Anonymous
03/20/2025 06:03
Subject: Middlebury ranking
Don’t leave the US you will have a hard time getting back in.
Anonymous
03/20/2025 00:16
Subject: Middlebury ranking
Anonymous wrote:Who wants to pay 90k a year to freeze your butt off looking at cows.
Pretty close to Montreal.
Anonymous
03/19/2025 22:37
Subject: Middlebury ranking
Who wants to pay 90k a year to freeze your butt off looking at cows.
Anonymous
03/19/2025 21:52
Subject: Re:Middlebury ranking
Note only three LACs ranked above Middlebury are public. If the service academies are removed, Middlebury would be 16th.
There is no DEI measure used by US News if the common interpretation of racial equity is used. There is however a "Social Mobility" metric that pertains to graduation rates/performance for students from low income families.
The first year where US News computed a Social Mobility rank was 2020. That year Middlebury had an overall rank of 7th, a Social Mobility Rank of 185th weighted at 5%, a Financial Resources rank of 4th weighted at 8%, and a student/faculty ratio of 8/1 weighted at 8%.
In 2025, Middlebury ranked 19th overall with a Social Mobility rank of 120th weighted at 11%, a Financial Resources rank of 45th weighted at 8%, and a student/faculty ratio of 9/1 weighted at 8%.
Yes, alumni giving rate was weighted at 5% in 2020 and is not used in 2025. However, in 2020 there were 15 LACs with higher giving rates, so dropping that measure likely benefitted Middlebury.
Why did Middlebury's Financial Resources rank drop so much, and when did that happen? In 2024, a year where it was in a five way tie for 11th overall, its Financial Resources was ranked 5th, so it dropped 40 spots in one year. Here's the US News explanation for how that metric was calculated differently for 2025: "In previous editions, U.S. News compared expenditures to fall enrollment. A full academic year was used starting with this edition because expenditures reflect a full year; therefore the full-time and part-time enrollment should also reflect a full year." In other words, the denominator (number of students) was off in previous years; it was not that what counted towards the numerator (academic spending) that changed. While many schools saw changes in their Financial Resources rank, Middlebury was the only school in the 2024 top 15 overall whose Financial Resources rank dropped by more than 8 spots.
It appears the first year Social Mobility was bumped from 5% to 11% was 2024; again, Middlebury ranked 11th that year.
Schools that have great aid are not punished when their students receive Pell grants. Federal aid can be combined with the college's own. If anything, it helps students at schools with good financial aid graduate with less federal debt, which is weighted at 5%.
Middlebury is a great school and all rankings are inherently flawed. But it is misleading to say its drop is due to DEI. Some of its drop is due to Social Mobility, which isn't synonymous with DEI, being weighted more (11%). But it appears more of its drop (16% of total weight) was due to how enrollment was measured, affecting both academic spending per student and faculty per student. Perhaps other schools will see similar adjustments to their enrollment calculations in the future.
There is no DEI measure used by US News if the common interpretation of racial equity is used. There is however a "Social Mobility" metric that pertains to graduation rates/performance for students from low income families.
The first year where US News computed a Social Mobility rank was 2020. That year Middlebury had an overall rank of 7th, a Social Mobility Rank of 185th weighted at 5%, a Financial Resources rank of 4th weighted at 8%, and a student/faculty ratio of 8/1 weighted at 8%.
In 2025, Middlebury ranked 19th overall with a Social Mobility rank of 120th weighted at 11%, a Financial Resources rank of 45th weighted at 8%, and a student/faculty ratio of 9/1 weighted at 8%.
Yes, alumni giving rate was weighted at 5% in 2020 and is not used in 2025. However, in 2020 there were 15 LACs with higher giving rates, so dropping that measure likely benefitted Middlebury.
Why did Middlebury's Financial Resources rank drop so much, and when did that happen? In 2024, a year where it was in a five way tie for 11th overall, its Financial Resources was ranked 5th, so it dropped 40 spots in one year. Here's the US News explanation for how that metric was calculated differently for 2025: "In previous editions, U.S. News compared expenditures to fall enrollment. A full academic year was used starting with this edition because expenditures reflect a full year; therefore the full-time and part-time enrollment should also reflect a full year." In other words, the denominator (number of students) was off in previous years; it was not that what counted towards the numerator (academic spending) that changed. While many schools saw changes in their Financial Resources rank, Middlebury was the only school in the 2024 top 15 overall whose Financial Resources rank dropped by more than 8 spots.
It appears the first year Social Mobility was bumped from 5% to 11% was 2024; again, Middlebury ranked 11th that year.
Schools that have great aid are not punished when their students receive Pell grants. Federal aid can be combined with the college's own. If anything, it helps students at schools with good financial aid graduate with less federal debt, which is weighted at 5%.
Middlebury is a great school and all rankings are inherently flawed. But it is misleading to say its drop is due to DEI. Some of its drop is due to Social Mobility, which isn't synonymous with DEI, being weighted more (11%). But it appears more of its drop (16% of total weight) was due to how enrollment was measured, affecting both academic spending per student and faculty per student. Perhaps other schools will see similar adjustments to their enrollment calculations in the future.
Anonymous
03/17/2025 19:49
Subject: Middlebury ranking
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:At a time (2015) when submission of standardized scores was widely expected, Middlebury placed 51st nationally and 6th among NESCAC LACs (after Williams, Amherst, Bowdoin*, Hamilton and Wesleyan) by this characteristic:
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-610-smartest-colleges-in-america-2015-9
*Test optional.
Ummmm, it's 2025. That's from 10 years ago.
And Hamilton has ranked in the top 10 LACs per USNews only once--back in 2021 when it was 9.
For meaningful standardized testing profiles, it's necessary to go back at least a few years. Moreover, there's been information posted in this topic dating to 1984.