Anonymous
Post 12/03/2024 11:13     Subject: UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded
Makes no sense. VA Tech has already expanded more rapidly than their infrastructure supports. Private investors are making bank through cramped shit box housing at inflated prices. Rents there are ridiculous. It affects how the student community forms.

If you just randomly split up the universities how would students needing all those advanced labs get their education at Mary Washington? (No disrespect to MW, just numbers.)

VT really should not be larger and poultry science probably should not move to GmU. There’s always room for improvement, but this doesn’t make sense.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2024 11:01     Subject: UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This proposal makes no sense. There are already less selective public universities that are a good fit for a variety of kids. Just say what you really mean: you want your child to be admitted to a selective state university. If the schools do what you suggest, which is to accept a broader range of kids, what do you think will happen? The school will become less selective and it's not going to be impressive to anyone that your kid got in, so you're not going to be satisfied with that.


So then guaranteed admission for 4.0 and above with a 1250 and above. To the top 3.


You must not have a kid in college or about to go. You wouldn't want your kid with a 1250 at UVA. They'd probably fail out. There's a reason the selectivity is so high. And yes, my daughter is a 4th year there.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2024 10:14     Subject: UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This proposal makes no sense. There are already less selective public universities that are a good fit for a variety of kids. Just say what you really mean: you want your child to be admitted to a selective state university. If the schools do what you suggest, which is to accept a broader range of kids, what do you think will happen? The school will become less selective and it's not going to be impressive to anyone that your kid got in, so you're not going to be satisfied with that.


So then guaranteed admission for 4.0 and above with a 1250 and above. To the top 3.


This was obviously posted by the same mom who thinks her kid deserves to transfer to UVA because he has a 4.2 and a 1280 (or something like that). In my kids high School alone, there were probably 100 kids who fell into the 4.0 and 1250. You are ABSOLUTELY crazy OP if you think that deserves Automatic admission to the states best schools. Those stats are AVERAGE at best.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2024 10:13     Subject: UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You all are so lucky to live in VA. We are considering paying $70-$80k to send our kid to one of your schools…if they are lucky enough to even be admitted.


Maybe Virginia need to shrink the out of state student body to make more spots for taxpayer in state kids.


The catch is that OOS tuition is a major line item in campus budgets. The struggle has been even more visible than this at Michigan for years. Plus increasing the OOS ratio enhances selectivity. Plus OOS tuition is far more reliable than tax-base support that can be reduced by legislatures. State appropriations are a constant fear at public universities. So it's tougher math than it looks.


Except that UVA receives less than 6% of its budget from the Commonwealth. It made this decision a decade ago so it could be autonomous.


Source? Everything I can see says 11-12 percent.


Depends on if you count the hospital in the overall budget
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2024 10:12     Subject: UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded
What the heck? The OP is a bit off with their assertions and recommendations.

Look, my DS is a freshman in college and did not even thinking about applying to either VT, UVA or W&M. Why, because he knew that he didn't have the grades/scores/ECs to get into those schools.

Did we think that he should have applied and been accepted? No!

But, here in VA we are fortunate that there are a ton of options and he looked at those other options like CNU, VCU, ODU, Mary Washington and is at ODU.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2024 10:09     Subject: UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Perhaps raise tuition for the three flagship to double for in state students vs. the lessor schools.


Really? You want to reduce demand by pricing students out of the market? For a state school?


A few states price their flagship higher than the second tier schools and community colleges. For folks on financial aid it is meaningless. But keeps sharp elbowed rich folks looking at OOS options or paying fair share.

Why is University of Virginia and UNC at Chapel Hill so heavily subsidized for instate millionaires?



You really should educate yourself before posting. 30 seconds on wiki would have told you that UVA negotiated with the Commonwealth to start self-funding itself about 10-12 years ago in exchange for autonomy. It was so successful at self-management that the endowment ballooned and the legislature tried to regain control but failed. Today, UVA receives less than 6% of its entire budget from the Commonwealth. There is no "heavy subsidization".

As for providing education for "instate millionaires" I guess you don't understand how FAFSA (a federal financial aid program works); how UVA is one of the few publics that participates with Questbridge; that UVA actively seeks out potential Pell Grant recipients; that UVA runs UVA-Wise, which focuses on rural low-income students; that the current President, James Ryan, started a new program about three years ago called Blue Ridge Scholars which seeks out low-income students in the rural parts of Virginia which normally don't send many students to UVA, etc. The Board is always looking for ways to further reach out to low-income families. I believe it started a guarantee program similar to Harvard's where anyone with a HHI of less than say $120 (I woukd have to look it up
for the precise figure) attends free.

What more do you want out of a public? It's self-funding. The cost is almost negligible to the taxpayer. UVA funds the best hospital in the state and actively seeks out both URM and low-income students, all while self-financing. If you thinking legacy preference, that was made illegal last summer

The "millionaires" I know send their kids to Ivies or $93k a year SLACs because they can, not to UVA


Geez. UVA is not self-funding. If you took away the state dunding in state tuition would go to private school levels. There would be a huge impact to capital projects. UVA gets much more from the state on a per in state stdent basis than schools like GMU and JMU. Are you going to claim they are autonomous and self-funding as well?
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2024 10:03     Subject: UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You all are so lucky to live in VA. We are considering paying $70-$80k to send our kid to one of your schools…if they are lucky enough to even be admitted.


Maybe Virginia need to shrink the out of state student body to make more spots for taxpayer in state kids.


The catch is that OOS tuition is a major line item in campus budgets. The struggle has been even more visible than this at Michigan for years. Plus increasing the OOS ratio enhances selectivity. Plus OOS tuition is far more reliable than tax-base support that can be reduced by legislatures. State appropriations are a constant fear at public universities. So it's tougher math than it looks.


Except that UVA receives less than 6% of its budget from the Commonwealth. It made this decision a decade ago so it could be autonomous.


Source? Everything I can see says 11-12 percent.


If the medical center is included it is 6%. But the medical center has never received appropriations for operations. It operates from patient fees. The medical has been a rapidly growing part of the budget and is now well over 50%.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2024 09:55     Subject: UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This proposal makes no sense. There are already less selective public universities that are a good fit for a variety of kids. Just say what you really mean: you want your child to be admitted to a selective state university. If the schools do what you suggest, which is to accept a broader range of kids, what do you think will happen? The school will become less selective and it's not going to be impressive to anyone that your kid got in, so you're not going to be satisfied with that.


So then guaranteed admission for 4.0 and above with a 1250 and above. To the top 3.


1250 is way too low for guaranteed admission. There were kids with 1500+ who were not admitted in recent years.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2024 09:34     Subject: UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded
Anonymous wrote:This proposal makes no sense. There are already less selective public universities that are a good fit for a variety of kids. Just say what you really mean: you want your child to be admitted to a selective state university. If the schools do what you suggest, which is to accept a broader range of kids, what do you think will happen? The school will become less selective and it's not going to be impressive to anyone that your kid got in, so you're not going to be satisfied with that.


So then guaranteed admission for 4.0 and above with a 1250 and above. To the top 3.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2024 08:32     Subject: UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded
This proposal makes no sense. There are already less selective public universities that are a good fit for a variety of kids. Just say what you really mean: you want your child to be admitted to a selective state university. If the schools do what you suggest, which is to accept a broader range of kids, what do you think will happen? The school will become less selective and it's not going to be impressive to anyone that your kid got in, so you're not going to be satisfied with that.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2024 04:26     Subject: UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded
Different posters are comparing apples and oranges by accident.

As part of UVa's TOTAL budget, which includes all the schools, all grad schools, College at Wise, and the hospital and other stuff, state funding is in the 6% ballpark.

As a share of the budget narrowly for undergraduate schools in C'ville only, excluding Wise, excluding graduate schools, excluding hospital and excluding other stuff, state funding is closer to 10%.

Regardless, state funding for UVa is much smaller than for a public university in many other states, both in absolute $ amounts and in %.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2024 01:59     Subject: UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Perhaps raise tuition for the three flagship to double for in state students vs. the lessor schools.


Really? You want to reduce demand by pricing students out of the market? For a state school?


A few states price their flagship higher than the second tier schools and community colleges. For folks on financial aid it is meaningless. But keeps sharp elbowed rich folks looking at OOS options or paying fair share.

Why is University of Virginia and UNC at Chapel Hill so heavily subsidized for instate millionaires?



You really should educate yourself before posting. 30 seconds on wiki would have told you that UVA negotiated with the Commonwealth to start self-funding itself about 10-12 years ago in exchange for autonomy. It was so successful at self-management that the endowment ballooned and the legislature tried to regain control but failed. Today, UVA receives less than 6% of its entire budget from the Commonwealth. There is no "heavy subsidization".

As for providing education for "instate millionaires" I guess you don't understand how FAFSA (a federal financial aid program works); how UVA is one of the few publics that participates with Questbridge; that UVA actively seeks out potential Pell Grant recipients; that UVA runs UVA-Wise, which focuses on rural low-income students; that the current President, James Ryan, started a new program about three years ago called Blue Ridge Scholars which seeks out low-income students in the rural parts of Virginia which normally don't send many students to UVA, etc. The Board is always looking for ways to further reach out to low-income families. I believe it started a guarantee program similar to Harvard's where anyone with a HHI of less than say $120 (I woukd have to look it up
for the precise figure) attends free.

What more do you want out of a public? It's self-funding. The cost is almost negligible to the taxpayer. UVA funds the best hospital in the state and actively seeks out both URM and low-income students, all while self-financing. If you thinking legacy preference, that was made illegal last summer

The "millionaires" I know send their kids to Ivies or $93k a year SLACs because they can, not to UVA


In exchange for what autonomy? UVA gets like 10% of its funding from the state. It's a flagship...
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2024 01:48     Subject: UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Perhaps raise tuition for the three flagship to double for in state students vs. the lessor schools.


Really? You want to reduce demand by pricing students out of the market? For a state school?


A few states price their flagship higher than the second tier schools and community colleges. For folks on financial aid it is meaningless. But keeps sharp elbowed rich folks looking at OOS options or paying fair share.

Why is University of Virginia and UNC at Chapel Hill so heavily subsidized for instate millionaires?



You really should educate yourself before posting. 30 seconds on wiki would have told you that UVA negotiated with the Commonwealth to start self-funding itself about 10-12 years ago in exchange for autonomy. It was so successful at self-management that the endowment ballooned and the legislature tried to regain control but failed. Today, UVA receives less than 6% of its entire budget from the Commonwealth. There is no "heavy subsidization".

As for providing education for "instate millionaires" I guess you don't understand how FAFSA (a federal financial aid program works); how UVA is one of the few publics that participates with Questbridge; that UVA actively seeks out potential Pell Grant recipients; that UVA runs UVA-Wise, which focuses on rural low-income students; that the current President, James Ryan, started a new program about three years ago called Blue Ridge Scholars which seeks out low-income students in the rural parts of Virginia which normally don't send many students to UVA, etc. The Board is always looking for ways to further reach out to low-income families. I believe it started a guarantee program similar to Harvard's where anyone with a HHI of less than say $120 (I woukd have to look it up
for the precise figure) attends free.

What more do you want out of a public? It's self-funding. The cost is almost negligible to the taxpayer. UVA funds the best hospital in the state and actively seeks out both URM and low-income students, all while self-financing. If you thinking legacy preference, that was made illegal last summer

The "millionaires" I know send their kids to Ivies or $93k a year SLACs because they can, not to UVA
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2024 01:16     Subject: UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You all are so lucky to live in VA. We are considering paying $70-$80k to send our kid to one of your schools…if they are lucky enough to even be admitted.


Maybe Virginia need to shrink the out of state student body to make more spots for taxpayer in state kids.


The catch is that OOS tuition is a major line item in campus budgets. The struggle has been even more visible than this at Michigan for years. Plus increasing the OOS ratio enhances selectivity. Plus OOS tuition is far more reliable than tax-base support that can be reduced by legislatures. State appropriations are a constant fear at public universities. So it's tougher math than it looks.


Except that UVA receives less than 6% of its budget from the Commonwealth. It made this decision a decade ago so it could be autonomous.


Source? Everything I can see says 11-12 percent.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2024 01:12     Subject: UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You all are so lucky to live in VA. We are considering paying $70-$80k to send our kid to one of your schools…if they are lucky enough to even be admitted.


Maybe Virginia need to shrink the out of state student body to make more spots for taxpayer in state kids.


The catch is that OOS tuition is a major line item in campus budgets. The struggle has been even more visible than this at Michigan for years. Plus increasing the OOS ratio enhances selectivity. Plus OOS tuition is far more reliable than tax-base support that can be reduced by legislatures. State appropriations are a constant fear at public universities. So it's tougher math than it looks.


Except that UVA receives less than 6% of its budget from the Commonwealth. It made this decision a decade ago so it could be autonomous.