Anonymous
Post 03/22/2025 17:30     Subject: Pomona Vs Williams

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Anonymous wrote:Pomona is a great option if you prefer warmer climate.

Pomona is a great option if your kid wants to be suspended for a year by the school president — with no school judicial proceedings whatsoever— after attending a first-ever sit-in as a freshman.


That could happen anywhere now. Kids, beware.


that's scary.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2025 17:29     Subject: Re:Pomona Vs Williams

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Anonymous wrote:Eph ‘03 here. Remember that reality happens and you might be too stressed/overworked to even take up a tutorial- they’ve improved, but before only 30ish% of students took up tutorial. It also can be extremely taxing not having anywhere to go. Williams is very isolated and as a woman of color growing into herself, I do think it was a bit of a detriment to be so far away from anything of interest.

The math department is very strong. One of Williams’ golden Children up there with Econ. I was an art history major which…had some support, not as much as those majors for sure. Seeing where my class went, if DC wants to be a researcher, head over to Pomona. Most of the math majors in my class ran straight to finance.

Very important consideration. You are likely to not take a tutorial, or not be prepared to take one. Williams is MUCH more pre professional and ivy-like culturally than Pomona, which is closer to Stanford.


Half the kids decide to try a tutorial.


Yes we just toured. Half take one and if you take one, you're very likely to take more than one. Also, a common regret is not taking at least one.

That’s a pitch. Many students wish they hadn’t taken one at all. You do not understand the pressure of a tutorial, nor the preferences of students. You only gave information from fancy brochures.


I graduated from Oxford so I might have some idea? Anyway, the numbers are the numbers. Half the kids take one. And those who take one are more likely than not to take another.

And that has to do with Williams because…? Do you know how all math departments work if you graduate from math at Oxford? Exactly. Please be a bit less insistent on your credentials if they have nothing to do wirh our discussion.


you: You do not understand the pressure of a tutorial, nor the preferences of students. You only gave information from fancy brochures.
me: I graduated from Oxford so I might have some idea?

if you want to change this discussion to the math department at Williams when you were there (when 30% of kids did tutorials so I'm guessing at least 20 years ago now), then sure: please inform us and we will give this dated information the value it deserves.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2025 17:28     Subject: Pomona Vs Williams

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Anonymous wrote:Pomona is a great option if you prefer warmer climate.

Pomona is a great option if your kid wants to be suspended for a year by the school president — with no school judicial proceedings whatsoever— after attending a first-ever sit-in as a freshman.


That could happen anywhere now. Kids, beware.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2025 17:28     Subject: Pomona Vs Williams

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Anonymous wrote:DS got into both yesterday, and we are anxious to see which he picks. He's leaning heavily towards Pomona, but we want him closer at Williams. Nail biter for sure.



Trust me, doing that several hour drive from Boston in the ice and snow will not make Williams feel closer. Pomona has a much nicer vibe among profs and students, but look at the programs in his planned major to compare.


It’s 3.5 hours from Manhattan, door to door, we just drove it and were surprised how easy it was to get to.

Skiing is big at Williams, there is a slope about 20 minutes from campus that the school runs shuttles to and some kids even work ski patrol. I do think kids need to like winter.

I love Southern California but not the Inland empire.

I mean, that’s great and all, but mt baldy is even closer to the Claremont colleges- you’re literally on the foothills of the mountains. Both have ski and snowboard teams that are very active, so if your choice is skiing either will work. In general, outdoorsy things are going to win out at the Claremont colleges over Williams.



Have you been to Williams? Lots to love for an outdoorsy student.

I googled driving distance from Pomona college to Mt. Baldy ski resort and got back 30 minutes, which last I checked was longer than 20 minutes.

What’s with the snark? Also, yes I’ve been to Williams- I spent two years there as an academic coordinator. If you’re outdoorsy Southern California has so many more options- you’ve been before, let’s get real.


It’s so hot once you get a few miles from the coast and the air quality is often bad/smoggy. It doesn’t do much for me personally. LA, San Diego, Santa Barbara or the beach towns in between, a big yes. The Valley or Inland Empire, no thanks.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2025 17:28     Subject: Pomona Vs Williams

Anonymous wrote:Mt Baldy is closed for all of 2025 and likely 2026.

The ski resort? DD was on it yesterday.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2025 17:25     Subject: Pomona Vs Williams

Mt Baldy is closed for all of 2025 and likely 2026.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2025 17:24     Subject: Re:Pomona Vs Williams

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Anonymous wrote:Eph ‘03 here. Remember that reality happens and you might be too stressed/overworked to even take up a tutorial- they’ve improved, but before only 30ish% of students took up tutorial. It also can be extremely taxing not having anywhere to go. Williams is very isolated and as a woman of color growing into herself, I do think it was a bit of a detriment to be so far away from anything of interest.

The math department is very strong. One of Williams’ golden Children up there with Econ. I was an art history major which…had some support, not as much as those majors for sure. Seeing where my class went, if DC wants to be a researcher, head over to Pomona. Most of the math majors in my class ran straight to finance.

Very important consideration. You are likely to not take a tutorial, or not be prepared to take one. Williams is MUCH more pre professional and ivy-like culturally than Pomona, which is closer to Stanford.


Half the kids decide to try a tutorial.


Yes we just toured. Half take one and if you take one, you're very likely to take more than one. Also, a common regret is not taking at least one.

That’s a pitch. Many students wish they hadn’t taken one at all. You do not understand the pressure of a tutorial, nor the preferences of students. You only gave information from fancy brochures.


I graduated from Oxford so I might have some idea? Anyway, the numbers are the numbers. Half the kids take one. And those who take one are more likely than not to take another.

And that has to do with Williams because…? Do you know how all math departments work if you graduate from math at Oxford? Exactly. Please be a bit less insistent on your credentials if they have nothing to do wirh our discussion.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2025 17:23     Subject: Pomona Vs Williams

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Anonymous wrote:DS got into both yesterday, and we are anxious to see which he picks. He's leaning heavily towards Pomona, but we want him closer at Williams. Nail biter for sure.



Trust me, doing that several hour drive from Boston in the ice and snow will not make Williams feel closer. Pomona has a much nicer vibe among profs and students, but look at the programs in his planned major to compare.


It’s 3.5 hours from Manhattan, door to door, we just drove it and were surprised how easy it was to get to.

Skiing is big at Williams, there is a slope about 20 minutes from campus that the school runs shuttles to and some kids even work ski patrol. I do think kids need to like winter.

I love Southern California but not the Inland empire.

I mean, that’s great and all, but mt baldy is even closer to the Claremont colleges- you’re literally on the foothills of the mountains. Both have ski and snowboard teams that are very active, so if your choice is skiing either will work. In general, outdoorsy things are going to win out at the Claremont colleges over Williams.



Have you been to Williams? Lots to love for an outdoorsy student.

I googled driving distance from Pomona college to Mt. Baldy ski resort and got back 30 minutes, which last I checked was longer than 20 minutes.

What’s with the snark? Also, yes I’ve been to Williams- I spent two years there as an academic coordinator. If you’re outdoorsy Southern California has so many more options- you’ve been before, let’s get real.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2025 17:20     Subject: Pomona Vs Williams

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Anonymous wrote:DS got into both yesterday, and we are anxious to see which he picks. He's leaning heavily towards Pomona, but we want him closer at Williams. Nail biter for sure.



Trust me, doing that several hour drive from Boston in the ice and snow will not make Williams feel closer. Pomona has a much nicer vibe among profs and students, but look at the programs in his planned major to compare.


It’s 3.5 hours from Manhattan, door to door, we just drove it and were surprised how easy it was to get to.

Skiing is big at Williams, there is a slope about 20 minutes from campus that the school runs shuttles to and some kids even work ski patrol. I do think kids need to like winter.

I love Southern California but not the Inland empire.

I mean, that’s great and all, but mt baldy is even closer to the Claremont colleges- you’re literally on the foothills of the mountains. Both have ski and snowboard teams that are very active, so if your choice is skiing either will work. In general, outdoorsy things are going to win out at the Claremont colleges over Williams.



Have you been to Williams? Lots to love for an outdoorsy student.

I googled driving distance from Pomona college to Mt. Baldy ski resort and got back 30 minutes, which last I checked was longer than 20 minutes.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2025 17:20     Subject: Re:Pomona Vs Williams

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Eph ‘03 here. Remember that reality happens and you might be too stressed/overworked to even take up a tutorial- they’ve improved, but before only 30ish% of students took up tutorial. It also can be extremely taxing not having anywhere to go. Williams is very isolated and as a woman of color growing into herself, I do think it was a bit of a detriment to be so far away from anything of interest.

The math department is very strong. One of Williams’ golden Children up there with Econ. I was an art history major which…had some support, not as much as those majors for sure. Seeing where my class went, if DC wants to be a researcher, head over to Pomona. Most of the math majors in my class ran straight to finance.

Very important consideration. You are likely to not take a tutorial, or not be prepared to take one. Williams is MUCH more pre professional and ivy-like culturally than Pomona, which is closer to Stanford.


Half the kids decide to try a tutorial.

50% is a pretty large number of students not taking a tutorial.


sure. you def don't have to and there are plenty of STEM kids who don't think they fit with their interests.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2025 17:19     Subject: Re:Pomona Vs Williams

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Eph ‘03 here. Remember that reality happens and you might be too stressed/overworked to even take up a tutorial- they’ve improved, but before only 30ish% of students took up tutorial. It also can be extremely taxing not having anywhere to go. Williams is very isolated and as a woman of color growing into herself, I do think it was a bit of a detriment to be so far away from anything of interest.

The math department is very strong. One of Williams’ golden Children up there with Econ. I was an art history major which…had some support, not as much as those majors for sure. Seeing where my class went, if DC wants to be a researcher, head over to Pomona. Most of the math majors in my class ran straight to finance.

Very important consideration. You are likely to not take a tutorial, or not be prepared to take one. Williams is MUCH more pre professional and ivy-like culturally than Pomona, which is closer to Stanford.


Half the kids decide to try a tutorial.


Yes we just toured. Half take one and if you take one, you're very likely to take more than one. Also, a common regret is not taking at least one.

That’s a pitch. Many students wish they hadn’t taken one at all. You do not understand the pressure of a tutorial, nor the preferences of students. You only gave information from fancy brochures.


it's possible things are not like they were in 1991.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2025 17:19     Subject: Re:Pomona Vs Williams

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Eph ‘03 here. Remember that reality happens and you might be too stressed/overworked to even take up a tutorial- they’ve improved, but before only 30ish% of students took up tutorial. It also can be extremely taxing not having anywhere to go. Williams is very isolated and as a woman of color growing into herself, I do think it was a bit of a detriment to be so far away from anything of interest.

The math department is very strong. One of Williams’ golden Children up there with Econ. I was an art history major which…had some support, not as much as those majors for sure. Seeing where my class went, if DC wants to be a researcher, head over to Pomona. Most of the math majors in my class ran straight to finance.

Very important consideration. You are likely to not take a tutorial, or not be prepared to take one. Williams is MUCH more pre professional and ivy-like culturally than Pomona, which is closer to Stanford.


Half the kids decide to try a tutorial.


Yes we just toured. Half take one and if you take one, you're very likely to take more than one. Also, a common regret is not taking at least one.

That’s a pitch. Many students wish they hadn’t taken one at all. You do not understand the pressure of a tutorial, nor the preferences of students. You only gave information from fancy brochures.


I graduated from Oxford so I might have some idea? Anyway, the numbers are the numbers. Half the kids take one. And those who take one are more likely than not to take another.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2025 17:18     Subject: Re:Pomona Vs Williams

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Eph ‘03 here. Remember that reality happens and you might be too stressed/overworked to even take up a tutorial- they’ve improved, but before only 30ish% of students took up tutorial. It also can be extremely taxing not having anywhere to go. Williams is very isolated and as a woman of color growing into herself, I do think it was a bit of a detriment to be so far away from anything of interest.

The math department is very strong. One of Williams’ golden Children up there with Econ. I was an art history major which…had some support, not as much as those majors for sure. Seeing where my class went, if DC wants to be a researcher, head over to Pomona. Most of the math majors in my class ran straight to finance.

Very important consideration. You are likely to not take a tutorial, or not be prepared to take one. Williams is MUCH more pre professional and ivy-like culturally than Pomona, which is closer to Stanford.


Half the kids decide to try a tutorial.


Yes we just toured. Half take one and if you take one, you're very likely to take more than one. Also, a common regret is not taking at least one.

That’s a pitch. Many students wish they hadn’t taken one at all. You do not understand the pressure of a tutorial, nor the preferences of students. You only gave information from fancy brochures.


90 percent of the kids who take a tutorial decide to take a second. We just were at Williams and they shared that stat. Both our tour guide and the student who spoke at our info session had taken a tutorial which they raved about, and said they planned to take another (both sophomores).
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2025 17:17     Subject: Pomona Vs Williams

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DS got into both yesterday, and we are anxious to see which he picks. He's leaning heavily towards Pomona, but we want him closer at Williams. Nail biter for sure.



Trust me, doing that several hour drive from Boston in the ice and snow will not make Williams feel closer. Pomona has a much nicer vibe among profs and students, but look at the programs in his planned major to compare.


It’s 3.5 hours from Manhattan, door to door, we just drove it and were surprised how easy it was to get to.

Skiing is big at Williams, there is a slope about 20 minutes from campus that the school runs shuttles to and some kids even work ski patrol. I do think kids need to like winter.

I love Southern California but not the Inland empire.

I mean, that’s great and all, but mt baldy is even closer to the Claremont colleges- you’re literally on the foothills of the mountains. Both have ski and snowboard teams that are very active, so if your choice is skiing either will work. In general, outdoorsy things are going to win out at the Claremont colleges over Williams.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2025 17:15     Subject: Re:Pomona Vs Williams

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Eph ‘03 here. Remember that reality happens and you might be too stressed/overworked to even take up a tutorial- they’ve improved, but before only 30ish% of students took up tutorial. It also can be extremely taxing not having anywhere to go. Williams is very isolated and as a woman of color growing into herself, I do think it was a bit of a detriment to be so far away from anything of interest.

The math department is very strong. One of Williams’ golden Children up there with Econ. I was an art history major which…had some support, not as much as those majors for sure. Seeing where my class went, if DC wants to be a researcher, head over to Pomona. Most of the math majors in my class ran straight to finance.

Very important consideration. You are likely to not take a tutorial, or not be prepared to take one. Williams is MUCH more pre professional and ivy-like culturally than Pomona, which is closer to Stanford.


Half the kids decide to try a tutorial.


Yes we just toured. Half take one and if you take one, you're very likely to take more than one. Also, a common regret is not taking at least one.

That’s a pitch. Many students wish they hadn’t taken one at all. You do not understand the pressure of a tutorial, nor the preferences of students. You only gave information from fancy brochures.