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Anonymous wrote:Trump is bringing visibility to a serious issue. This is how he does it. If you don't realize that by now, you haven't been paying attention.

What is the serious issue? Transit fees and ship quotas caused by drought and low water levels?

This isn't some petty bete noire of Trump’s. The Panama Canal is the transport mechanism for huge amounts of American goods, and US companies and consumers stand to gain a lot from evening the playing field. You really haven't provided an answer to any of this beyond "nuh uh" and "your dumb" and lots of cuss words. But these are indeed serious issues that the US has been tracking for quite some time.

The playing field isn't uneven. The U.S. isn't being treated unfairly. Trump may regret that the U.S. turned the canal over to Panama but he has no actual recourse.

We have quite a bit of recourse at this stage. But if we wait, while China gets more entrenched and sets up military bases, we will lose the ability to set the situation back to its prior status. The time to strike is now, while the situation between Panama and China is still nascent and fragile. Not when China has gained strength and Panama has more to lose by backing off of their relationship.

Is there any actual evidence that this is occurring?

Reread what I wrote. I said if we wait, they will become entrenched and set up military bases.

Yes, there are reports that China has discussed building military bases with various latin american governments.

This article gives a good overview of what I mean by China's attempts to become entrenched: https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ARTICLES/Article/3553735/the-expanding-leverage-of-the-peoples-republic-of-china-in-latin-america-implic/

I certainly hope we cut ALL trade and diplomatic (and aid!!) ties with any country in South America that allows a Chinese military base.

Then I’d expect you’d be fine with China cutting diplomatic and economic ties with any nation with a Us military base. Germany, Greece, Japan, S Korea, Spain….

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it is good diplomacy. The US built and paid for the Panama Canal. The issue Trump is raising is about China-controlled ports there, and I don't see why the US should have to put up with China imposing extortionate fees on access to a canal we built. It's actually very bad foreign policy to ignore our adversaries and cede dominance to them.

We also have the issue of China controlling ports in the US. This is behind Trump supporting the union over automation.

Yeah. Interestingly, the people on the thread expressing anger about Trump's position haven’t explained why they are in favor of China's dominance in that region.

Easy answer.

Because modern American democrats are actually communists-in-hiding, and being communists, they will aid and abet other communists - excuse me - fraternal socialist allies - around the world.

If something is good for the Chinese Communist Party, then it’s good with American democrats, too.

You are giving the Dems too much credit. They are not capable of an international conspiracy and carrying water for the COMINTERN. It is much simpler. After 20 years of identity politics Cultural Revolution brainwashing, most Dems just view everything as “Whitey bad POC good” ergo supporting Chinese communist and “LatinX” drug runners equals good.

You know….I thought about this almost the entire time I was walking my dogs just now… and I think you’re probably right. At least with the masses. I still contend that there are communist fellow travelers among our gilded coastal elite of the democrat party, but among the rank-and-file leftists, it’s probably as you elude to.

They’re not even smart enough to be actual ideologists.

Very sad. We assign these people too much credit.

You sound unhinged.

This is such a feckless and lazy retort. It’s so threadbare from overuse. Anyone still using the phrase “you sound unhinged” should be ridiculed and made fun of for being intellectual slob they are. Much as with the word “racist”, “unhinged” doesn’t even have any real meaning anymore because it’s been so totally and completely overused and misapplied by the left. Everything they take issue with, oppose or dispute is now “unhinged”.


FFS, will someone buy them a thesaurus for Christmas or Chanukah? There’s a whole language out there to make use of!

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it is good diplomacy. The US built and paid for the Panama Canal. The issue Trump is raising is about China-controlled ports there, and I don't see why the US should have to put up with China imposing extortionate fees on access to a canal we built. It's actually very bad foreign policy to ignore our adversaries and cede dominance to them.

We also have the issue of China controlling ports in the US. This is behind Trump supporting the union over automation.

Yeah. Interestingly, the people on the thread expressing anger about Trump's position haven’t explained why they are in favor of China's dominance in that region.

Easy answer.

Because modern American democrats are actually communists-in-hiding, and being communists, they will aid and abet other communists - excuse me - fraternal socialist allies - around the world.

If something is good for the Chinese Communist Party, then it’s good with American democrats, too.

You are giving the Dems too much credit. They are not capable of an international conspiracy and carrying water for the COMINTERN. It is much simpler. After 20 years of identity politics Cultural Revolution brainwashing, most Dems just view everything as “Whitey bad POC good” ergo supporting Chinese communist and “LatinX” drug runners equals good.

You know….I thought about this almost the entire time I was walking my dogs just now… and I think you’re probably right. At least with the masses. I still contend that there are communist fellow travelers among our gilded coastal elite of the democrat party, but among the rank-and-file leftists, it’s probably as you elude to.

They’re not even smart enough to be actual ideologists.

Very sad. We assign these people too much credit.

You sound unhinged.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is bringing visibility to a serious issue. This is how he does it. If you don't realize that by now, you haven't been paying attention.

What is the serious issue? Transit fees and ship quotas caused by drought and low water levels?

This isn't some petty bete noire of Trump’s. The Panama Canal is the transport mechanism for huge amounts of American goods, and US companies and consumers stand to gain a lot from evening the playing field. You really haven't provided an answer to any of this beyond "nuh uh" and "your dumb" and lots of cuss words. But these are indeed serious issues that the US has been tracking for quite some time.

The playing field isn't uneven. The U.S. isn't being treated unfairly. Trump may regret that the U.S. turned the canal over to Panama but he has no actual recourse.

We have quite a bit of recourse at this stage. But if we wait, while China gets more entrenched and sets up military bases, we will lose the ability to set the situation back to its prior status. The time to strike is now, while the situation between Panama and China is still nascent and fragile. Not when China has gained strength and Panama has more to lose by backing off of their relationship.

Is there any actual evidence that this is occurring?

Reread what I wrote. I said if we wait, they will become entrenched and set up military bases.

Yes, there are reports that China has discussed building military bases with various latin american governments.

This article gives a good overview of what I mean by China's attempts to become entrenched: https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ARTICLES/Article/3553735/the-expanding-leverage-of-the-peoples-republic-of-china-in-latin-america-implic/

Do you think threatening the sovereignty of an ally nation with a pro-US government would make it more or less likely that they will turn towards China?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is bringing visibility to a serious issue. This is how he does it. If you don't realize that by now, you haven't been paying attention.

What is the serious issue? Transit fees and ship quotas caused by drought and low water levels?

This isn't some petty bete noire of Trump’s. The Panama Canal is the transport mechanism for huge amounts of American goods, and US companies and consumers stand to gain a lot from evening the playing field. You really haven't provided an answer to any of this beyond "nuh uh" and "your dumb" and lots of cuss words. But these are indeed serious issues that the US has been tracking for quite some time.

The playing field isn't uneven. The U.S. isn't being treated unfairly. Trump may regret that the U.S. turned the canal over to Panama but he has no actual recourse.

We have quite a bit of recourse at this stage. But if we wait, while China gets more entrenched and sets up military bases, we will lose the ability to set the situation back to its prior status. The time to strike is now, while the situation between Panama and China is still nascent and fragile. Not when China has gained strength and Panama has more to lose by backing off of their relationship.

Is there any actual evidence that this is occurring?

Reread what I wrote. I said if we wait, they will become entrenched and set up military bases.

Yes, there are reports that China has discussed building military bases with various latin american governments.

This article gives a good overview of what I mean by China's attempts to become entrenched: https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ARTICLES/Article/3553735/the-expanding-leverage-of-the-peoples-republic-of-china-in-latin-america-implic/

I certainly hope we cut ALL trade and diplomatic (and aid!!) ties with any country in South America that allows a Chinese military base.

Then I’d expect you’d be fine with China cutting diplomatic and economic ties with any nation with a Us military base. Germany, Greece, Japan, S Korea, Spain….

We are the good guys. You probably hate this country so much that you don’t think so, but it is true.

Oh the naivety and hypocrisy

Nobody tries to break into any country but western democracies

All the others are repellent to humanity

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is bringing visibility to a serious issue. This is how he does it. If you don't realize that by now, you haven't been paying attention.

What is the serious issue? Transit fees and ship quotas caused by drought and low water levels?

This isn't some petty bete noire of Trump’s. The Panama Canal is the transport mechanism for huge amounts of American goods, and US companies and consumers stand to gain a lot from evening the playing field. You really haven't provided an answer to any of this beyond "nuh uh" and "your dumb" and lots of cuss words. But these are indeed serious issues that the US has been tracking for quite some time.

The playing field isn't uneven. The U.S. isn't being treated unfairly. Trump may regret that the U.S. turned the canal over to Panama but he has no actual recourse.

We have quite a bit of recourse at this stage. But if we wait, while China gets more entrenched and sets up military bases, we will lose the ability to set the situation back to its prior status. The time to strike is now, while the situation between Panama and China is still nascent and fragile. Not when China has gained strength and Panama has more to lose by backing off of their relationship.

Is there any actual evidence that this is occurring?

Reread what I wrote. I said if we wait, they will become entrenched and set up military bases.

Yes, there are reports that China has discussed building military bases with various latin american governments.

This article gives a good overview of what I mean by China's attempts to become entrenched: https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ARTICLES/Article/3553735/the-expanding-leverage-of-the-peoples-republic-of-china-in-latin-america-implic/

Do you think threatening the sovereignty of an ally nation with a pro-US government would make it more or less likely that they will turn towards China?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is bringing visibility to a serious issue. This is how he does it. If you don't realize that by now, you haven't been paying attention.

What is the serious issue? Transit fees and ship quotas caused by drought and low water levels?

Yep - and power is a zero sum game. I’d rather have us have the majority of that.

This isn't some petty bete noire of Trump’s. The Panama Canal is the transport mechanism for huge amounts of American goods, and US companies and consumers stand to gain a lot from evening the playing field. You really haven't provided an answer to any of this beyond "nuh uh" and "your dumb" and lots of cuss words. But these are indeed serious issues that the US has been tracking for quite some time.

The playing field isn't uneven. The U.S. isn't being treated unfairly. Trump may regret that the U.S. turned the canal over to Panama but he has no actual recourse.

We have quite a bit of recourse at this stage. But if we wait, while China gets more entrenched and sets up military bases, we will lose the ability to set the situation back to its prior status. The time to strike is now, while the situation between Panama and China is still nascent and fragile. Not when China has gained strength and Panama has more to lose by backing off of their relationship.

Is there any actual evidence that this is occurring?

Reread what I wrote. I said if we wait, they will become entrenched and set up military bases.

Yes, there are reports that China has discussed building military bases with various latin american governments.

This article gives a good overview of what I mean by China's attempts to become entrenched: https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ARTICLES/Article/3553735/the-expanding-leverage-of-the-peoples-republic-of-china-in-latin-america-implic/

I certainly hope we cut ALL trade and diplomatic (and aid!!) ties with any country in South America that allows a Chinese military base.

Then I’d expect you’d be fine with China cutting diplomatic and economic ties with any nation with a Us military base. Germany, Greece, Japan, S Korea, Spain….

We are the good guys. You probably hate this country so much that you don’t think so, but it is true.

Oh the naivety and hypocrisy

Nobody tries to break into any country but western democracies

All the others are repellent to humanity

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is bringing visibility to a serious issue. This is how he does it. If you don't realize that by now, you haven't been paying attention.

What is the serious issue? Transit fees and ship quotas caused by drought and low water levels?

This isn't some petty bete noire of Trump’s. The Panama Canal is the transport mechanism for huge amounts of American goods, and US companies and consumers stand to gain a lot from evening the playing field. You really haven't provided an answer to any of this beyond "nuh uh" and "your dumb" and lots of cuss words. But these are indeed serious issues that the US has been tracking for quite some time.

The playing field isn't uneven. The U.S. isn't being treated unfairly. Trump may regret that the U.S. turned the canal over to Panama but he has no actual recourse.

We have quite a bit of recourse at this stage. But if we wait, while China gets more entrenched and sets up military bases, we will lose the ability to set the situation back to its prior status. The time to strike is now, while the situation between Panama and China is still nascent and fragile. Not when China has gained strength and Panama has more to lose by backing off of their relationship.

Is there any actual evidence that this is occurring?

Reread what I wrote. I said if we wait, they will become entrenched and set up military bases.

Yes, there are reports that China has discussed building military bases with various latin american governments.

This article gives a good overview of what I mean by China's attempts to become entrenched: https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ARTICLES/Article/3553735/the-expanding-leverage-of-the-peoples-republic-of-china-in-latin-america-implic/

I certainly hope we cut ALL trade and diplomatic (and aid!!) ties with any country in South America that allows a Chinese military base.

Then I’d expect you’d be fine with China cutting diplomatic and economic ties with any nation with a Us military base. Germany, Greece, Japan, S Korea, Spain….

We are the good guys. You probably hate this country so much that you don’t think so, but it is true.

Oh the naivety and hypocrisy

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is bringing visibility to a serious issue. This is how he does it. If you don't realize that by now, you haven't been paying attention.

What is the serious issue? Transit fees and ship quotas caused by drought and low water levels?

This isn't some petty bete noire of Trump’s. The Panama Canal is the transport mechanism for huge amounts of American goods, and US companies and consumers stand to gain a lot from evening the playing field. You really haven't provided an answer to any of this beyond "nuh uh" and "your dumb" and lots of cuss words. But these are indeed serious issues that the US has been tracking for quite some time.

The playing field isn't uneven. The U.S. isn't being treated unfairly. Trump may regret that the U.S. turned the canal over to Panama but he has no actual recourse.

We have quite a bit of recourse at this stage. But if we wait, while China gets more entrenched and sets up military bases, we will lose the ability to set the situation back to its prior status. The time to strike is now, while the situation between Panama and China is still nascent and fragile. Not when China has gained strength and Panama has more to lose by backing off of their relationship.

Is there any actual evidence that this is occurring?

Reread what I wrote. I said if we wait, they will become entrenched and set up military bases.

Yes, there are reports that China has discussed building military bases with various latin american governments.

This article gives a good overview of what I mean by China's attempts to become entrenched: https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ARTICLES/Article/3553735/the-expanding-leverage-of-the-peoples-republic-of-china-in-latin-america-implic/

I certainly hope we cut ALL trade and diplomatic (and aid!!) ties with any country in South America that allows a Chinese military base.

Then I’d expect you’d be fine with China cutting diplomatic and economic ties with any nation with a Us military base. Germany, Greece, Japan, S Korea, Spain….

We are the good guys. You probably hate this country so much that you don’t think so, but it is true.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is bringing visibility to a serious issue. This is how he does it. If you don't realize that by now, you haven't been paying attention.

What is the serious issue? Transit fees and ship quotas caused by drought and low water levels?

This isn't some petty bete noire of Trump’s. The Panama Canal is the transport mechanism for huge amounts of American goods, and US companies and consumers stand to gain a lot from evening the playing field. You really haven't provided an answer to any of this beyond "nuh uh" and "your dumb" and lots of cuss words. But these are indeed serious issues that the US has been tracking for quite some time.

The playing field isn't uneven. The U.S. isn't being treated unfairly. Trump may regret that the U.S. turned the canal over to Panama but he has no actual recourse.

We have quite a bit of recourse at this stage. But if we wait, while China gets more entrenched and sets up military bases, we will lose the ability to set the situation back to its prior status. The time to strike is now, while the situation between Panama and China is still nascent and fragile. Not when China has gained strength and Panama has more to lose by backing off of their relationship.

Is there any actual evidence that this is occurring?

Reread what I wrote. I said if we wait, they will become entrenched and set up military bases.

Yes, there are reports that China has discussed building military bases with various latin american governments.

This article gives a good overview of what I mean by China's attempts to become entrenched: https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ARTICLES/Article/3553735/the-expanding-leverage-of-the-peoples-republic-of-china-in-latin-america-implic/

I certainly hope we cut ALL trade and diplomatic (and aid!!) ties with any country in South America that allows a Chinese military base.

Then I’d expect you’d be fine with China cutting diplomatic and economic ties with any nation with a Us military base. Germany, Greece, Japan, S Korea, Spain….

Anonymous wrote:It's Trump creating a red herring when he can't reduce grocery prices, deport 13 million illegal immigrants then he somehow blames all our problems on Carter ceding the Panama Canal back to Panama!

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is bringing visibility to a serious issue. This is how he does it. If you don't realize that by now, you haven't been paying attention.

What is the serious issue? Transit fees and ship quotas caused by drought and low water levels?

This isn't some petty bete noire of Trump’s. The Panama Canal is the transport mechanism for huge amounts of American goods, and US companies and consumers stand to gain a lot from evening the playing field. You really haven't provided an answer to any of this beyond "nuh uh" and "your dumb" and lots of cuss words. But these are indeed serious issues that the US has been tracking for quite some time.

The playing field isn't uneven. The U.S. isn't being treated unfairly. Trump may regret that the U.S. turned the canal over to Panama but he has no actual recourse.

We have quite a bit of recourse at this stage. But if we wait, while China gets more entrenched and sets up military bases, we will lose the ability to set the situation back to its prior status. The time to strike is now, while the situation between Panama and China is still nascent and fragile. Not when China has gained strength and Panama has more to lose by backing off of their relationship.

Is there any actual evidence that this is occurring?

Reread what I wrote. I said if we wait, they will become entrenched and set up military bases.

Yes, there are reports that China has discussed building military bases with various latin american governments.

This article gives a good overview of what I mean by China's attempts to become entrenched: https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ARTICLES/Article/3553735/the-expanding-leverage-of-the-peoples-republic-of-china-in-latin-america-implic/

I certainly hope we cut ALL trade and diplomatic (and aid!!) ties with any country in South America that allows a Chinese military base.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is bringing visibility to a serious issue. This is how he does it. If you don't realize that by now, you haven't been paying attention.

What is the serious issue? Transit fees and ship quotas caused by drought and low water levels?

This isn't some petty bete noire of Trump’s. The Panama Canal is the transport mechanism for huge amounts of American goods, and US companies and consumers stand to gain a lot from evening the playing field. You really haven't provided an answer to any of this beyond "nuh uh" and "your dumb" and lots of cuss words. But these are indeed serious issues that the US has been tracking for quite some time.

The playing field isn't uneven. The U.S. isn't being treated unfairly. Trump may regret that the U.S. turned the canal over to Panama but he has no actual recourse.

We have quite a bit of recourse at this stage. But if we wait, while China gets more entrenched and sets up military bases, we will lose the ability to set the situation back to its prior status. The time to strike is now, while the situation between Panama and China is still nascent and fragile. Not when China has gained strength and Panama has more to lose by backing off of their relationship.

Is there any actual evidence that this is occurring?

Reread what I wrote. I said if we wait, they will become entrenched and set up military bases.

Yes, there are reports that China has discussed building military bases with various latin american governments.

This article gives a good overview of what I mean by China's attempts to become entrenched: https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ARTICLES/Article/3553735/the-expanding-leverage-of-the-peoples-republic-of-china-in-latin-america-implic/

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is bringing visibility to a serious issue. This is how he does it. If you don't realize that by now, you haven't been paying attention.

What is the serious issue? Transit fees and ship quotas caused by drought and low water levels?

This isn't some petty bete noire of Trump’s. The Panama Canal is the transport mechanism for huge amounts of American goods, and US companies and consumers stand to gain a lot from evening the playing field. You really haven't provided an answer to any of this beyond "nuh uh" and "your dumb" and lots of cuss words. But these are indeed serious issues that the US has been tracking for quite some time.

The playing field isn't uneven. The U.S. isn't being treated unfairly. Trump may regret that the U.S. turned the canal over to Panama but he has no actual recourse.

We have quite a bit of recourse at this stage. But if we wait, while China gets more entrenched and sets up military bases, we will lose the ability to set the situation back to its prior status. The time to strike is now, while the situation between Panama and China is still nascent and fragile. Not when China has gained strength and Panama has more to lose by backing off of their relationship.

Is there any actual evidence that this is occurring?

Reread what I wrote. I said if we wait, they will become entrenched and set up military bases.

Yes, there are reports that China has discussed building military bases with various latin american governments.

This article gives a good overview of what I mean by China's attempts to become entrenched: https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ARTICLES/Article/3553735/the-expanding-leverage-of-the-peoples-republic-of-china-in-latin-america-implic/