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Anonymous wrote:OP, what are they saying people should protest? This thread is very unclear. What is it that people are supposed to be worked up about now?

The country voted for Trump and wanted this. I don’t know why some on the left are projecting their outrage on the country. Most Trump voters and Americans are not angry with trump

That’s a tiny crowd of people.

On one hand, I agree that Americans who oppose this need to get their acts together. I think sustained nationwide strikes are the only way. Pilots, truck drivers, TSA, nurses, teachers … could shut the country down if they want to. Collectively we could do it, but sadly collectivism is not an American trait.

This will be our downfall.

On the other hand, our society is set up so that Americans live in fear. We fear losing our jobs because our jobs give us access to healthcare. We fear people with guns. Trump is programming us to fear brown people.

Our collective fear means we’re afraid to strike.

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Anonymous wrote:All my trips to Europe since January, the most common sentiment is that they wish a Trump-like leader would help them with their immigration issues. They are envious of a leader who actually gets things done

Since January, I have been in Hungary, Austria, and the UK. Absolutely none of the locals with whom I spoke have thought that Trump was a good thing for the US.

seriously- i live in Switzerland (arguably one of the most conservative countries in europe) and even my hairdresser was like why?????? honestly polotocs aside, he is ANCIENT. and they rember J6. they think of americans the way we think of Floridians.

The real answer is because Social Media. Europe was better about holding it back than we were.

oh and its not just Trump, i think i was getting a bit annoyed by all the anti-trump discussion at a gathering and was like why do you people care, we dont care about your (swiss) elections and someone- brit/scandi national mix bluntly said- b/c the Swiss know how to BEHAVE. and everyone basically was like americans are always having drama and tantrums and have been ever since the cold war ended.

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Anonymous wrote:All my trips to Europe since January, the most common sentiment is that they wish a Trump-like leader would help them with their immigration issues. They are envious of a leader who actually gets things done

Since January, I have been in Hungary, Austria, and the UK. Absolutely none of the locals with whom I spoke have thought that Trump was a good thing for the US.

seriously- i live in Switzerland (arguably one of the most conservative countries in europe) and even my hairdresser was like why?????? honestly polotocs aside, he is ANCIENT. and they rember J6. they think of americans the way we think of Floridians.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been in london, France and Germany and everyone wants to talk politics and every single person has the same q: why are Americans not at very least protesting if not striking or rioting in the streets. I don’t know, bc I grew up in the uk where we do strike and protest I think more, what to tell them. Why aren’t we? Why are we just rolling over and letting Trump do this to our country?

Actually I was reading an article last night that showed a lot of large protests going on that the media is not covering.....I wonder why This is from Hitler play book.....create the narrative and keep media in line. People need to wake up and yes we need to get bigger and louder.

This. A huge number of people are protesting but ever since Vietnam protests are no longer covered in the media. Hundreds of thousands of people protested the invasion of Iraq, but the media ignored it.

Hundreds of thousands are protesting now (if you add up the demonstrations all over the country) but the media isn't covering it.

Also, one national demonstration with hundreds of thousands of people protesting takes months to organize, and people here aren't the types to illegally take to the streets especially with a President who doesn't care about the law and has actually declared that he will send US citizens to El Salvadoran prisons if they don't fall in line.

We already know from polling that 100+ million Americans are strongly opposed to Trump’s actions. What good does having 100,000 people marching around do?

The question was, from Europeans, why are people not in the streets? My answer is that they are. The question of whether or not it is strategic and the best use of our resources to take to the streets and stop the regular functioning of society, as often happens in Europe, is a valid one. It is also not the one I was addressing.

also our elections are on a timeline. taking to the streets accomplishes nothing b/c the elected officals will have tehir deats until they are voted out on the schedule despite how hated they are. In europe they have a less stabel system and protesting can dissolve governments. In the US our system only rewards protesting in the voting booth. we eed to let Elon trump sink his own ship and then in 2026 teake bacj an activae congress. doing anything other than community support to mitigate teh harm these peopel are doing is pointless- we can also call our reps but yelling in teh street didnt stop Iraq whch is arguably teh stupidest thing the modern western world has ever done. The whole igrant crisis, masses of muslims in europe etc etc is all b.c of iraq and people protested when they should ve been calling senator clinton in NY and the rest of them to stop teh invasion and to listen the french who were 100% correct about iraq as well as the correct method to make fried, juilianed potatoes.

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Anonymous wrote:We haven't had effective protests in the US since the Vietnam era. These days, street protests are associated with Gaza and BLM. The vast majority of people who are appalled by Trump don't want to be associated with progressive activists. It's a problem. Most Americans don't care for the looting and burning and pro-terrorism slogans that progressives tend to bring. And progressive looters and nihilists will take over any march. So those street protests tend to work in favor of Republicans - see the Gaza and BLM protests. It's not effective.

The position ‘protests aren’t effective’ is….. ridiculous.

You may not have liked blm - but was it effective? Hell yeah. Try to find me one person who doesn’t know what blm stands for. Try to find me one cop who doesn’t know about the blm protests.

The idea that we are powerless feels so incorrect as to be troll worthy. We aren’t. Remember the Arab spring? Remember the anti apartheid protests? Remember Selma? No one was like ‘oh but we might be associated with the black panther party’ gtfo

Dude, BLM was not effective. That's why the majority of this country voted for Trump, the neo-Nazi puppet.

Agreed. BLM achieved nothing other than gaining a lot of antipathy towards the left.

Oh goodie! MAGA trolls bonding rituals— in real time!

I’m not remotely MAGA. I am liberal and voted Harris. But I think the way the BLM thing manifested itself was very damaging to the left. There were a lot of right-wing shit stirrers in the mix though, some of whom were caught on video.

do you think one european person gives AF about what you are saying on their own behalf?

I am british and my friends are too. the NHS strikes and people die. ambulance workers strike and people die. teachers strike and kids are home for weeks. in france, airport workers strike and no one flies to certain airports that whole time.
who CARES if it 'looks good'. It's not meant to 'look good'.
America needs to grow a freaking spine.

Ah. You’re British and your friends are too. How often do your unarmed police taze, gas, or shoot people like you during strikes? America is freaking violent. Apples vs Oranges.

Actually if you google you’ll see that police in the uk are not non violent during protests.

Listen we have to get out there. I’ve been gassed. It wasn’t great but I’m not going to let it stop me and neither have protesters in times past. This government is moving us towards being a dangerous autocracy where you’ll get indiscriminately arrested, deported and possibly experience violence whether you protest or not so may as well do it now and try to beat back the insanity even a little bit

Here is the thing: most of us saw this in 2016 and we tried protesting before it gets too big. It is too big now. They still won.

Welcome to the United States of big tech.

My plan is to stop spending on anything but food. No eating out, no clothes except good will. I’m done being a willing participant in capitalism.

Why don’t Europeans worry about their own shit before judging us.

Anonymous wrote:OP, what are they saying people should protest? This thread is very unclear. What is it that people are supposed to be worked up about now?

The country voted for Trump and wanted this. I don’t know why some on the left are projecting their outrage on the country. Most Trump voters and Americans are not angry with trump

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Anonymous wrote:We haven't had effective protests in the US since the Vietnam era. These days, street protests are associated with Gaza and BLM. The vast majority of people who are appalled by Trump don't want to be associated with progressive activists. It's a problem. Most Americans don't care for the looting and burning and pro-terrorism slogans that progressives tend to bring. And progressive looters and nihilists will take over any march. So those street protests tend to work in favor of Republicans - see the Gaza and BLM protests. It's not effective.

The position ‘protests aren’t effective’ is….. ridiculous.

You may not have liked blm - but was it effective? Hell yeah. Try to find me one person who doesn’t know what blm stands for. Try to find me one cop who doesn’t know about the blm protests.

The idea that we are powerless feels so incorrect as to be troll worthy. We aren’t. Remember the Arab spring? Remember the anti apartheid protests? Remember Selma? No one was like ‘oh but we might be associated with the black panther party’ gtfo

Dude, BLM was not effective. That's why the majority of this country voted for Trump, the neo-Nazi puppet.

Agreed. BLM achieved nothing other than gaining a lot of antipathy towards the left.

Oh goodie! MAGA trolls bonding rituals— in real time!

I’m not remotely MAGA. I am liberal and voted Harris. But I think the way the BLM thing manifested itself was very damaging to the left. There were a lot of right-wing shit stirrers in the mix though, some of whom were caught on video.

do you think one european person gives AF about what you are saying on their own behalf?

I am british and my friends are too. the NHS strikes and people die. ambulance workers strike and people die. teachers strike and kids are home for weeks. in france, airport workers strike and no one flies to certain airports that whole time.
who CARES if it 'looks good'. It's not meant to 'look good'.
America needs to grow a freaking spine.

Ah. You’re British and your friends are too. How often do your unarmed police taze, gas, or shoot people like you during strikes? America is freaking violent. Apples vs Oranges.

Actually if you google you’ll see that police in the uk are not non violent during protests.

Listen we have to get out there. I’ve been gassed. It wasn’t great but I’m not going to let it stop me and neither have protesters in times past. This government is moving us towards being a dangerous autocracy where you’ll get indiscriminately arrested, deported and possibly experience violence whether you protest or not so may as well do it now and try to beat back the insanity even a little bit

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Anonymous wrote:We haven't had effective protests in the US since the Vietnam era. These days, street protests are associated with Gaza and BLM. The vast majority of people who are appalled by Trump don't want to be associated with progressive activists. It's a problem. Most Americans don't care for the looting and burning and pro-terrorism slogans that progressives tend to bring. And progressive looters and nihilists will take over any march. So those street protests tend to work in favor of Republicans - see the Gaza and BLM protests. It's not effective.

The position ‘protests aren’t effective’ is….. ridiculous.

You may not have liked blm - but was it effective? Hell yeah. Try to find me one person who doesn’t know what blm stands for. Try to find me one cop who doesn’t know about the blm protests.

The idea that we are powerless feels so incorrect as to be troll worthy. We aren’t. Remember the Arab spring? Remember the anti apartheid protests? Remember Selma? No one was like ‘oh but we might be associated with the black panther party’ gtfo

Dude, BLM was not effective. That's why the majority of this country voted for Trump, the neo-Nazi puppet.

Agreed. BLM achieved nothing other than gaining a lot of antipathy towards the left.

Oh goodie! MAGA trolls bonding rituals— in real time!

I’m not remotely MAGA. I am liberal and voted Harris. But I think the way the BLM thing manifested itself was very damaging to the left. There were a lot of right-wing shit stirrers in the mix though, some of whom were caught on video.

do you think one european person gives AF about what you are saying on their own behalf?

I am british and my friends are too. the NHS strikes and people die. ambulance workers strike and people die. teachers strike and kids are home for weeks. in france, airport workers strike and no one flies to certain airports that whole time.
who CARES if it 'looks good'. It's not meant to 'look good'.
America needs to grow a freaking spine.

Ah. You’re British and your friends are too. How often do your unarmed police taze, gas, or shoot people like you during strikes? America is freaking violent. Apples vs Oranges.

Anonymous wrote:I’ve been in london, France and Germany and everyone wants to talk politics and every single person has the same q: why are Americans not at very least protesting if not striking or rioting in the streets. I don’t know, bc I grew up in the uk where we do strike and protest I think more, what to tell them. Why aren’t we? Why are we just rolling over and letting Trump do this to our country?

There is a large protest planned for April 5th in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:We haven't had effective protests in the US since the Vietnam era. These days, street protests are associated with Gaza and BLM. The vast majority of people who are appalled by Trump don't want to be associated with progressive activists. It's a problem. Most Americans don't care for the looting and burning and pro-terrorism slogans that progressives tend to bring. And progressive looters and nihilists will take over any march. So those street protests tend to work in favor of Republicans - see the Gaza and BLM protests. It's not effective.

The position ‘protests aren’t effective’ is….. ridiculous.

You may not have liked blm - but was it effective? Hell yeah. Try to find me one person who doesn’t know what blm stands for. Try to find me one cop who doesn’t know about the blm protests.

The idea that we are powerless feels so incorrect as to be troll worthy. We aren’t. Remember the Arab spring? Remember the anti apartheid protests? Remember Selma? No one was like ‘oh but we might be associated with the black panther party’ gtfo

Dude, BLM was not effective. That's why the majority of this country voted for Trump, the neo-Nazi puppet.

Agreed. BLM achieved nothing other than gaining a lot of antipathy towards the left.

Oh goodie! MAGA trolls bonding rituals— in real time!

I’m not remotely MAGA. I am liberal and voted Harris. But I think the way the BLM thing manifested itself was very damaging to the left. There were a lot of right-wing shit stirrers in the mix though, some of whom were caught on video.

do you think one european person gives AF about what you are saying on their own behalf?

I am british and my friends are too. the NHS strikes and people die. ambulance workers strike and people die. teachers strike and kids are home for weeks. in france, airport workers strike and no one flies to certain airports that whole time.
who CARES if it 'looks good'. It's not meant to 'look good'.
America needs to grow a freaking spine.

Not sure what Europeans have to do with my comment. I’m certainly not speaking on their behalf. I’m talking about BLM and how that played a part in why we have a bunch of troglodytes running the country.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been in london, France and Germany and everyone wants to talk politics and every single person has the same q: why are Americans not at very least protesting if not striking or rioting in the streets. I don’t know, bc I grew up in the uk where we do strike and protest I think more, what to tell them. Why aren’t we? Why are we just rolling over and letting Trump do this to our country?

Because half the country voted for him.

Half the country did not vote for him—slightly more than half of the people who bothered to vote voted for him.

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Anonymous wrote:All my trips to Europe since January, the most common sentiment is that they wish a Trump-like leader would help them with their immigration issues. They are envious of a leader who actually gets things done

His immigration policies are quite popular.

Right… is that Trump posting on DCUM now?