Anonymous
10/15/2024 18:59
Subject: If every kid is doing the same damn EC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One of my coworkers' wife, who is an AO at an Ivy, said this to me at the company last year Christmas party:
How to get rejected by Ivies:
- I have 4.0 GPA with 12 AP classes
AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same achievement
- I am the violin first chair in the orchestra,
AO response: There are 1200 Asian kids with the same achievement
- I score 1570+ on the SAT
AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same score as you
- I am an accomplished pianist
AO response: There are 800 Asian kids that can play piano just as good as you, if not better
- I found a nonprofit to help the homeless:
AO response: There are 500 Asian kids that also do the same thing like you
How to get accepted by Ivies:
- I can play guitar like Slash of Guns 'n Roses. I can show you how I play "November Rain" or "sweet child o mine"
AO response: Now that's unique. We would love to have you at the university
- I have a TikTok influencer with over 2M followers
AO response: Amazing. You know how to monetize your influence. It means more exposure for the university. Welcome to the university.
You get the idea...
And this is why schools like Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Duke, and Northwestern prioritize “individual achievement, notoriety, success, or ranking” in non-academic areas.
These kids with some sort of fame, including an individual random “hobby” that will garner continued national recognition or achievement matter a lot more than a perfect scores and perfect grades.
A university wants successful accomplished and famous alumni.
A larger predictor of that is this exact type of individual drive/creativity and success in HS.
Test scores and grades do not get you there.
This is the entire point or reason behind holistic admissions.
Test scores a better predictor of success after college than almost anything else.
Everything from peer reviewed publications to financial success to scientific accomplishments.
If a 1600 SAT ukelele player is somehow more prone to success than a 1600 violin player, I would bet it has more to do with their risk tolerance and willingness to do new things.
Test scores are a predictor of someone doing well in a middle management job and maxing out at $350k a year.
That is not "success" in a T20 college eyes. Sure, they need some of those poeple....but they are willing to take a bet/leap on the more interesting creative kids who won't play by the rules.
Let me guess which one is your kid.
Only a small fraction of Ivy League graduates are making 350k/year at any point in their lives.. A vast majority would be ecstatic to get there.
Whatever small fraction do, is still many times that of graduates of other schools on a per capita basis.
So, I don't get the point.
yes so is the fraction that makes over 200k...higher at T10/ivy. 200k, 350k are both amazing salaries, and yet that level is realistically attainable, and happens with more frequency at top schools. Picking a college on Centi-millionairs makes no sense. It just happens to correlate quite well to the colleges that create more top 1-2%ers, which can make sense for ROI focused people.
Anonymous
10/15/2024 18:27
Subject: Re:If every kid is doing the same damn EC
The difference is made by how your student reflects what they did to the kind of person they are. That’s the art and the truth.
Anonymous
10/15/2024 18:24
Subject: Re:If every kid is doing the same damn EC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are tons of kids who get into top colleges with the formula of:
Top grades in hardest tracks
Tippy top test scores
Enough ECs to pass muster as well rounded
This was me and most of my friends, who were all top 25% (and usually top 10%) at Ivy graduation.
Um, did you graduate in the last 5-8 years? If not, then your experience is irrelevant.
Omg - that’s my line…except it is the last 2-3 years.
Anonymous
10/15/2024 18:07
Subject: If every kid is doing the same damn EC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:*to appeal
The only thing white people are doing more than Asians are sports. Asians are doing origami, ukulele, circus and the rest of the junk mentioned here.
White people are doing better in team sports popular in US. Asians actually perform better in swimming, golf, gymnastics etc. Because these are sports where individual performance matters and Asians do not get blocked by their coaches or other parents.
Golf and tennis…not sure where you are getting the stats for swimming and gymnastics.
don't pick a sport with a lot of people who look like you....
lots of other individual sports out there.
check out club sports at stanford for ideas.
even though club, they NEED people to fill those spots.
Stanford cut 1/3 of their varsity sports teams just a few years ago. They really don’t care that much about club sports lol
Anonymous
10/15/2024 16:43
Subject: Re:If every kid is doing the same damn EC
Anonymous wrote:There are tons of kids who get into top colleges with the formula of:
Top grades in hardest tracks
Tippy top test scores
Enough ECs to pass muster as well rounded
This was me and most of my friends, who were all top 25% (and usually top 10%) at Ivy graduation.
Um, did you graduate in the last 5-8 years? If not, then your experience is irrelevant.
Anonymous
10/15/2024 16:08
Subject: If every kid is doing the same damn EC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:*to appeal
The only thing white people are doing more than Asians are sports. Asians are doing origami, ukulele, circus and the rest of the junk mentioned here.
White people are doing better in team sports popular in US. Asians actually perform better in swimming, golf, gymnastics etc. Because these are sports where individual performance matters and Asians do not get blocked by their coaches or other parents.
We watched the olympics, thanks. We know what Asians are good at.
Watching the Olympics, I don’t see white people particularly good at team sports either. It was mostly black people contributing to the medals for the USA. White people are actually good at playing discrimination games because they’re the majority of this country.
However, on a pure numbers basis it was probably 50/50 between white and URM in total if you add up the team sports where the US medaled (basketball, women’s soccer, women’s volleyball and women’s rugby)…actually slightly more white.
27 out of 595 US athletes were Asian American. 10 of the 27 were badminton and ping pong.
there are also plenty of whites competing for european countries.
Anonymous
10/15/2024 15:57
Subject: Re:If every kid is doing the same damn EC
Obviously, you should pressure your kid to be trans so that s/he/they can be the first trans president of the French club or whatever.
Anonymous
10/15/2024 15:51
Subject: If every kid is doing the same damn EC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:*to appeal
The only thing white people are doing more than Asians are sports. Asians are doing origami, ukulele, circus and the rest of the junk mentioned here.
White people are doing better in team sports popular in US. Asians actually perform better in swimming, golf, gymnastics etc. Because these are sports where individual performance matters and Asians do not get blocked by their coaches or other parents.
We watched the olympics, thanks. We know what Asians are good at.
Watching the Olympics, I don’t see white people particularly good at team sports either. It was mostly black people contributing to the medals for the USA. White people are actually good at playing discrimination games because they’re the majority of this country.
However, on a pure numbers basis it was probably 50/50 between white and URM in total if you add up the team sports where the US medaled (basketball, women’s soccer, women’s volleyball and women’s rugby)…actually slightly more white.
27 out of 595 US athletes were Asian American. 10 of the 27 were badminton and ping pong.
Anonymous
10/15/2024 15:48
Subject: If every kid is doing the same damn EC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Which EC is everyone doing?
NP: varsity sports (non-recruit), club leader, Debate/Model UN, student gov, music/band, robotics/science fair, volunteering (animal shelters, church, or hospital)
this is why winning nationals in debate is a huge, basically a golden ticket. but that's a pair of kids in the US. do you regular ol' debate is meaningful? it's not. (I mean, it is .. all these are good things for kids to develop their voice, etc but doenst matter for college)
same with music, science fair , etc
Debate championship performances look like this:
clearly ivy league material
Anonymous
10/15/2024 15:40
Subject: If every kid is doing the same damn EC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:*to appeal
The only thing white people are doing more than Asians are sports. Asians are doing origami, ukulele, circus and the rest of the junk mentioned here.
White people are doing better in team sports popular in US. Asians actually perform better in swimming, golf, gymnastics etc. Because these are sports where individual performance matters and Asians do not get blocked by their coaches or other parents.
We watched the olympics, thanks. We know what Asians are good at.
Watching the Olympics, I don’t see white people particularly good at team sports either. It was mostly black people contributing to the medals for the USA. White people are actually good at playing discrimination games because they’re the majority of this country.
Anonymous
10/15/2024 15:01
Subject: If every kid is doing the same damn EC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Which EC is everyone doing?
NP: varsity sports (non-recruit), club leader, Debate/Model UN, student gov, music/band, robotics/science fair, volunteering (animal shelters, church, or hospital)
this is why winning nationals in debate is a huge, basically a golden ticket. but that's a pair of kids in the US. do you regular ol' debate is meaningful? it's not. (I mean, it is .. all these are good things for kids to develop their voice, etc but doenst matter for college)
same with music, science fair , etc
Debate championship performances look like this:
Anonymous
10/15/2024 14:51
Subject: If every kid is doing the same damn EC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:*to appeal
The only thing white people are doing more than Asians are sports. Asians are doing origami, ukulele, circus and the rest of the junk mentioned here.
White people are doing better in team sports popular in US. Asians actually perform better in swimming, golf, gymnastics etc. Because these are sports where individual performance matters and Asians do not get blocked by their coaches or other parents.
Golf and tennis…not sure where you are getting the stats for swimming and gymnastics.
don't pick a sport with a lot of people who look like you....
lots of other individual sports out there.
check out club sports at stanford for ideas.
even though club, they NEED people to fill those spots.
I don’t know Stanford, but my kid’s Ivy has club teams that exist one year, don’t the next, come back, etc. Usually go through cycles vs year-to-year Yes or No.
They don’t seem to care if a Club sport continues or not.
Anonymous
10/15/2024 14:47
Subject: If every kid is doing the same damn EC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:*to appeal
The only thing white people are doing more than Asians are sports. Asians are doing origami, ukulele, circus and the rest of the junk mentioned here.
White people are doing better in team sports popular in US. Asians actually perform better in swimming, golf, gymnastics etc. Because these are sports where individual performance matters and Asians do not get blocked by their coaches or other parents.
We watched the olympics, thanks. We know what Asians are good at.
Anonymous
10/15/2024 14:44
Subject: If every kid is doing the same damn EC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:*to appeal
The only thing white people are doing more than Asians are sports. Asians are doing origami, ukulele, circus and the rest of the junk mentioned here.
White people are doing better in team sports popular in US. Asians actually perform better in swimming, golf, gymnastics etc. Because these are sports where individual performance matters and Asians do not get blocked by their coaches or other parents.
Golf and tennis…not sure where you are getting the stats for swimming and gymnastics.
don't pick a sport with a lot of people who look like you....
lots of other individual sports out there.
check out club sports at stanford for ideas.
even though club, they NEED people to fill those spots.
Anonymous
10/15/2024 14:43
Subject: If every kid is doing the same damn EC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:*to appeal
The only thing white people are doing more than Asians are sports. Asians are doing origami, ukulele, circus and the rest of the junk mentioned here.
White people are doing better in team sports popular in US. Asians actually perform better in swimming, golf, gymnastics etc. Because these are sports where individual performance matters and Asians do not get blocked by their coaches or other parents.
Golf and tennis…not sure where you are getting the stats for swimming and gymnastics.