Anonymous
02/06/2025 10:25
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is signing the deferred resignation offer somehow worse than just normally resigning? At this point, I just want to get out of the federal government. The chance that I’ll get admin leave is nice, but I don’t care if I don’t get it. Should I sign it? Or would I actually be worse off signing this agreement than if I just resigned normally?
Worst case scenario is ethics prevents you from getting a second job, you collect 7 months of administrative leave pay, and the program is deemed illegal and you have to pay it back. There's caselaw that when the government makes a mistake you still have to pay them back.
Actually I think worst case is your agency accepting your resignation and not paying at all. You waive all your rights to appeal or take any action regarding what happens when you take the offer.
Not really the deal doesn't say that and the only thing that logically goes to court is any agreement to rescind appeals if they go against laws. Why would anyone sue to not to get paid, it would be political suicide if the Democrats started suing to NOT pay people and take on the positives of the deal.
Anonymous
02/06/2025 09:56
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one I know at work is even considering it.
Everyone is considering. They are not saying it out loud.
Yeah, this thread reminds me of the pre-election threads saying “I don’t know anyone who is going to vote for Trump….” Yes you do, they just aren’t sharing with you because they know how you feel about them.
You realize in DC it was like 4%?
Anonymous
02/06/2025 09:50
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know at least 5 pple -myself included- in a fed OGC who are taking the "Fork" offer. I will get "VERA" as well. The option is to go in 5 days/ week, as well as potentially be converted to schedule F and RIF'd with no severance, process, etc.
Our office in a couple of the practice areas is going to completely collapse.
I call BS. 5 lawyers falling for this? No way.
My DH and I are both lawyers and we’re both taking it. We were planning to quit anyway, so taking this offer is just taking the chance that we’ll get something instead of the nothing we’d get when one normally resigns.
What exactly are lawyers going to do in a post law country? Everything can be solved by AI and the tech sector.
Not really. As even OPM knows since they just exempted lawyers from the probationary termination reporting.
We aren’t post law yet. The administration needs lawyers to give a veneer of legality to what they’re doing, and a lot of lawyers will be working on the court challenges for years to come.
Were they excluded because they’re going to be reclassified to have even fewer rights than a probationary employee and then mass fired?
Probably, but they could have fired the ones on probation without having reclassified.
I don’t think so. Even if probationary, you still have to have cause to fire, I.e, poor work performance (see regs). But once they convert all attorneys to schedule F, they are at will and cAn be fired for any reason (except unlawful reason bc black, old, etc).
Anonymous
02/06/2025 09:47
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hold the line.
Meeting at 1pm tomorrow. Let President Musk and his cronies figure out a new plan for firing people. I’m sure they will but make it difficult.
What mtg is that?
Perhaps PP is talking about the 1 p.m. hearing on this? Federal judge will consider a stay.
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/06/nx-s1-5287875/trump-federal-employees-resignation-deadline-musk
Anonymous
02/06/2025 09:43
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know at least 5 pple -myself included- in a fed OGC who are taking the "Fork" offer. I will get "VERA" as well. The option is to go in 5 days/ week, as well as potentially be converted to schedule F and RIF'd with no severance, process, etc.
Our office in a couple of the practice areas is going to completely collapse.
I call BS. 5 lawyers falling for this? No way.
My DH and I are both lawyers and we’re both taking it. We were planning to quit anyway, so taking this offer is just taking the chance that we’ll get something instead of the nothing we’d get when one normally resigns.
What exactly are lawyers going to do in a post law country? Everything can be solved by AI and the tech sector.
Not really. As even OPM knows since they just exempted lawyers from the probationary termination reporting.
We aren’t post law yet. The administration needs lawyers to give a veneer of legality to what they’re doing, and a lot of lawyers will be working on the court challenges for years to come.
Were they excluded because they’re going to be reclassified to have even fewer rights than a probationary employee and then mass fired?
Probably, but they could have fired the ones on probation without having reclassified.
Anonymous
02/06/2025 09:27
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is signing the deferred resignation offer somehow worse than just normally resigning? At this point, I just want to get out of the federal government. The chance that I’ll get admin leave is nice, but I don’t care if I don’t get it. Should I sign it? Or would I actually be worse off signing this agreement than if I just resigned normally?
Worst case scenario is ethics prevents you from getting a second job, you collect 7 months of administrative leave pay, and the program is deemed illegal and you have to pay it back. There's caselaw that when the government makes a mistake you still have to pay them back.
Actually I think worst case is your agency accepting your resignation and not paying at all. You waive all your rights to appeal or take any action regarding what happens when you take the offer.
Anonymous
02/06/2025 09:25
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is signing the deferred resignation offer somehow worse than just normally resigning? At this point, I just want to get out of the federal government. The chance that I’ll get admin leave is nice, but I don’t care if I don’t get it. Should I sign it? Or would I actually be worse off signing this agreement than if I just resigned normally?
My exact thoughts. Resigning anyways and I am also probationary. Tempted to fork, but wondering if I can hurt myself somehow by doing it. Don’t care if I don’t get paid at the end, I am leaving anyways.
This is me. I took it since I planned to leave this month anyway. Will I ever see a dime? Who knows?
Anonymous
02/06/2025 09:17
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If unions stop this they will just move forward to the next phase. Mass firing. You dummies.
Unions will stop that too. I’m not sure why this upsets you so much. You come across as uninformed, and it’s not going to convince most ordinary people if you can’t control your emotions
Folks at USAid thought they wouldn't really be dissolved and that Congress would step in. "You can't close an agency without Congressional approval". Uh ok.
They’re still being paid, and lawsuits are being filed to prevent the agency from being shuttered without congressional authorization.
Anonymous
02/06/2025 09:12
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Is signing the deferred resignation offer somehow worse than just normally resigning? At this point, I just want to get out of the federal government. The chance that I’ll get admin leave is nice, but I don’t care if I don’t get it. Should I sign it? Or would I actually be worse off signing this agreement than if I just resigned normally?
Worst case scenario is ethics prevents you from getting a second job, you collect 7 months of administrative leave pay, and the program is deemed illegal and you have to pay it back. There's caselaw that when the government makes a mistake you still have to pay them back.
Anonymous
02/06/2025 09:12
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If unions stop this they will just move forward to the next phase. Mass firing. You dummies.
Unions will stop that too. I’m not sure why this upsets you so much. You come across as uninformed, and it’s not going to convince most ordinary people if you can’t control your emotions
Folks at USAid thought they wouldn't really be dissolved and that Congress would step in. "You can't close an agency without Congressional approval". Uh ok.
Anonymous
02/06/2025 09:10
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If unions stop this they will just move forward to the next phase. Mass firing. You dummies.
Unions will stop that too. I’m not sure why this upsets you so much. You come across as uninformed, and it’s not going to convince most ordinary people if you can’t control your emotions
DP - if you think unions are going to stop anything you need to get your head out of the...... mud.
Anonymous
02/06/2025 09:09
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t mind being RIF’d because I’d get a year of severance, which is worth more than the admin leave. The trouble is, I’m very sure I won’t be RIF’d because my agency already doesn’t have enough people to do the work I do, which is statutorily mandated.
Do folks honestly think the govt is going to abide by "old" agreements with regard to RIF/how much severance. I would not bank on getting a full year....
Anonymous
02/06/2025 09:01
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
I wouldn’t mind being RIF’d because I’d get a year of severance, which is worth more than the admin leave. The trouble is, I’m very sure I won’t be RIF’d because my agency already doesn’t have enough people to do the work I do, which is statutorily mandated.
Anonymous
02/06/2025 08:58
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
The non-union people are the ones who should be most afraid.
Anonymous
02/06/2025 07:03
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:If unions stop this they will just move forward to the next phase. Mass firing. You dummies.
Unions will stop that too. I’m not sure why this upsets you so much. You come across as uninformed, and it’s not going to convince most ordinary people if you can’t control your emotions