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Anonymous wrote:She should shave her legs or wear pants. I wish I could say it won't matter but it will.

Her generation is a lot more progressive about this but her bosses will be millennials and up and all of us shave our legs.

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GenX doesn’t care. We have teens of our own. We get it.

I’m guessing it’s mostly millennials having a fit, feeling threatened and usurped by the youth. And boomers who still wear pantyhose.

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Anonymous wrote:These women will be pulled aside by a supervisor and told to shave their legs as that is the standard in a professional office setting.

It is an uncomfortable conversation for a supervisor to have.

If your daughter is doing farm work in the summer or lawn care in the summer she can probably get by with unshaved legs but it is not the standard in the US.

This is incorrect. Men need to stop telling women that shaving is the "standard".

I doubt anyone would go as far as to tell her to shave, especially a "man" in a supervisory position. But the PP is correct that is still the standard. Currently sitting in my DC office where no woman has visible hair on her legs. We have a ton of recent college grads here too.

I'm blonde, you'd have to get inches away from my legs to see hair. Are you doing this with all your co-workers? I highly doubt it. There are likely women who aren't shaving/waxing regularly in your office, you are just too busy doing your job (as you should be!) to notice how long their leg hair is.

Being purposefully obtuse I see. I imagine if you were blessed with long dark hair on your legs like I was you'd either wear pants or shave. I imagine if I had hair barely visible like you, I'd go around being proud for bucking the trend

Anonymous wrote:These women will be pulled aside by a supervisor and told to shave their legs as that is the standard in a professional office setting.

It is an uncomfortable conversation for a supervisor to have.

If your daughter is doing farm work in the summer or lawn care in the summer she can probably get by with unshaved legs but it is not the standard in the US.

You are clueless about the workplace in 2024. You cannot say anything about a person's body at all or you will get reprimanded, reassigned, demoted. Do it twice and you will be out of a job. Weighing 500 lbs is worse than leg hair, and you know very well that you cannot comment that obesity is unprofessional, so how is a leg hair comment going to fly???

You can gossip about Hairy Legs Larleigh and Wanda the Beached Whale at happy hour. At work you keep your lips zipped.

I promise you no one is going to pull her aside and tell her to shave her legs, that’s crazy. It’s not a hygiene or even dress code issue. Those are real uncomfortable conversations to have, and they do affect other people if you smell bad. But the “teen intern with unshaved legs” is just maybe going to get some weird looks, that is IF people even notice. So I think she’s fine for now. Just make sure her clothes are office appropriate.

Anonymous wrote:Nowadays people have half shaved/half blue hair and enough metal in their face to set off a metal detector. I think she will be fine.

I'm on DD's side. Still, the nose piercings and spiked hair and tattoos etc. were once what the unshaven legs are apparently today - or at least in this forum and perhaps at some places of employment. It is a valid point in that regard. Nevertheless, I think it will break through the prejudices and discriminatory biases more quickly than those other things did.

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Anonymous wrote:These women will be pulled aside by a supervisor and told to shave their legs as that is the standard in a professional office setting.

It is an uncomfortable conversation for a supervisor to have.

If your daughter is doing farm work in the summer or lawn care in the summer she can probably get by with unshaved legs but it is not the standard in the US.

This is incorrect. Men need to stop telling women that shaving is the "standard".

I doubt anyone would go as far as to tell her to shave, especially a "man" in a supervisory position. But the PP is correct that is still the standard. Currently sitting in my DC office where no woman has visible hair on her legs. We have a ton of recent college grads here too.

There are too many men on this thread disparaging young women from dressing and grooming how they like. Its just keeping misogyny in power. These men don't want women dressing how these women prefer, they want to keep women dressing how men prefer. They don't want their pretty little eye candies to even dare to want to skip shaving - how else will they keep the patriarchy alive?

Just let women be! Shaving is NOT necessary, it is NOT a standard, it is NOT enforceable in almost all work settings. Women who continue to perpetuate this stereotype are doing young women no favors. Men who continue to perpetuate this stereotype are just gross and creepy, but that sounds like most 50+ losers ogling HS girls, so let's not pay them any mind here.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you all need to get with the times. I’ve seen male school administrators wearing nail polish to work, wedding coordinators at very traditional, conservative weddings with bright purple hair. Nobody cares about a high school girl’s leg hair.

So then you don't shave your legs either? Do you wear skirts and dresses to the office?

I do, but I wouldn’t care if I saw someone at work who didn’t. My high school DD only does very occasionally. This is her journey on earth, she can present herself how she wants.

So you're a hypocrite. Telling us how we must get with the times and then succumb to the pressure of shaving. Why do you do it if you're so with the times?

No, my intention was not to suggest that everyone should stop shaving. By “get with the times,” I meant that people should (at least try to) stop judging people’s choices about how they present themselves. Sorry you misunderstood.

But you still understand the societal and professional impact of not shaving, so you do it. What am I missing?

Do you not understand the difference between doing something because YOU want to do it, and expecting everyone else to do exactly as YOU do because YOU want them to?

You can wear a full face of makeup, full blowout and do an everything shower every morning before you get to work. No one else is required to follow your self imposed grooming standards. Stop judging women who don't want to fit into your tiny narrow box full of other old ladies.

Exactly. PP has probably never worked with people from a variety of cultures. Certainly isn’t c-level.

I said I work in a c-suite not that I am an excutive. It’s pretty clear your are not in a professional office environment and it’s clear why. It’s most important to you to fight some stupid leg hair battle than to be successful.

Dear, it is YOU fighting some stupid battle. The rest of us are just living our lives, some shaved, some waxed, some neither. You should try minding your own business, you may find it liberating!

I’m plenty liberated and answering OPs question. I’m just smarter than you and have figured out that work is not a place for self expression. I also don’t care that a McDonalds manager doesn’t feel the need to shave. But if you want to be successful, for now at least, that is the norm. But I get that you don’t know that.

Lol! You're so triggered by other women not wanting to remove their leg hair. It's quite bizarre that you seem to think you're the smartest person on the internet and everyone who disagrees with you is lesser somehow . Maybe someone hurt you or stifled your desires from a young age, no need to perpetuate such hate now that you're a grown adult. Insecure people lash out like you're doing, therapy may be helpful for you.

😂😂😂. OP asked for opinions and I offered one. I may not be the smartest person on the internet but I’m definitely smarter than you. Still waiting to hear what you do, since you’re so brave and qualified to answer OP.

Why do you think I have to prove myself to you? You're so hurt and yet entitled at the same time, weird mix.

I go into the office twice a week - yes, sometimes with hairy legs! Working out just fine for me, but your concern is touching.

Because you are full of shit and giving young women bad advice. That’s why.

When was the last time you saw a women in upper management with hairy legs? Does not happen.

1. perhaps because any upper management woman is of an older generation and/or
2. wears pants because that's how women tried to be taken more seriously like a man v. some chick in a skirt; but likely because
3. The generation that more prevalently does not shave is too young to have climbed the ranks to upper management yet. Also,
4. I've never looked, so I've not noticed whether any upper management woman had hairy legs or not.

And how does that contradict what I said or what OP suggested her daughter should do?

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you all need to get with the times. I’ve seen male school administrators wearing nail polish to work, wedding coordinators at very traditional, conservative weddings with bright purple hair. Nobody cares about a high school girl’s leg hair.

So then you don't shave your legs either? Do you wear skirts and dresses to the office?

I do, but I wouldn’t care if I saw someone at work who didn’t. My high school DD only does very occasionally. This is her journey on earth, she can present herself how she wants.

So you're a hypocrite. Telling us how we must get with the times and then succumb to the pressure of shaving. Why do you do it if you're so with the times?

No, my intention was not to suggest that everyone should stop shaving. By “get with the times,” I meant that people should (at least try to) stop judging people’s choices about how they present themselves. Sorry you misunderstood.

But you still understand the societal and professional impact of not shaving, so you do it. What am I missing?

Do you not understand the difference between doing something because YOU want to do it, and expecting everyone else to do exactly as YOU do because YOU want them to?

You can wear a full face of makeup, full blowout and do an everything shower every morning before you get to work. No one else is required to follow your self imposed grooming standards. Stop judging women who don't want to fit into your tiny narrow box full of other old ladies.

Exactly. PP has probably never worked with people from a variety of cultures. Certainly isn’t c-level.

I said I work in a c-suite not that I am an excutive. It’s pretty clear your are not in a professional office environment and it’s clear why. It’s most important to you to fight some stupid leg hair battle than to be successful.

Dear, it is YOU fighting some stupid battle. The rest of us are just living our lives, some shaved, some waxed, some neither. You should try minding your own business, you may find it liberating!

I’m plenty liberated and answering OPs question. I’m just smarter than you and have figured out that work is not a place for self expression. I also don’t care that a McDonalds manager doesn’t feel the need to shave. But if you want to be successful, for now at least, that is the norm. But I get that you don’t know that.

Lol! You're so triggered by other women not wanting to remove their leg hair. It's quite bizarre that you seem to think you're the smartest person on the internet and everyone who disagrees with you is lesser somehow . Maybe someone hurt you or stifled your desires from a young age, no need to perpetuate such hate now that you're a grown adult. Insecure people lash out like you're doing, therapy may be helpful for you.

😂😂😂. OP asked for opinions and I offered one. I may not be the smartest person on the internet but I’m definitely smarter than you. Still waiting to hear what you do, since you’re so brave and qualified to answer OP.

Why do you think I have to prove myself to you? You're so hurt and yet entitled at the same time, weird mix.

I go into the office twice a week - yes, sometimes with hairy legs! Working out just fine for me, but your concern is touching.

Because you are full of shit and giving young women bad advice. That’s why.

When was the last time you saw a women in upper management with hairy legs? Does not happen.

How old are you? How long has it been since you were a teen? I don't think you have any clue what is happening with the younger generation. And you basically outed yourself as a bigot who would base promotions and work success based on something so sexist and shallow. I doubt you're csuite with this kind of attitude. You're probably not even a woman.

A bigot 😂😂😂😂😂😂 ??? Because I would advise a young woman starting out her career not to stand out in a negative way. Sure!

I think OP got what she needed out of this thread and her daughter will either listen to her mother or she won’t. Consequences are hers either way. I’m out.

This is your opinion about unshaven female legs. SOme share it, many do not. It's not a clear "negative way" of standing out.

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Anonymous wrote:These women will be pulled aside by a supervisor and told to shave their legs as that is the standard in a professional office setting.

It is an uncomfortable conversation for a supervisor to have.

If your daughter is doing farm work in the summer or lawn care in the summer she can probably get by with unshaved legs but it is not the standard in the US.

This is incorrect. Men need to stop telling women that shaving is the "standard".

I doubt anyone would go as far as to tell her to shave, especially a "man" in a supervisory position. But the PP is correct that is still the standard. Currently sitting in my DC office where no woman has visible hair on her legs. We have a ton of recent college grads here too.

I'm blonde, you'd have to get inches away from my legs to see hair. Are you doing this with all your co-workers? I highly doubt it. There are likely women who aren't shaving/waxing regularly in your office, you are just too busy doing your job (as you should be!) to notice how long their leg hair is.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you all need to get with the times. I’ve seen male school administrators wearing nail polish to work, wedding coordinators at very traditional, conservative weddings with bright purple hair. Nobody cares about a high school girl’s leg hair.

So then you don't shave your legs either? Do you wear skirts and dresses to the office?

I do, but I wouldn’t care if I saw someone at work who didn’t. My high school DD only does very occasionally. This is her journey on earth, she can present herself how she wants.

So you're a hypocrite. Telling us how we must get with the times and then succumb to the pressure of shaving. Why do you do it if you're so with the times?

No, my intention was not to suggest that everyone should stop shaving. By “get with the times,” I meant that people should (at least try to) stop judging people’s choices about how they present themselves. Sorry you misunderstood.

But you still understand the societal and professional impact of not shaving, so you do it. What am I missing?

Do you not understand the difference between doing something because YOU want to do it, and expecting everyone else to do exactly as YOU do because YOU want them to?

You can wear a full face of makeup, full blowout and do an everything shower every morning before you get to work. No one else is required to follow your self imposed grooming standards. Stop judging women who don't want to fit into your tiny narrow box full of other old ladies.

Exactly. PP has probably never worked with people from a variety of cultures. Certainly isn’t c-level.

I said I work in a c-suite not that I am an excutive. It’s pretty clear your are not in a professional office environment and it’s clear why. It’s most important to you to fight some stupid leg hair battle than to be successful.

Dear, it is YOU fighting some stupid battle. The rest of us are just living our lives, some shaved, some waxed, some neither. You should try minding your own business, you may find it liberating!

I’m plenty liberated and answering OPs question. I’m just smarter than you and have figured out that work is not a place for self expression. I also don’t care that a McDonalds manager doesn’t feel the need to shave. But if you want to be successful, for now at least, that is the norm. But I get that you don’t know that.

Lol! You're so triggered by other women not wanting to remove their leg hair. It's quite bizarre that you seem to think you're the smartest person on the internet and everyone who disagrees with you is lesser somehow . Maybe someone hurt you or stifled your desires from a young age, no need to perpetuate such hate now that you're a grown adult. Insecure people lash out like you're doing, therapy may be helpful for you.

😂😂😂. OP asked for opinions and I offered one. I may not be the smartest person on the internet but I’m definitely smarter than you. Still waiting to hear what you do, since you’re so brave and qualified to answer OP.

Why do you think I have to prove myself to you? You're so hurt and yet entitled at the same time, weird mix.

I go into the office twice a week - yes, sometimes with hairy legs! Working out just fine for me, but your concern is touching.

Because you are full of shit and giving young women bad advice. That’s why.

When was the last time you saw a women in upper management with hairy legs? Does not happen.

1. perhaps because any upper management woman is of an older generation and/or
2. wears pants because that's how women tried to be taken more seriously like a man v. some chick in a skirt; but likely because
3. The generation that more prevalently does not shave is too young to have climbed the ranks to upper management yet. Also,
4. I've never looked, so I've not noticed whether any upper management woman had hairy legs or not.

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Anonymous wrote:If she doesn't shave she'll have to get by on her skills and your connections, not her looks. Her choice.

Which is a good thing, right?

Can the PP please clarify the meaning of
“If she doesn't shave she'll have to get by on her skills and your connections, not her looks. Her choice.”

Obviously, that poster has had to rely on their looks to get what they want.

Is it still not clear to you that both men and women need to worry about their appearance in order to be successful in most careers?

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Anonymous wrote:These women will be pulled aside by a supervisor and told to shave their legs as that is the standard in a professional office setting.

It is an uncomfortable conversation for a supervisor to have.

If your daughter is doing farm work in the summer or lawn care in the summer she can probably get by with unshaved legs but it is not the standard in the US.

This is incorrect. Men need to stop telling women that shaving is the "standard".

I doubt anyone would go as far as to tell her to shave, especially a "man" in a supervisory position. But the PP is correct that is still the standard. Currently sitting in my DC office where no woman has visible hair on her legs. We have a ton of recent college grads here too.

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Anonymous wrote:Tell her to wear pantyhose if she doesn't want to shave! Isn't that what our grandmother's generation did?

Fall is just around the corner - she can wear tights!

Do high school girls wear tights?

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Anonymous wrote:If she doesn't shave she'll have to get by on her skills and your connections, not her looks. Her choice.

Which is a good thing, right?

Can the PP please clarify the meaning of
“If she doesn't shave she'll have to get by on her skills and your connections, not her looks. Her choice.”

Obviously, that poster has had to rely on their looks to get what they want.

Anonymous wrote:These women will be pulled aside by a supervisor and told to shave their legs as that is the standard in a professional office setting.

It is an uncomfortable conversation for a supervisor to have.

If your daughter is doing farm work in the summer or lawn care in the summer she can probably get by with unshaved legs but it is not the standard in the US.

This is incorrect. Men need to stop telling women that shaving is the "standard".