especially from NOVA and since she didn’t apply Early Action (with all of her classmates who apply ED elsewhere) she was signaling that she wasn’t really that interested in UVA.

So much about this reads as a troll post---with a lot of energy to keep coming back with updates.

If a school has EA, you must do EA. It is not binding, it just means you get your application in by Nov1/15 and get a result typically by mid February/late February. It signals to a university that you have your act together and know you want to attend. If you wait until RD, well by then you are AFTER ED1/ED2 and EA. So the school has already picked the vast majority of their freshman class. You could have done EA, you chose not to. Not a smart choice

Because she wasn't interested in UVA, she preferred to go OOS. She thought that she had a high chance with RD and wanted to focus on the rest of her applications. JHU has been her dream school for a very long time - We know it's very competitive, but she still thought she had a chance. And yes, I'm definitely spending my Tuesday evening on here "trolling" instead of asking for advice/support from those of us in a similar situation - Please think of more original insults.

What prevented an ED application to JHU?

She did apply to JHU ED - Did I accidentally write EA in the OP?

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+1

Especially students who are "that smart"

And if they are truly that naive, well then they did this to themselves. It's not a balanced list of schools at all. And if she wants BME, why is W&M? Very few kids do a 3+2 program, because nobody wants to leave their college after 3 years and go somewhere different.

It's unfortunate, because there are many many many excellent engineering schools in the 30-70 range, many that would have given her $$$ as well.
For example:
Case
URochester
WPI
RPI
NEU (tough admit, but might have given her NUIn or Global Scholars with those stats)

Had she shown interest, she would have gotten into all of those except NEU---that is the only Reach.

W&M was at at the bottom of her list but chose to apply because Columbia really appealed to her.

So in 3 years she can compete again and hope to get into Columbia Engineering of the last 2 years. In most 3+2 programs, the Engineering Part (ie Columbia) is NOT guaranteed. You still have to be accepted (and most are not).

I still think you are a teenage troll with a lot of free time right now. Because nobody who knows they want BME as a major is going to attend W&M in hopes of getting into a 3+2 program. They would be applying to schools with an actual BME program.

I don't think I made it clear, but W&M was more of a "shotgun" application - She went on a tour with a family friend who wanted to apply there and loved the campus + students. And Columbia has been one of her top schools for quite a while.

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Anonymous wrote:She was WL at UVA because she applied RD, it’s much more competitive in RD, especially from NOVA and since she didn’t apply Early Action (with all of her classmates who apply ED elsewhere) she was signaling that she wasn’t really that interested in UVA.

So much about this reads as a troll post---with a lot of energy to keep coming back with updates.

If a school has EA, you must do EA. It is not binding, it just means you get your application in by Nov1/15 and get a result typically by mid February/late February. It signals to a university that you have your act together and know you want to attend. If you wait until RD, well by then you are AFTER ED1/ED2 and EA. So the school has already picked the vast majority of their freshman class. You could have done EA, you chose not to. Not a smart choice

Because she wasn't interested in UVA, she preferred to go OOS. She thought that she had a high chance with RD and wanted to focus on the rest of her applications. JHU has been her dream school for a very long time - We know it's very competitive, but she still thought she had a chance. And yes, I'm definitely spending my Tuesday evening on here "trolling" instead of asking for advice/support from those of us in a similar situation - Please think of more original insults.

What prevented an ED application to JHU?

I think this is a troll.

OP writes,
Results:
JHU EA - Deferred -> Rejected

John Hopkins doesn't have Early Action they only have Early Decision I and Early Decision II

Anonymous wrote:That's tough, and I can see why you're upset. Having said that, Pitt is the clear choice. It's an amazing school, and your daughter would thrive there in the biomed program.

Pitt has rebanded from a commuter school in the 80s to become second to JHU for biomed (tho public) these days (who knows how long that will last). They love students from TJ in VA. There could be different reasons, one could have come down to your geographic location and the HS your kid attends. Are there many students who applied to those same or similar colleges?

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Anonymous wrote:
+1

Especially students who are "that smart"

And if they are truly that naive, well then they did this to themselves. It's not a balanced list of schools at all. And if she wants BME, why is W&M? Very few kids do a 3+2 program, because nobody wants to leave their college after 3 years and go somewhere different.

It's unfortunate, because there are many many many excellent engineering schools in the 30-70 range, many that would have given her $$$ as well.
For example:
Case
URochester
WPI
RPI
NEU (tough admit, but might have given her NUIn or Global Scholars with those stats)

Had she shown interest, she would have gotten into all of those except NEU---that is the only Reach.

W&M was at at the bottom of her list but chose to apply because Columbia really appealed to her.

So in 3 years she can compete again and hope to get into Columbia Engineering of the last 2 years. In most 3+2 programs, the Engineering Part (ie Columbia) is NOT guaranteed. You still have to be accepted (and most are not).

I still think you are a teenage troll with a lot of free time right now. Because nobody who knows they want BME as a major is going to attend W&M in hopes of getting into a 3+2 program. They would be applying to schools with an actual BME program.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]That's tough, and I can see why you're upset. Having said that, Pitt is the clear choice. It's an amazing school, and your daughter would thrive there in the biomed program.[/quote]

Yeah, she's definitely leaning towards Pitt right now - Friends have told us that their BME program is great. We're planning to make a visit soon to get more of a feel (and we've never been to the city itself).[/quote]

Hi OP - I am the Pitt-Michigan PP from this recent thread. I have some sightseeing suggestions and thoughts about CMU on that thread. Maybe your daughter might be the rare student who wants to take a class up the street.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1266599.page

I would suggest that if your daughter is still very unsatisfied with her outcomes that you work the WL for Cornell and CMU as best you can. Several Cornell colleges offer sophomore transfer options to their WL people who hang on to the bitter end. And, if your daughter is at Pitt, she can move up the road to CMU and still keep her friends from first year at Pitt. Pitt and CMU are different social ecosystems mainly due to convenience but are not that far by free bus or walking if it is important to do so.

You might want to look at this Reddit thread about transferring to CMU for some general comments about the process in 3 schools (business but also engineering and architecture).

https://www.reddit.com/r/cmu/comments/13m2g6o/transfer_student_with_tons_of_questions/

The top kids from Pitt do very well at getting grad school placements and the really top ones do well in national and international fellowship competitions. So I would take into consideration whether your daughter might prefer to be a "big fish" at Pitt or a "small fish" elsewhere. Some people are internally motivated and some require the toughest peer competition possible.[/quote

Thank you! Definitely lots to think about. She's definitely been a "big fish" at her school but might want more of a challenge.

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Anonymous wrote:This has to be fake. People cannot be this naive.

+100
How utterly ridiculous - she "thought she had it in the bag."

Right? Who thinks like this?

In her position, how would you not think that you had at least VT + UNC CH in the bag? I'm obviously not referring to the Ivies/higher-ranking schools...

She was accepted at VT. Chapel Hill has an 8 percent acceptance rate for OOS. It also sounds like she is at a NoVa public with grade inflation.

Again with the public grade inflation crap. I’m sure she had more 5s on APs than your kid.
So freaking over the assumptions!

It’s not a knock on your kid. Grad inflation buries the extraordinary kid among the ordinary kids because they all have the same gpas. I don’t understand why parents don’t complain more about this.

The point is YOU HAVE NO IDEA.
Bless your heart. Worried about our poor public school kids! Don’t worry - they distinguish themselves with activities, service, sports….gasp! Just like private school kiddies.

(Not OP)

If that were true, this post would not exist.