Anonymous
02/06/2025 15:55
Subject: Re:The Fork got fork’d
Anonymous wrote:Probationary employees — who will now be summarily fired instead — just got screwed.
They only got screwed if that "deal" wasn't a fakeout.
Want to know what the Vegas bets on this are?
Anonymous
02/06/2025 15:54
Subject: The Fork got fork’d
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, so instead of letting people take the deal, they are forcing everyone to be fired. Sad. You know they will set the bar high and expect everyone to be in 5 days a week. My relative was looking forward to the 8 months paid admin leave and then retiring. Now they will need just to retire immediately. Hopefully its just a pause but if it does get blocked It feels like they stole a great deal from a lot of people.
No, because the deal was never going to be honored anyway.
A few fries short of a Happy Meal, aren't you? But then all MAGA posters are...
You know divisive crap like this is why Dems lost?
Democrats are very nice people: they want to include everyone (to a fault, IMO). It's not their fault that Fox News is allowed to lie on air 24/7 and has a death grip on much of people's news source.
+1 That's rich...lectures on divisiveness coming from the right.
DP. Sorry your "Fork" was so stupid that effectively nobody took it. Do better.
The people I know who took it are past retirement age and are doing a VERA on top of it, or were looking to change careers and move, and thought "eh, what do I have to lose?".
System wide, if we believe the published number, there may be 50K employees who took it, about 2.5% of the workforce, far from the 5-10% they were hoping for.
Same here. A normal year 70,000 employees retire. This offer is just gonna give those 70,000 employees an eight month vacation before it plus the 240 hours they have plus all the leave. They earned between now and September.
It’s like the stupidest offer in the world. It saves nobody money. It doesn’t even get rid of people that were not gonna quit anyway.
What do they think they’re doing?
He’s so used to working with fickle 22-year-olds that he thought a whole bunch of people were gonna be like yahoo I’m gonna take an eight month vacation. What?
The Fork is not stupid, it's evil. It's the definition of a scam, where empty promises are made under time pressure, and they're issued with vague threats and confusing conflicting requirements. The Fork preys on those who are gullible or stressed-out.
Some Twitter employees had to sue to get their promised money. Your mistake is believing the man. These feds were never going to get their full payout, which is why there's been such a hullabaloo. The offer is worded in such terms that it can be considered threatening (it includes actual threats of termination if the offer isn't taken), plus it adds a number of loophole statements specifying that actual requirements (no work vs work, in-person vs telework) are subject to each agency's last word. And the biggest loophole of all is what it doesn't say: that Congress has only funded the government until mid-March. No one can legally promise money after that, so there goes the payout from March until September.
The people who were going to quit anyway or resign thought they had nothing to lose - maybe get some extra money for a month. That's why there are so little takers.
But it's not stupid, not by a long shot. Just vicious. Elon is looking to oust the low-hanging fruit. And then he's going to try to fire people for real. There is no win-win in any of this apart from the media outcry and the path through the courts to extirpate this man from the government.
Anonymous
02/06/2025 15:53
Subject: The Fork got fork’d
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, so instead of letting people take the deal, they are forcing everyone to be fired. Sad. You know they will set the bar high and expect everyone to be in 5 days a week. My relative was looking forward to the 8 months paid admin leave and then retiring. Now they will need just to retire immediately. Hopefully its just a pause but if it does get blocked It feels like they stole a great deal from a lot of people.
No, because the deal was never going to be honored anyway.
A few fries short of a Happy Meal, aren't you? But then all MAGA posters are...
You know divisive crap like this is why Dems lost?
Democrats are very nice people: they want to include everyone (to a fault, IMO). It's not their fault that Fox News is allowed to lie on air 24/7 and has a death grip on much of people's news source.
+1 That's rich...lectures on divisiveness coming from the right.
DP. Sorry your "Fork" was so stupid that effectively nobody took it. Do better.
The people I know who took it are past retirement age and are doing a VERA on top of it, or were looking to change careers and move, and thought "eh, what do I have to lose?".
System wide, if we believe the published number, there may be 50K employees who took it, about 2.5% of the workforce, far from the 5-10% they were hoping for.
Same here. A normal year 70,000 employees retire. This offer is just gonna give those 70,000 employees an eight month vacation before it plus the 240 hours they have plus all the leave. They earned between now and September.
It’s like the stupidest offer in the world. It saves nobody money. It doesn’t even get rid of people that were not gonna quit anyway.
What do they think they’re doing?
He’s so used to working with fickle 22-year-olds that he thought a whole bunch of people were gonna be like yahoo I’m gonna take an eight month vacation. What?
to the dream destination of your choice!
Anonymous
02/06/2025 15:52
Subject: Re:The Fork got fork’d
Probationary employees — who will now be summarily fired instead — just got screwed.
Anonymous
02/06/2025 15:50
Subject: The Fork got fork’d
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, so instead of letting people take the deal, they are forcing everyone to be fired. Sad. You know they will set the bar high and expect everyone to be in 5 days a week. My relative was looking forward to the 8 months paid admin leave and then retiring. Now they will need just to retire immediately. Hopefully its just a pause but if it does get blocked It feels like they stole a great deal from a lot of people.
No, because the deal was never going to be honored anyway.
A few fries short of a Happy Meal, aren't you? But then all MAGA posters are...
You know divisive crap like this is why Dems lost?
Democrats are very nice people: they want to include everyone (to a fault, IMO). It's not their fault that Fox News is allowed to lie on air 24/7 and has a death grip on much of people's news source.
+1 That's rich...lectures on divisiveness coming from the right.
DP. Sorry your "Fork" was so stupid that effectively nobody took it. Do better.
The people I know who took it are past retirement age and are doing a VERA on top of it, or were looking to change careers and move, and thought "eh, what do I have to lose?".
System wide, if we believe the published number, there may be 50K employees who took it, about 2.5% of the workforce, far from the 5-10% they were hoping for.
Same here. A normal year 70,000 employees retire. This offer is just gonna give those 70,000 employees an eight month vacation before it plus the 240 hours they have plus all the leave. They earned between now and September.
It’s like the stupidest offer in the world. It saves nobody money. It doesn’t even get rid of people that were not gonna quit anyway.
What do they think they’re doing?
He’s so used to working with fickle 22-year-olds that he thought a whole bunch of people were gonna be like yahoo I’m gonna take an eight month vacation. What?
But it would have been good PR, which is all that matters.
No, it would not have been. Would have not been good PR for the Democrats to take this stupid deal. It’s wasteful and it’s not based in law.
Anonymous
02/06/2025 15:48
Subject: The Fork got fork’d
1. The only thing a hold on the deadline does is to keep the deadline from being enforced. If someone wanted this deal and took it, that still holds. This didn't "grab that luxe vacation out of their hands" or anything. It just made it so that the option to take the deal didn't expire at midnight tonight.
2. Down the line, if this was going to be found to be illegal, it would have happened regardless of whether the deadline was tonight at midnight, or not. There is nothing inherently mandatory about that time. So if it isn't illegal, and if it goes through as planned, allllllll those 40,000 people or whatever still get what they signed up for. (If not, they wouldn't have gotten it anyway, and there is already case law from the 90s that addresses this).
3. Finally, if it's such a great deal, then you should be praising the federal employees that didn't take it. They are saving the US government money out of the goodness of their own hearts. What's to criticize there?
Anonymous
02/06/2025 15:48
Subject: The Fork got fork’d
Anonymous wrote:The Administration agreed to send an immediate email informing employees of the pause. Anyone get it yet? It’s past FOB for EST folks who start work at 6 am…
PAST COB. Sorry
Anonymous
02/06/2025 15:48
Subject: The Fork got fork’d
The Administration agreed to send an immediate email informing employees of the pause. Anyone get it yet? It’s past FOB for EST folks who start work at 6 am…
Anonymous
02/06/2025 15:47
Subject: The Fork got fork’d
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, so instead of letting people take the deal, they are forcing everyone to be fired. Sad. You know they will set the bar high and expect everyone to be in 5 days a week. My relative was looking forward to the 8 months paid admin leave and then retiring. Now they will need just to retire immediately. Hopefully its just a pause but if it does get blocked It feels like they stole a great deal from a lot of people.
No, because the deal was never going to be honored anyway.
A few fries short of a Happy Meal, aren't you? But then all MAGA posters are...
You know divisive crap like this is why Dems lost?
Democrats are very nice people: they want to include everyone (to a fault, IMO). It's not their fault that Fox News is allowed to lie on air 24/7 and has a death grip on much of people's news source.
+1 That's rich...lectures on divisiveness coming from the right.
DP. Sorry your "Fork" was so stupid that effectively nobody took it. Do better.
The people I know who took it are past retirement age and are doing a VERA on top of it, or were looking to change careers and move, and thought "eh, what do I have to lose?".
System wide, if we believe the published number, there may be 50K employees who took it, about 2.5% of the workforce, far from the 5-10% they were hoping for.
Same here. A normal year 70,000 employees retire. This offer is just gonna give those 70,000 employees an eight month vacation before it plus the 240 hours they have plus all the leave. They earned between now and September.
It’s like the stupidest offer in the world. It saves nobody money. It doesn’t even get rid of people that were not gonna quit anyway.
What do they think they’re doing?
He’s so used to working with fickle 22-year-olds that he thought a whole bunch of people were gonna be like yahoo I’m gonna take an eight month vacation. What?
But it would have been good PR, which is all that matters.
Anonymous
02/06/2025 15:46
Subject: The Fork got fork’d
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, so instead of letting people take the deal, they are forcing everyone to be fired. Sad. You know they will set the bar high and expect everyone to be in 5 days a week. My relative was looking forward to the 8 months paid admin leave and then retiring. Now they will need just to retire immediately. Hopefully its just a pause but if it does get blocked It feels like they stole a great deal from a lot of people.
No, because the deal was never going to be honored anyway.
A few fries short of a Happy Meal, aren't you? But then all MAGA posters are...
You know divisive crap like this is why Dems lost?
Democrats are very nice people: they want to include everyone (to a fault, IMO). It's not their fault that Fox News is allowed to lie on air 24/7 and has a death grip on much of people's news source.
+1 That's rich...lectures on divisiveness coming from the right.
DP. Sorry your "Fork" was so stupid that effectively nobody took it. Do better.
The people I know who took it are past retirement age and are doing a VERA on top of it, or were looking to change careers and move, and thought "eh, what do I have to lose?".
System wide, if we believe the published number, there may be 50K employees who took it, about 2.5% of the workforce, far from the 5-10% they were hoping for.
Same here. A normal year 70,000 employees retire. This offer is just gonna give those 70,000 employees an eight month vacation before it plus the 240 hours they have plus all the leave. They earned between now and September.
It’s like the stupidest offer in the world. It saves nobody money. It doesn’t even get rid of people that were not gonna quit anyway.
What do they think they’re doing?
He’s so used to working with fickle 22-year-olds that he thought a whole bunch of people were gonna be like yahoo I’m gonna take an eight month vacation. What?
to the dream destination of your choice!
Anonymous
02/06/2025 15:44
Subject: The Fork got fork’d
They’ll just use the list of those who raised their hands as a “layoff list” and go from there.
People warned everyone not to take this “deal” because if something looks too good to be true—it probably is!
People warned everyone not to take this “deal” because if something looks too good to be true—it probably is!
Anonymous
02/06/2025 15:43
Subject: The Fork got fork’d
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, so instead of letting people take the deal, they are forcing everyone to be fired. Sad. You know they will set the bar high and expect everyone to be in 5 days a week. My relative was looking forward to the 8 months paid admin leave and then retiring. Now they will need just to retire immediately. Hopefully its just a pause but if it does get blocked It feels like they stole a great deal from a lot of people.
Again, a federal RIF comes with benefits, severance and protections. And in many cases more money than the FORK. Very few people can just be fired. They need to go through RIF procedures. I know they aren’t right now, but that’s next weeks lawsuit. RIF is in a statute, passed by Congress. It’s a real thing people can depend on and does not require you to sign away all rights. In almost all cases, RIF is better than FORK.
Federal rif is no way near as good as this deal of 8 months paid, especially for those without many years of service. And remember you aren't guaranteed a RIF, they may just fire people for performance as the bar has been set high and requires 5 days a week in person:
A Reduction in Force in the federal government is a permanent job loss that may include severance pay. The amount of severance pay is based on years of service and salary.
How is severance pay calculated?
For less than one year of service, the severance pay is two weeks of base salary
For one to five years of service, the severance pay is one month of base salary
For five to ten years of service, the severance pay is two months of base salary
For ten to twenty years of service, the severance pay is three months of base salary
For twenty or more years of service, the severance pay is four months of base salary
Who is Not Eligible for Severance Pay?
Certain categories of federal employees are excluded from receiving severance pay:
Employees who resign voluntarily or accept the Trump administration’s 8-month buyout instead.
Employees who qualify for immediate federal retirement benefits (including early retirement programs).
Employees who are terminated for misconduct or poor performance.
Employees who have previously received any federal severance pay from a previous layoff.
Military retirees who return to federal service and later lose their civilian jobs.
Severance Pay Calculation
Federal severance pay is calculated based on a combination of the employee’s salary, years of service, and age adjustment factors. The formula is structured to provide higher payouts to employees with longer tenure, with an additional bonus for older employees who may face greater difficulty finding new employment.
Basic Severance Pay Formula
For the first 10 years of service: Employees receive one week of pay per full year of service.
Beyond 10 years of service: Employees receive two weeks of pay per additional year beyond the 10-year mark.
For additional months of service: Employees receive 25% of the annualized severance amount per additional quarter-year of service.
Age Adjustment Allowance
Employees over 40 years old receive an age adjustment to their severance pay.
The age factor increases every three months after turning 40, adding 2.5% to the severance calculation per quarter-year over age 40.
This adjustment is designed to help older workers who may face longer periods of unemployment.
They’re also immediately ending all GSA leases so there will be nowhere for people to RTO to. So I doubt your theory of how this plays out is the one they will pursue. It will be RIFs.
Anonymous
02/06/2025 15:40
Subject: The Fork got fork’d
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, so instead of letting people take the deal, they are forcing everyone to be fired. Sad. You know they will set the bar high and expect everyone to be in 5 days a week. My relative was looking forward to the 8 months paid admin leave and then retiring. Now they will need just to retire immediately. Hopefully its just a pause but if it does get blocked It feels like they stole a great deal from a lot of people.
No, because the deal was never going to be honored anyway.
A few fries short of a Happy Meal, aren't you? But then all MAGA posters are...
You know divisive crap like this is why Dems lost?
Democrats are very nice people: they want to include everyone (to a fault, IMO). It's not their fault that Fox News is allowed to lie on air 24/7 and has a death grip on much of people's news source.
+1 That's rich...lectures on divisiveness coming from the right.
DP. Sorry your "Fork" was so stupid that effectively nobody took it. Do better.
Um...can you read? I was agreeing with this poster. Fork is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. And I'm old. I've seen alot.
And I was agreeing with you, not disagreeing. "Divisive crap like this is why Dems lost," right. Just stupid.
Anonymous
02/06/2025 15:40
Subject: The Fork got fork’d
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would unions challenge this? Let people take it if they want. People are entitled to make informed decisions including taking risks.
Are you stupid? The problem is that people CANNOT make informed decision because Doge offer doesn’t provide the necessary information. Or are you dumb enough to suggest that people should be free to take risks of an UNINFORMED decision?
Actually yes, people should be free to make their own decisions. No one is being forced to take the fork.
Are the unions litigating all of USAID being placed on admin leave? And all the DEI roles? Violations of the telework CBAs? There are bigger problems.
Yes to all of your questions. There is one problem and it’s lawlessness. That’s it, and it has to be challenged everywhere it manifests. This concludes your civics lesson for the day.
Anonymous
02/06/2025 15:39
Subject: The Fork got fork’d
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, so instead of letting people take the deal, they are forcing everyone to be fired. Sad. You know they will set the bar high and expect everyone to be in 5 days a week. My relative was looking forward to the 8 months paid admin leave and then retiring. Now they will need just to retire immediately. Hopefully its just a pause but if it does get blocked It feels like they stole a great deal from a lot of people.
No, because the deal was never going to be honored anyway.
A few fries short of a Happy Meal, aren't you? But then all MAGA posters are...
You know divisive crap like this is why Dems lost?
Democrats are very nice people: they want to include everyone (to a fault, IMO). It's not their fault that Fox News is allowed to lie on air 24/7 and has a death grip on much of people's news source.
+1 That's rich...lectures on divisiveness coming from the right.
DP. Sorry your "Fork" was so stupid that effectively nobody took it. Do better.
The people I know who took it are past retirement age and are doing a VERA on top of it, or were looking to change careers and move, and thought "eh, what do I have to lose?".
System wide, if we believe the published number, there may be 50K employees who took it, about 2.5% of the workforce, far from the 5-10% they were hoping for.
Same here. A normal year 70,000 employees retire. This offer is just gonna give those 70,000 employees an eight month vacation before it plus the 240 hours they have plus all the leave. They earned between now and September.
It’s like the stupidest offer in the world. It saves nobody money. It doesn’t even get rid of people that were not gonna quit anyway.
What do they think they’re doing?
He’s so used to working with fickle 22-year-olds that he thought a whole bunch of people were gonna be like yahoo I’m gonna take an eight month vacation. What?