Anonymous wrote:Let me tell you about the crap from Planned Parenthood that shows up in my mailbox.

You must of connected with them at some point. I get nothing and I’m pro choice.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing….. By the way, I a public school teacher, you get a religious card in your mailbox BUT there is more. We also, at staff meetings, pray over our food that is given to us at staff meetings. We end with a bible verse. Cards passed around to sign due to birthdays or passings are religious. It’s a lot and I think they should be kept out of schools. We have 60 staff and it’s hard not to feel uncomfortable or the odd one out when everyone holds hands and bows their head but that one teacher doesn’t. Just keep it out of school and keep it moving.

All allowed. Work on your feelings of being uncomfortable in therapy.

Ah, no. Praying and ending with a Bible verse in public school is not allowed. Say grace over your own food if you need to, but no group prayer. Absolutely no need for a Bible verse. Especially since not everyone is comfortable with it.

So, you missed the recent Supreme Court case then? And didn't read the link above?

NP what link? Are you under the impression that the Supreme Court ruled that school administrators are allowed to force everyone to pray?

No, not the official staff meeting part, and no coercion by the boss, and never of students or when students are present. But there has been significant loosening of what is allowed, and the PP's mention of religious cards circulating for birthdays in the lounge, teachers on break praying together over meals -- all allowed.

"The Constitution does not, however, prohibit school employees themselves from engaging in private prayer during the workday where they are not acting in their official capacities and where their prayer does not result in any coercion of students. Before school or during breaks, for instance, teachers may meet with other teachers for prayer or religious study to the same extent that they may engage in other conversation or nonreligious activities. School employees may also engage in private religious expression or brief personal religious observance during such times, subject to the same neutral rules the school applies to other private conduct by its employees." https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/religionandschools/prayer_guidance.html

They can force you to look at the 10 Commandments.
Keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t we just love to feel outraged?

It wouldn’t have bothered me at all. I’m not religious. I’m just logical. It’s a local church performing outreach. Fine. A local hotel did that at my school. They sent us all coupons for a night’s stay. Fine. I would have thrown both away and gone on to live my life rage-free. But I’m agreeable like that.

But if you want to get angry because somebody did something harmless, then go for it. I personally don’t think we need to add more rage into our already angry society, but you do you OP.

It’s against the law but other than that I’m so, so, so glad you’re not bothered by this Pollyanna. Your means means nothing to me. Keep church stuff out of school.

Wow, how obnoxious you are. It takes me about .3 seconds to move it from my mailbox to the trash. No proselytizing was done in the classroom. Nobody forced students (or me) to pray. This is such a nonissue to me.

But I deal with real problems every day, so I guess fake problems don’t register. It’s a good thing we have others who can take the little, insignificant stuff and go nuclear about them. I’m sure they are performing some important service. Somehow.

How obnoxious and privileged you are that you never experienced religious persecution. The school is not just for you to dumb moron. As I’ve stated before, it’s against the law so I don’t give a rats ass what upsets you personally. It’s a 100% proselytizing and it has no place in schools. Your feelings and reactions are irrelevant.

Perhaps you are far wiser than me. All I can find online is many references to the fact churches CAN distribute flyers at schools. Can you point out the specific law?

I stand by my initial thought. I’m going to throw out the flyer. I’m also going to throw out most of the flyers with it. I’m too busy doing my job, so I don’t have room to get angry about the little things.

I may not have a lot of room for religion, but someone I work with may. The same way someone I work with may find use in the soccer lesson flyer, the store coupon, etc.

I’m not about limiting people.

Why do you keep repeating how you feel about this. It’s completely irrelevant. It’s against the law. That is the only thing that matters. Churches absolutely can’t enter a school and spew their shit. You are insane. Students can have a prayer group if they organize it themselves but that’s an entirely different thing.

DP: Whether the flyer is legal or not depends on a few things. Does the school allow other outside mail to be put in the mail boxes, like advertisements from private companies? Invitations to non-school-related events?

"Schools may impose the same reasonable time, place, or manner restrictions on distribution of religious literature as they do on non-school literature generally, but they may not target religious literature for more permissive or more restrictive regulation." https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/religionandschools/prayer_guidance.html

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing….. By the way, I a public school teacher, you get a religious card in your mailbox BUT there is more. We also, at staff meetings, pray over our food that is given to us at staff meetings. We end with a bible verse. Cards passed around to sign due to birthdays or passings are religious. It’s a lot and I think they should be kept out of schools. We have 60 staff and it’s hard not to feel uncomfortable or the odd one out when everyone holds hands and bows their head but that one teacher doesn’t. Just keep it out of school and keep it moving.

All allowed. Work on your feelings of being uncomfortable in therapy.

Ah, no. Praying and ending with a Bible verse in public school is not allowed. Say grace over your own food if you need to, but no group prayer. Absolutely no need for a Bible verse. Especially since not everyone is comfortable with it.

So, you missed the recent Supreme Court case then? And didn't read the link above?

NP what link? Are you under the impression that the Supreme Court ruled that school administrators are allowed to force everyone to pray?

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing….. By the way, I a public school teacher, you get a religious card in your mailbox BUT there is more. We also, at staff meetings, pray over our food that is given to us at staff meetings. We end with a bible verse. Cards passed around to sign due to birthdays or passings are religious. It’s a lot and I think they should be kept out of schools. We have 60 staff and it’s hard not to feel uncomfortable or the odd one out when everyone holds hands and bows their head but that one teacher doesn’t. Just keep it out of school and keep it moving.

All allowed. Work on your feelings of being uncomfortable in therapy.

Ah, no. Praying and ending with a Bible verse in public school is not allowed. Say grace over your own food if you need to, but no group prayer. Absolutely no need for a Bible verse. Especially since not everyone is comfortable with it.

So, you missed the recent Supreme Court case then? And didn't read the link above?

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Anonymous wrote:When OP gets thank you notes from a class on puppy cards they can get livid because cats and ferrets were not represented.

You are an idiot. Keep your weirdo religious views to yourself.

What's weirdo about worshipping cats, ferrets or dogs?

Trump will make that seem benign once they make you memorize the 10 Commandments to advance to 2nd grade.

well...at least cats, ferrets and dogs are real

Livid?
Come on now

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Anonymous wrote:When OP gets thank you notes from a class on puppy cards they can get livid because cats and ferrets were not represented.

You are an idiot. Keep your weirdo religious views to yourself.

What's weirdo about worshipping cats, ferrets or dogs?

Trump will make that seem benign once they make you memorize the 10 Commandments to advance to 2nd grade.

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Anonymous wrote:Every English speaking person in the world should be familiar with at least some of the King James Bible. It is as central to our language and culture as Shakespeare's works.

Cool story bro. Plenty of churches that teach it for all who are interested.

Lol. Hysterical

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Anonymous wrote:This thread proves again that there is no hate like Christian "love".

What’s hateful about putting a card with a verse on it in a mailbox?

Cramming your religion down other people’s throats at their place of work where it’s actually illegal to do that is extremely hateful.

Just because a very sad soul reads a greeting card as "cramming religion down other people's throats" does not make it so.

It sounds like a lovely greeting, wishing teachers a good year. Take a chill pill, PP, or perhaps something stronger. You are beginning to sound unhinged.

I hope you get fired if you ever do this shit at work. Keep your religious shit at home. I want no part of it. You have no right to inflict it on me. Also, it’s against the law to do this at schools so the unhinged ones are the ones breaking the law .

You’re really dumb.

The Supreme Court disagrees with you.

So does the Constitution.

Really? How so the smart one?

Anonymous wrote:The most “liberal” people are the most close-minded. You think you’re so open and accepting and non judgmental but only towards those who share your same values and beliefs.

As I learned in a long ago Bible study, don’t be so open-minded that your brain falls out.

I’m praying for you, OP - that you find peace and serenity and that your heart won’t be troubled by those of us who truly care about our fellow man and feel that our world needs kindness and compassion.

I’m a trauma survivor and can tell you that if things like this bother you to this extent, you really need to step back and reevaluate your mental health. This isn’t the hill to die on, OP.

this is laughable.
They don't care about teachers. They care about getting their message of the unseen fairy across.

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Anonymous wrote:Do schools have an HR dept? I'd bring it up to them. Secretary should not be delivering religious messages from anyone.

Our children's elementary school principal had a cross in her office as well as Bible verses in frames on the wall.

This angers you, but you lobbied to have Eid a holiday beacause.... progressive and inclusive calendar.

You people are a joke.

It’s a joke that you don’t get any ALL of the kids deserve to have off for their religious holidays and not just your heathen. You are simply too dumb to understand what the constitution writers meant by “separation of church and state.” Keep you flyers to yourself!

Please have your mom translate your post.

You understood me perfectly. You just don’t like I’m right.

DP - I clearly don't understand you. Why are you yelling about the separation of church and state in a bizarre defense of a holiday for a religeous minority in public schools?

Separation of church and state means there is no state established religion. Much to your dismay I’m sure. Christian holidays were de facto built in because…history. So other religions had to fight for a right to have the same rights to celebrate their religion outside of school. There is still no religion in schools. Make sense now?

That’s not how it works.

At all.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread proves again that there is no hate like Christian "love".

What’s hateful about putting a card with a verse on it in a mailbox?

Cramming your religion down other people’s throats at their place of work where it’s actually illegal to do that is extremely hateful.

Just because a very sad soul reads a greeting card as "cramming religion down other people's throats" does not make it so.

It sounds like a lovely greeting, wishing teachers a good year. Take a chill pill, PP, or perhaps something stronger. You are beginning to sound unhinged.

I hope you get fired if you ever do this shit at work. Keep your religious shit at home. I want no part of it. You have no right to inflict it on me. Also, it’s against the law to do this at schools so the unhinged ones are the ones breaking the law .

You’re really dumb.

The Supreme Court disagrees with you.

So does the Constitution.

Anonymous wrote:When OP gets thank you notes from a class on puppy cards they can get livid because cats and ferrets were not represented.

You are an idiot. Keep your weirdo religious views to yourself.