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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Friend was NMSF, 1590, top 5%, tons of rigor including AP Stat and BC Calc. Applied nursing to UVA and UNC from oos. Thought scores were good enough so didn't try elsewhere. Ended up at state university but not even in nursing program.
Now....mistake was only having two reaches. And nursing makes everything unsafe.

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Nursing is hard anywhere. But if you want to have better odds, you need 3-4 Targets and Safety schools that have direct admit nursing as well. If you are 75%+ at a Safety, and nursing admit rate is at least 20%+ you have a much better chance (don't know anywhere you'd get nursing admit over 50%)

In reality, if you only apply to T30 schools and a safety, odds are good you are attending your safety. But if you find 3-4 good target schools as well, you will most likely will get into one of them (ideally you should get into 50%)

The same year as this girl, another girl from hs with a great test score (though not 1590 great) and slightly lower rank applied to NYU, U of Miami, Clemson and Case Western nursing. Got in all of them for nursing.

Just curious the thinking on applying to pricey private schools like NYU, Miami and Case (I know Case is generous with merit) for nursing.

Is nursing like other professions where these grads get maybe niche jobs that pay a ton more vs. say a Towson nursing grad?

Anonymous wrote:Well duh, but the vast majority of people do need to think about ROI.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Friend was NMSF, 1590, top 5%, tons of rigor including AP Stat and BC Calc. Applied nursing to UVA and UNC from oos. Thought scores were good enough so didn't try elsewhere. Ended up at state university but not even in nursing program.
Now....mistake was only having two reaches. And nursing makes everything unsafe.

OOS is always a crapshoot, sure, but instate, Nursing

If she's not getting into nursing instate, who is?!

Is she permanently blocked from nursing, or just has to apply after first year?

Direct entry nursing is VERY competitive. I am in another state with our flagship acceptance rate of 65% but the BSN has 6% acceptance rate. I am sure UVA nursing is even more difficult to get into. I don't know who actually get in. People on DCUM don't really talk about nursing programs.

This is really interesting to me. I thought nursing was like teaching. Isn't there a shortage of well-trained nurses? Why aren't the programs expanding?

I likewise thought the same and had my eyes opened when DC went thru the application process this past cycle. Direct admit is indeed difficult and some schools don’t even offer it.

It’s just one of the reasons DC took a direct slot at a lower-ranked school (that still has a Level 1 trauma teaching hospital on campus). While it’s “direct,” it is still dependent on a 3.0 in certain prescribed classes like chemistry and biology. Didn’t want to have to “apply” yet again next Spring.

After much conversation with family and friends who are RNs, we’re still unsure it’s worthy of a $100K+ (total) degree when, as has also been pointed out here on DCUM, that the undergrad diploma location is largely a shoulder-shrug. DC has aspirations of NP or PA so it’s as much of a “see how it goes” as the actual degree. Plus, DC worked their a$$ off to have good enough grades, scores and ECs to get enough merit to keep the cost <= any other STEM (where the “M” could mean Medical) degree that has a lot of post-grad and occupational options.

So we are their biggest cheering section, atm.

DP. We know someone in the same situation and were wondering (to ourselves) why the student didn't simply go to a less expensive in-state university for nursing. It really doesn't matter where you go for undergrad nursing.

Why are people so mystified that someone might pay more than the bare minimum for a degree? Do people always go with the cheapest option when they pay for a house, car, wedding ring, watch, suit, vacation, bottle of wine, computer, TV, or dinner?

Unless you have a lot of money, yes, people on budgets go for the cheaper house, ring, tv, dinner, etc...

Also, that dinner is like $50, compared to $85K+ per year. Splurging on a nice tv, or vacation is not the same as spending that much money for a college education that you pay for four years.

How privileged you are to not realize this. Perhaps you should get out of your bubble, just a bit.

Yes, but the point is, some people have the money to spend. Maybe it's grandparents' money (often it is), maybe they've just saved forever, whatever. Maybe they just have one kid and this is what they want to spend it on. That people have different spending priorities should not be so shocking.

Personally, we are spending money on a more expensive, selective college for our oldest and I have a close friend with similar earnings who spends more money on houses, cars, vacations, spas, etc., who I know finds it silly. I didn't say anything when they made their kid choose a far less selective state school over the private he really wanted. It's all about choices.

The vast majority of colleges aren't worth $60K+/year from an ROI standpoint.

Your priority is spending money on your kid's college experience; others prioritize their vacations, or in our case, retirement.

Personally, I think it's silly to spend that much money on college just for the 4 years of that particular college experience. If they want to experience being out of state, they can get a job out of state and experience that. Heck, DH got a job across the pond to experience being out of the country.

Generally, people spend 10+ years in their house, so I can understand wanting a nice house. It also appreciates better.

I don't drive nice cars or buy name brand clothes, but we do prioritize experiences like traveling, and retirement.

The outcome for a kid who went to a $40K school vs most $60K+ school for the same major isn't all that different.

Again, that's your opinion. It's not all about the "outcome" -- which I assume you mean is the job? People have different amounts of money and value it different ways. I genuinely believe you make different kinds of connections and relationships in different schools settings that follow you all your life, for example. That's worth the money to me. You can do what you want with your money.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS had 4.0 GPA with 1590 SAT, and was accepted to an Ivy. He turned it down to attend George Mason on a full tuition+room/board scholarship because we would have to pay almost 85K per year, and we didn't receive any financial aid at the Ivy where he was accepted. Fast-forward to today, he is currently at UVA medical school.

Smart Choice!!!! Now he can graduate medical school without added debt from Undergrad (and possibly without much debt at all if you are able to help him).
Also, it is much easier to get high GPA, research, excellent recommendations at a "slightly lower ranked school" where your kid is Top Dog. THat's what med schools want to see. And in reality, where you go for undergrad does not affect medical school. It may just "seem that way" because people who can be full pay at Ivy are also the ones who can be full pay at medical school and don't have to search for the "most affordable medical school"

Sorry if this is a gumb question, but how did he go from george Mason to UVA

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Friend was NMSF, 1590, top 5%, tons of rigor including AP Stat and BC Calc. Applied nursing to UVA and UNC from oos. Thought scores were good enough so didn't try elsewhere. Ended up at state university but not even in nursing program.
Now....mistake was only having two reaches. And nursing makes everything unsafe.

OOS is always a crapshoot, sure, but instate, Nursing

If she's not getting into nursing instate, who is?!

Is she permanently blocked from nursing, or just has to apply after first year?

Direct entry nursing is VERY competitive. I am in another state with our flagship acceptance rate of 65% but the BSN has 6% acceptance rate. I am sure UVA nursing is even more difficult to get into. I don't know who actually get in. People on DCUM don't really talk about nursing programs.

This is really interesting to me. I thought nursing was like teaching. Isn't there a shortage of well-trained nurses? Why aren't the programs expanding?

I likewise thought the same and had my eyes opened when DC went thru the application process this past cycle. Direct admit is indeed difficult and some schools don’t even offer it.

It’s just one of the reasons DC took a direct slot at a lower-ranked school (that still has a Level 1 trauma teaching hospital on campus). While it’s “direct,” it is still dependent on a 3.0 in certain prescribed classes like chemistry and biology. Didn’t want to have to “apply” yet again next Spring.

After much conversation with family and friends who are RNs, we’re still unsure it’s worthy of a $100K+ (total) degree when, as has also been pointed out here on DCUM, that the undergrad diploma location is largely a shoulder-shrug. DC has aspirations of NP or PA so it’s as much of a “see how it goes” as the actual degree. Plus, DC worked their a$$ off to have good enough grades, scores and ECs to get enough merit to keep the cost <= any other STEM (where the “M” could mean Medical) degree that has a lot of post-grad and occupational options.

So we are their biggest cheering section, atm.

DP. We know someone in the same situation and were wondering (to ourselves) why the student didn't simply go to a less expensive in-state university for nursing. It really doesn't matter where you go for undergrad nursing.

Why are people so mystified that someone might pay more than the bare minimum for a degree? Do people always go with the cheapest option when they pay for a house, car, wedding ring, watch, suit, vacation, bottle of wine, computer, TV, or dinner?

Unless you have a lot of money, yes, people on budgets go for the cheaper house, ring, tv, dinner, etc...

Also, that dinner is like $50, compared to $85K+ per year. Splurging on a nice tv, or vacation is not the same as spending that much money for a college education that you pay for four years.

How privileged you are to not realize this. Perhaps you should get out of your bubble, just a bit.

Yes, but the point is, some people have the money to spend. Maybe it's grandparents' money (often it is), maybe they've just saved forever, whatever. Maybe they just have one kid and this is what they want to spend it on. That people have different spending priorities should not be so shocking.

Personally, we are spending money on a more expensive, selective college for our oldest and I have a close friend with similar earnings who spends more money on houses, cars, vacations, spas, etc., who I know finds it silly. I didn't say anything when they made their kid choose a far less selective state school over the private he really wanted. It's all about choices.

The vast majority of colleges aren't worth $60K+/year from an ROI standpoint.

Your priority is spending money on your kid's college experience; others prioritize their vacations, or in our case, retirement.

Personally, I think it's silly to spend that much money on college just for the 4 years of that particular college experience. If they want to experience being out of state, they can get a job out of state and experience that. Heck, DH got a job across the pond to experience being out of the country.

Generally, people spend 10+ years in their house, so I can understand wanting a nice house. It also appreciates better.

I don't drive nice cars or buy name brand clothes, but we do prioritize experiences like traveling, and retirement.

The outcome for a kid who went to a $40K school vs most $60K+ school for the same major isn't all that different.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS had 4.0 GPA with 1590 SAT, and was accepted to an Ivy. He turned it down to attend George Mason on a full tuition+room/board scholarship because we would have to pay almost 85K per year, and we didn't receive any financial aid at the Ivy where he was accepted. Fast-forward to today, he is currently at UVA medical school.

Smart Choice!!!! Now he can graduate medical school without added debt from Undergrad (and possibly without much debt at all if you are able to help him).
Also, it is much easier to get high GPA, research, excellent recommendations at a "slightly lower ranked school" where your kid is Top Dog. THat's what med schools want to see. And in reality, where you go for undergrad does not affect medical school. It may just "seem that way" because people who can be full pay at Ivy are also the ones who can be full pay at medical school and don't have to search for the "most affordable medical school"