Anonymous wrote:I'm enjoying reading this thread because there's a bunch of great comments and observations about the broken nature of higher education, even of the equal numbers of tone deaf screeches that offer nothing but "MAGA!"

I'd think most of us agree we have a problem with a higher education model that is too expensive for that it delivers. Yes, education has been a ticket for social mobility, but not for everyone. And too many people took out too large loans for degrees that didn't deliver. We're not talking about borrowing six figures for medical school or an elite law school where future success is nearly automatically guaranteed. We're talking about six figure loans for "my masters" from NYU down to the University of Phoenix to end up in low paying jobs. Why was that allowed?

The relationship between easy access to loans and soaring tuition costs cannot be denied. We just went through a period where the Biden WH was (unconstititonally) forgiving billions and billions in loans but without asking why those loans existed in the first place nor making any demands for reforming the cost model of higher education. It was an unsustainable model that couldn't go on much longer.

Look, let me illustrate something. I graduated from an expensive private college in 2002. The tuition + room and board that year was $32k. That same year my father celebrated the last college tuition by going out to buy his dream car, a BMW. He paid $32k for the BMW.

Today that same BMW sells for maybe 50k. The college? over 97k. Wow. This is not sustainable. And this model was propped up by a glut of loans available everywhere and the cultural pressure to get more and more degrees to advance.

At least, for the first time in my life, someone is actually saying, stop! I don't know what the outcome will be but at least it's starting to do something about this totally broken and unsustainable approach to higher education in this country.

Anonymous wrote:Now that Trump University is bankrupt and gone, he has no more use for student loans and grants. The biggest thief ever to occupy the white house.

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Anonymous wrote:He can’t do this. This is like his 15th impeachable act in a week.

He can do whatever he wants. That is what the country voted for. He could literally take you out if you don't like it and that would be that.

No, he cannot. This is America. And everyone needs to stop accepting that he’ll
always break the law and just carry on with their lives. Impeach him again and again and keep suing him in court.

CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES

I live in a blue state and my representatives vote against him. WHAT DOES CALLING MY REPS DO??

Thank them! Let them know you’re paying attention and you appreciate their resistance.

So I should clog the line to say thank you and leave people with actual needs on hold while I pay myself on the back for calling and saying thank you? My vote isnt enough? Just checking.

You're insufferable.

Sorry for asking a legit question.

Well...it demonstrates how clearly obtuse you are on how civics work in this country. It's not a good look.

Jeez, you’re a real peach to be responding like this to people asking questions to deepen their understanding.

Are people not allowed to sincerely ask where to best spend their time (and the “why” behind it)?

That’s not the topic of this thread.

Call your rep or not. I don’t know what to tell you if you are going to fight the people who tell you that your call matters.

If you don’t believe you matter as a voter, then you can always crawl under the covers.

You are starting to seem like a troll. 😈

Have you been on the internet before? These are fair questions to ask and they’re on topic. If you don’t have an actual answer, scroll and roll on by.

Otherwise I’m still curious what Elizabeth Warren will do when I call or email her office and sayYAY YOURE DOING A GREAT JOB”. Or if there are other ways to compel my elected officials to act on behalf on their population.

Policing what other people ask, and calling people trolls, seems like a good way to deflect when you don’t have an actual answer to the question… and is also a MAGA hallmark. Gaslight and obstruct baby!

So many here have thrown you a lifeline yet you continue to embarrass yourself.

First, Elizabeth Warren is not gonna do sh*t because she is not gonna answer the phone. From your framing here, you are definitely not worth her personal time. Second, the intern or staffer will take notes on your comments and, depending on the office, will ask for your contact details. Third, if they have ramped up in the office, they may share a few details on what they are doing.

Finally, the CoS or someone else senior in the office will be asking over the course of the day the status of constituent contact. Please try not to be the constituent screaming, "me, me, me," but provides the office with specific details about what they compliment/seek.

Anonymous wrote:I would support zero federal aid for colleges and universities. It's just awful driving through economically destroyed urban and rural areas only to see that island of extreme wealth, almost always some college, probably concerned the poors won't leave to grant them that space to build that latest perfumed palace.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm enjoying reading this thread because there's a bunch of great comments and observations about the broken nature of higher education, even of the equal numbers of tone deaf screeches that offer nothing but "MAGA!"

I'd think most of us agree we have a problem with a higher education model that is too expensive for that it delivers. Yes, education has been a ticket for social mobility, but not for everyone. And too many people took out too large loans for degrees that didn't deliver. We're not talking about borrowing six figures for medical school or an elite law school where future success is nearly automatically guaranteed. We're talking about six figure loans for "my masters" from NYU down to the University of Phoenix to end up in low paying jobs. Why was that allowed?

The relationship between easy access to loans and soaring tuition costs cannot be denied. We just went through a period where the Biden WH was (unconstititonally) forgiving billions and billions in loans but without asking why those loans existed in the first place nor making any demands for reforming the cost model of higher education. It was an unsustainable model that couldn't go on much longer.

Look, let me illustrate something. I graduated from an expensive private college in 2002. The tuition + room and board that year was $32k. That same year my father celebrated the last college tuition by going out to buy his dream car, a BMW. He paid $32k for the BMW.

Today that same BMW sells for maybe 50k. The college? over 97k. Wow. This is not sustainable. And this model was propped up by a glut of loans available everywhere and the cultural pressure to get more and more degrees to advance.

At least, for the first time in my life, someone is actually saying, stop! I don't know what the outcome will be but at least it's starting to do something about this totally broken and unsustainable approach to higher education in this country.

As clumsy and ridiculous as I find these actions today (and I doubt very much the intent behind them is to help anyone at all in controlling college costs) I can’t say you’ve written anything that’s not true. College costs are ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:He can’t do this. This is like his 15th impeachable act in a week.

He can do whatever he wants. That is what the country voted for. He could literally take you out if you don't like it and that would be that.

No, he cannot. This is America. And everyone needs to stop accepting that he’ll
always break the law and just carry on with their lives. Impeach him again and again and keep suing him in court.

CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES

I live in a blue state and my representatives vote against him. WHAT DOES CALLING MY REPS DO??

Thank them! Let them know you’re paying attention and you appreciate their resistance.

So I should clog the line to say thank you and leave people with actual needs on hold while I pay myself on the back for calling and saying thank you? My vote isnt enough? Just checking.

You're insufferable.

Sorry for asking a legit question.

Well...it demonstrates how clearly obtuse you are on how civics work in this country. It's not a good look.

Jeez, you’re a real peach to be responding like this to people asking questions to deepen their understanding.

Are people not allowed to sincerely ask where to best spend their time (and the “why” behind it)?

That’s not the topic of this thread.

Call your rep or not. I don’t know what to tell you if you are going to fight the people who tell you that your call matters.

If you don’t believe you matter as a voter, then you can always crawl under the covers.

You are starting to seem like a troll. 😈

Have you been on the internet before? These are fair questions to ask and they’re on topic. If you don’t have an actual answer, scroll and roll on by.

Otherwise I’m still curious what Elizabeth Warren will do when I call or email her office and sayYAY YOURE DOING A GREAT JOB”. Or if there are other ways to compel my elected officials to act on behalf on their population.

Policing what other people ask, and calling people trolls, seems like a good way to deflect when you don’t have an actual answer to the question… and is also a MAGA hallmark. Gaslight and obstruct baby!

Anonymous wrote:"The notion that more generous federal grants
and loans cause upward pressure on list-price
tuition has only been demonstrated conclusively
at for-profit colleges. Public universities tend to
pass most or all of any increase in federal aid
back to students as a lower net price"

Anonymous wrote:I'm enjoying reading this thread because there's a bunch of great comments and observations about the broken nature of higher education, even of the equal numbers of tone deaf screeches that offer nothing but "MAGA!"

I'd think most of us agree we have a problem with a higher education model that is too expensive for that it delivers. Yes, education has been a ticket for social mobility, but not for everyone. And too many people took out too large loans for degrees that didn't deliver. We're not talking about borrowing six figures for medical school or an elite law school where future success is nearly automatically guaranteed. We're talking about six figure loans for "my masters" from NYU down to the University of Phoenix to end up in low paying jobs. Why was that allowed?

The relationship between easy access to loans and soaring tuition costs cannot be denied. We just went through a period where the Biden WH was (unconstititonally) forgiving billions and billions in loans but without asking why those loans existed in the first place nor making any demands for reforming the cost model of higher education. It was an unsustainable model that couldn't go on much longer.

Look, let me illustrate something. I graduated from an expensive private college in 2002. The tuition + room and board that year was $32k. That same year my father celebrated the last college tuition by going out to buy his dream car, a BMW. He paid $32k for the BMW.

Today that same BMW sells for maybe 50k. The college? over 97k. Wow. This is not sustainable. And this model was propped up by a glut of loans available everywhere and the cultural pressure to get more and more degrees to advance.

At least, for the first time in my life, someone is actually saying, stop! I don't know what the outcome will be but at least it's starting to do something about this totally broken and unsustainable approach to higher education in this country.

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Anonymous wrote:He can’t do this. This is like his 15th impeachable act in a week.

He can do whatever he wants. That is what the country voted for. He could literally take you out if you don't like it and that would be that.

No, he cannot. This is America. And everyone needs to stop accepting that he’ll
always break the law and just carry on with their lives. Impeach him again and again and keep suing him in court.

CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES

I live in a blue state and my representatives vote against him. WHAT DOES CALLING MY REPS DO??

Thank them! Let them know you’re paying attention and you appreciate their resistance.

So I should clog the line to say thank you and leave people with actual needs on hold while I pay myself on the back for calling and saying thank you? My vote isnt enough? Just checking.

You're insufferable.

Sorry for asking a legit question.

Well...it demonstrates how clearly obtuse you are on how civics work in this country. It's not a good look.

Jeez, you’re a real peach to be responding like this to people asking questions to deepen their understanding.

Are people not allowed to sincerely ask where to best spend their time (and the “why” behind it)?

That’s not the topic of this thread.

Call your rep or not. I don’t know what to tell you if you are going to fight the people who tell you that your call matters.

If you don’t believe you matter as a voter, then you can always crawl under the covers.

You are starting to seem like a troll. 😈

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Anonymous wrote:That will probably lower college costs. Amazing how the cost of college has skyrocketed once the government got in on the loan business.

I’d consider this a win for future students who won’t be saddled with student loan debt.

They won’t have the means to pay for college either way. It only benefits the UMC who have additional disposable income to plow into 529 plans. It does not benefit students who require grants and loans because they are without family or parental financial support.

Without all those students using grants and loans, colleges will have to lower prices to keep that money flowing in.

The Ivies may continue to only be for the rich, but I could see state schools cut tuition to have higher enrollment.

VA Tech isn’t just going to only have 10,000 students attend who can afford full pay. Better to lower tuition to ensure full enrollment and a higher bottom line.

Deflation doesn't work like that. Sorry not sorry.

Please explain how it works then.


You’re right about housing and other large purchases. Why buy today when you can buy tomorrow? That type of deflation will wreck an economy by disincentivizing spending.

For many other consumer goods, deflation doesn’t have nearly the effect. As a basic example, TVs have decreased in price since they were invented. Consumers have benefitted, and still buy TVs. People buy eggs as they get less expensive.

If college costs decreased every year, I’ll still send my kids to college. Even if the price is less expensive the following year.

Where are the cost reductions? Will the professor salaries get cut, or services such as counseling, tutoring, student mental support etc get eliminated. It is my understanding that universities are finding it difficult to get students interested in the teaching profession, so they need to compete for people willing to instruct your dear Larla. How about housing, I guess they can go back to the shit hole dorm rooms that existed when I attended FSU. We didn’t have air condition in Tallahassee florid in some of the dorms. Yikes, just that memory is revolting. Will the cost of boarding decrease despite food prices increasing throughout the country. Bottom line is that the cost will not decrease, but more schools will close and/or consolidate; thus making the demand for those who can pay more in demand.

Every financial entity has a possible cost reduction.

Most schools don’t need football, especially the schools where it doesn’t make money.
A majority of US universities have a football team, I guess. If you get rid of the football teams, you get rid of all the sport teams because the football teams, however how awful, subsidize lacrosse, soccer, tennis, rowing, women basketball, softball, baseball, fencing, etc. So get rid of all college sports. Tha's not going to happen.

Multiple rec centers? Nope.
I imagine the multiple rec centers are located at the big state schools with 40plus student body. I know I am dating myself, but when I attended FSU there was a student rec center, with multiple outdoor racquetball and tennis ball courts. There was an additional rec center for the athletes. They also had their own cafeteria, so there was that. Perhaps they have added additional rec centers, I would not know. My DC is currently at university with only one rec center on campus. Maybe you should send your child to a university without all the bells and whistles, if that is your concern with costs.

Climbing walls? Nope.
No climbing walls. What schools are you referencing? You can choose to bypass these schools when making choices.

Community college is inexpensive. Just build some dorms around them and charge the associated cost and you’ll have your model.
So, you want to do away with four-year colleges. You should have just said that initially without all the hemming and hawing. Four-year colleges are for the elite, everyone else off to community college. Also, where are you getting this extra land to build dormitories around these CC? You sure aren't getting it at in Silver Spring at MOCO. Finally, do you think room and board is going to be cheaper at CC than at a four-year institution. The cost of eggs is the cost of eggs whether your kiddo is attending UMD or MOCO.

I appreciate your post. It wasn’t low effort. But my opinion is colleges aren’t operating a bare bones, minimum staffing model. There is bloat, and it’s costing consumers money.

Anonymous wrote:Yes but this is kicking off a focus on FA for higher ed and the conversation is good to have. The questions should be asked about how we currently do things as a society and as a process. If this wasn't in the headlines, nobody would question it. In the meantime, people go broke/in debt from feeling like college is the only option that exists beyond HS. It's better as a society that we grow up and talk about how we don't live in 1950s anymore. We need the Constitution amended to reflect the fact that nobody should be looking to create their own militia for example! Times have changed. College is not the only path. FA for college isn't something that MUST happen.