Anonymous wrote:This thread is hilarious. Why does peace bother you so much? We're you really hoping this would go to the last Ukrainian?

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Anonymous wrote:when can Zelensky pay back the billions?

Pay back the billions that went into Americans' pockets?

In reality, only a small percentage of the overall aid package takes the form of cash transfers to Kyiv; the vast majority goes right back into the U.S. economy through several federal government mechanisms.

One of the main mechanisms through which the U.S. provides security assistance to Ukraine is the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI)—a funding program led by the Department of Defense. Aimed at bolstering Ukraine’s armed forces, USAI provides funds for training and advising of Ukrainian military personnel, as well as for procurement of weapons. Nearly $32 billion has been allocated to USAI in three years of Russia’s all-out war.

The State Department’s Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program is a similar tool, yet its focus is not only on Ukraine but, rather, U.S. foreign policy goals more broadly. FMF helps American allies like Ukraine buy weapons specifically from U.S. manufacturers, supporting U.S. international interests and its military-industrial complex. FMF funding is not transferred to the recipient and is executed by American government agencies. Congress has allocated roughly $6.3 billion to this program for Ukraine security purposes since 2022.

And then there is the Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA), which allows the president to authorize the provision of weapons or services from Defense Department stockpiles to partners. This mechanism provides almost immediate help to allies in emergencies, with assistance sometimes arriving within days of presidential approval. Between August 2021 and April 2024, the State Department used PDA 44 times, providing Ukraine with military assistance worth $23.8 billion.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/how-america-s-aid-to-ukraine-actually-works

Anonymous wrote:Why is Trump saying that Ukraine started the conflict: “Today I heard: ‘Oh, well, we weren’t invited’,” the US president said. “Well, you’ve been there for three years . . . you should have never started it. You could have made a deal.” (FT.com)

Is he just parroting the lines that Putin is feeding him? Is he so unaware?

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Trump saying that Ukraine started the conflict: “Today I heard: ‘Oh, well, we weren’t invited’,” the US president said. “Well, you’ve been there for three years . . . you should have never started it. You could have made a deal.” (FT.com)

Is he just parroting the lines that Putin is feeding him? Is he so unaware?

Trump is setting the stage to abandon both Ukraine and the entire western alliance. He and Putin are putting together a "peace plan" that will be a complete betrayal of both Ukraine and Europe. The terms will be unacceptable - Ukraine will lose nearly a third of its land, most of its rare earth mineral rights, there will be no meaningful security guarantees, there will be an "election" to install a pro-Russia puppet in Kyiv, sanctions will be lifted on Russia, new deals will be signed with Gazprom and other Russian energy entities, and for good measure the United States will pull all forces from the Baltics.

Neither Ukraine nor Europe can agree to these terms. So the United States will abandon both and pursue an alliance with Russia. NATO is effectively dead. And the entire post WWII alliance and security system is no more. A new era begins. The US will pull all its forces from Europe. Europe, the UK, and Canada will scramble to build up their militaries and we can count on WWIII beginning in about three years when Russia has rearmed and invades the Baltics. The US will be regarded as an enemy and an ally of imperial Russia.

It's a disaster.

Anonymous wrote:This thread is hilarious. Why does peace bother you so much? We're you really hoping this would go to the last Ukrainian?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Russia is the aggressor and Rubio is meeting with the Russian foreign minister to resolve to conflict with Ukraine. Where is our moral position gone? How is this okay for America to side with bully?

Because it’s a proxy war Biden started with Russia. Ukraine is a puppet.

The administration is not “siding with Russia. They are negotiating. How else do you bring about a ceasefire agreement?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump just called Zelensky a dictator. Guess this peace negotiations is over. The US has nothing to give the Russians. What a weak and feeble man Trump is.

If Trump cancelled the election and just stayed President he would be called a dictator. How is Trump wrong? Zelensky cancelled the presidential election in 2024 and said he would remain in power as long as the war continues.

Seems like he has a huge interest in keeping the war going (with US money) and seems like his actions are that of a dictator.

Anonymous wrote:when can Zelensky pay back the billions?

In reality, only a small percentage of the overall aid package takes the form of cash transfers to Kyiv; the vast majority goes right back into the U.S. economy through several federal government mechanisms.

One of the main mechanisms through which the U.S. provides security assistance to Ukraine is the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI)—a funding program led by the Department of Defense. Aimed at bolstering Ukraine’s armed forces, USAI provides funds for training and advising of Ukrainian military personnel, as well as for procurement of weapons. Nearly $32 billion has been allocated to USAI in three years of Russia’s all-out war.

The State Department’s Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program is a similar tool, yet its focus is not only on Ukraine but, rather, U.S. foreign policy goals more broadly. FMF helps American allies like Ukraine buy weapons specifically from U.S. manufacturers, supporting U.S. international interests and its military-industrial complex. FMF funding is not transferred to the recipient and is executed by American government agencies. Congress has allocated roughly $6.3 billion to this program for Ukraine security purposes since 2022.

And then there is the Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA), which allows the president to authorize the provision of weapons or services from Defense Department stockpiles to partners. This mechanism provides almost immediate help to allies in emergencies, with assistance sometimes arriving within days of presidential approval. Between August 2021 and April 2024, the State Department used PDA 44 times, providing Ukraine with military assistance worth $23.8 billion.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Russia is the aggressor and Rubio is meeting with the Russian foreign minister to resolve to conflict with Ukraine. Where is our moral position gone? How is this okay for America to side with bully?

Because it’s a proxy war Biden started with Russia. Ukraine is a puppet.

The administration is not “siding with Russia. They are negotiating. How else do you bring about a ceasefire agreement?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump just called Zelensky a dictator. Guess this peace negotiations is over. The US has nothing to give the Russians. What a weak and feeble man Trump is.

If Trump cancelled the election and just stayed President he would be called a dictator. How is Trump wrong? Zelensky cancelled the presidential election in 2024 and said he would remain in power as long as the war continues.

Seems like he has a huge interest in keeping the war going (with US money) and seems like his actions are that of a dictator.

Anonymous wrote:when can Zelensky pay back the billions?