Anonymous wrote:I don’t have plastic surgery but I’ve heard from women who got their boobs done that, even though their husbands weren’t thrilled about the idea, they couldn’t keep their eyes and hands off of them once they did.

While I think few people love the balloon bolt on type, a skilled surgeon can do amazing things.

I’m a dh who falls into this category. I did my best to talk her out of it - she’s already hot and just didn’t need it. At the end of the day its her body and this was something that was important to her. But damn, they’re really nice, she looks great and she’s been really nice about sharing. Lol.

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Anonymous wrote:It really doesn’t matter what the man thinks anyone. It should always be what the woman wants. It’s her body.

On an individual level, sure. But when this stuff becomes commodified and reinforced over and over through marketing and social media as something a woman is expected to do in order to be (or remain) desirable, it’s a problem. We’ve got 10 year old hooked on skin serums intended for middle-aged women now. The industry is just priming the pipeline for future Botox customers. (Or facelift, eye job, whatever…) When we shrug it off as no big deal, we’re essentially making it more acceptable to pitch to younger and younger people who really don’t need it.

It’s not a woman’s responsibility to deny herself Botox or a nose job because some younger person might then want it. Do you feel the same way about makeup? Hair dye? Orthodontics? Fashion?

It’s not your job to deny yourself, but at least accept that you’re participating in a system whose existence depends on making women feel bad about themselves. All of those other things you mentioned are also part of it to some extent, but thankfully none of them involve general anesthesia or the risk of permanent disfigurement.

It can also be part of a system that makes people feel good about themselves. We've never had as much control over our own appearances as we do today.

My breast augmentation made me feel like myself again after three rounds of nursing. Shame on anyone who would attempt to make me feel like a societal problem simply because I took advantage of modern medicine to look the way I did pre pregnancies. You don’t want plastic surgery? No problem. But don’t try to shame me for my choice which has absolutely nothing to do with you.

I never understand these “made me feel like myself again” posts. You are a woman who nursed three children. That’s who you are. You are not some teenager.

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Anonymous wrote:It really doesn’t matter what the man thinks anyone. It should always be what the woman wants. It’s her body.

On an individual level, sure. But when this stuff becomes commodified and reinforced over and over through marketing and social media as something a woman is expected to do in order to be (or remain) desirable, it’s a problem. We’ve got 10 year old hooked on skin serums intended for middle-aged women now. The industry is just priming the pipeline for future Botox customers. (Or facelift, eye job, whatever…) When we shrug it off as no big deal, we’re essentially making it more acceptable to pitch to younger and younger people who really don’t need it.

It’s not a woman’s responsibility to deny herself Botox or a nose job because some younger person might then want it. Do you feel the same way about makeup? Hair dye? Orthodontics? Fashion?

It’s not your job to deny yourself, but at least accept that you’re participating in a system whose existence depends on making women feel bad about themselves. All of those other things you mentioned are also part of it to some extent, but thankfully none of them involve general anesthesia or the risk of permanent disfigurement.

Claudia Schiffer shouldn’t walk out of her house. Non supermodel women shouldn’t feel less than by her natural beauty.

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Anonymous wrote:It really doesn’t matter what the man thinks anyone. It should always be what the woman wants. It’s her body.

On an individual level, sure. But when this stuff becomes commodified and reinforced over and over through marketing and social media as something a woman is expected to do in order to be (or remain) desirable, it’s a problem. We’ve got 10 year old hooked on skin serums intended for middle-aged women now. The industry is just priming the pipeline for future Botox customers. (Or facelift, eye job, whatever…) When we shrug it off as no big deal, we’re essentially making it more acceptable to pitch to younger and younger people who really don’t need it.

It’s not a woman’s responsibility to deny herself Botox or a nose job because some younger person might then want it. Do you feel the same way about makeup? Hair dye? Orthodontics? Fashion?

It’s not your job to deny yourself, but at least accept that you’re participating in a system whose existence depends on making women feel bad about themselves. All of those other things you mentioned are also part of it to some extent, but thankfully none of them involve general anesthesia or the risk of permanent disfigurement.

It can also be part of a system that makes people feel good about themselves. We've never had as much control over our own appearances as we do today.

My breast augmentation made me feel like myself again after three rounds of nursing. Shame on anyone who would attempt to make me feel like a societal problem simply because I took advantage of modern medicine to look the way I did pre pregnancies. You don’t want plastic surgery? No problem. But don’t try to shame me for my choice which has absolutely nothing to do with you.

I wouldn't want to be married to a woman who would spend money on that. I'm not rich enough for it.

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Anonymous wrote:It really doesn’t matter what the man thinks anyone. It should always be what the woman wants. It’s her body.

On an individual level, sure. But when this stuff becomes commodified and reinforced over and over through marketing and social media as something a woman is expected to do in order to be (or remain) desirable, it’s a problem. We’ve got 10 year old hooked on skin serums intended for middle-aged women now. The industry is just priming the pipeline for future Botox customers. (Or facelift, eye job, whatever…) When we shrug it off as no big deal, we’re essentially making it more acceptable to pitch to younger and younger people who really don’t need it.

It’s not a woman’s responsibility to deny herself Botox or a nose job because some younger person might then want it. Do you feel the same way about makeup? Hair dye? Orthodontics? Fashion?

It’s not your job to deny yourself, but at least accept that you’re participating in a system whose existence depends on making women feel bad about themselves. All of those other things you mentioned are also part of it to some extent, but thankfully none of them involve general anesthesia or the risk of permanent disfigurement.

It can also be part of a system that makes people feel good about themselves. We've never had as much control over our own appearances as we do today.

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Anonymous wrote:It really doesn’t matter what the man thinks anyone. It should always be what the woman wants. It’s her body.

On an individual level, sure. But when this stuff becomes commodified and reinforced over and over through marketing and social media as something a woman is expected to do in order to be (or remain) desirable, it’s a problem. We’ve got 10 year old hooked on skin serums intended for middle-aged women now. The industry is just priming the pipeline for future Botox customers. (Or facelift, eye job, whatever…) When we shrug it off as no big deal, we’re essentially making it more acceptable to pitch to younger and younger people who really don’t need it.

It’s not a woman’s responsibility to deny herself Botox or a nose job because some younger person might then want it. Do you feel the same way about makeup? Hair dye? Orthodontics? Fashion?

It’s not your job to deny yourself, but at least accept that you’re participating in a system whose existence depends on making women feel bad about themselves. All of those other things you mentioned are also part of it to some extent, but thankfully none of them involve general anesthesia or the risk of permanent disfigurement.

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Anonymous wrote:It really doesn’t matter what the man thinks anyone. It should always be what the woman wants. It’s her body.

On an individual level, sure. But when this stuff becomes commodified and reinforced over and over through marketing and social media as something a woman is expected to do in order to be (or remain) desirable, it’s a problem. We’ve got 10 year old hooked on skin serums intended for middle-aged women now. The industry is just priming the pipeline for future Botox customers. (Or facelift, eye job, whatever…) When we shrug it off as no big deal, we’re essentially making it more acceptable to pitch to younger and younger people who really don’t need it.

It’s not a woman’s responsibility to deny herself Botox or a nose job because some younger person might then want it. Do you feel the same way about makeup? Hair dye? Orthodontics? Fashion?

Anonymous wrote:It really doesn’t matter what the man thinks anyone. It should always be what the woman wants. It’s her body.

On an individual level, sure. But when this stuff becomes commodified and reinforced over and over through marketing and social media as something a woman is expected to do in order to be (or remain) desirable, it’s a problem. We’ve got 10 year old hooked on skin serums intended for middle-aged women now. The industry is just priming the pipeline for future Botox customers. (Or facelift, eye job, whatever…) When we shrug it off as no big deal, we’re essentially making it more acceptable to pitch to younger and younger people who really don’t need it.

I’m in my 50s and have a handful of friends who’ve had plastic surgery. Not to stereotype but in my experience the more neurotic insecure ones get it more than the chill low maintenance ones. I can’t tell you which is more attractive to men, they all seem to do pretty well regardless as long as they’re in shape.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI, Botox might be linked to ALS. The type of ALS that starts in the mouth disproportionately strikes older women, who also happen to be the target market of Botox.

Data: https://www.ehealthme.com/ds/botox/amyotrophic-lateral-sclerosis/

Of the nearly 70,000 users who reported side effects using Botox, 16 have reported having ALS. That’s your link? Do people even read and think about the links they post?

That's more than double the occurence in the general population.

Actually, ALS might be 4x as common among Botox users than the general population.

16 ALS cases out of 70,000 Botox users = 0.02%
Current prevalence of ALS in the US estimated at 5 people out of 100,000 = 0.005%

It’s not 70,000 Botox users. Of all the Botox users, 70,000 reported side effects. Both of you are inflating the alleged rate of occurrence.

Sorry, I take this back. This looks to be a study with people who are taking Botox for migraine - not the general population. But you are still inflating the stats by taking using the sample of people taking it for a CNS issue.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI, Botox might be linked to ALS. The type of ALS that starts in the mouth disproportionately strikes older women, who also happen to be the target market of Botox.

Data: https://www.ehealthme.com/ds/botox/amyotrophic-lateral-sclerosis/

Of the nearly 70,000 users who reported side effects using Botox, 16 have reported having ALS. That’s your link? Do people even read and think about the links they post?

That's more than double the occurence in the general population.

Actually, ALS might be 4x as common among Botox users than the general population.

16 ALS cases out of 70,000 Botox users = 0.02%
Current prevalence of ALS in the US estimated at 5 people out of 100,000 = 0.005%

It’s not 70,000 Botox users. Of all the Botox users, 70,000 reported side effects. Both of you are inflating the alleged rate of occurrence.

Anonymous wrote:FYI, Botox might be linked to ALS. The type of ALS that starts in the mouth disproportionately strikes older women, who also happen to be the target market of Botox.

Data: https://www.ehealthme.com/ds/botox/amyotrophic-lateral-sclerosis/

Plz take your Botox scare mongering somewhere else. Botox isn’t even plastic surgery anyway.

If someone has one feature changed because that particular feature really bothers then and you can’t really tell…then go for it. I know someone who had B cup implants after her kids and another person who had a nose job as she had just always hated her nose. Neither did anything else.

I think the danger comes when people start using it to deny aging or alter their appearance or to buy into gender norms about how they should look. They have one procedure done then another and another. When it is noticeable, you have gone too far. Sends a terrible message to the younger generation of women and girls.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t have plastic surgery but I’ve heard from women who got their boobs done that, even though their husbands weren’t thrilled about the idea, they couldn’t keep their eyes and hands off of them once they did.

All the more reason not to do them.