Anonymous
06/14/2024 16:27
Subject: European Parliament Elections Going Far Right
Anonymous wrote:Reminder that the UK will be moving to the left at their next election, after years of conservative government. That's how it usually goes--people get tired of whichever party/coalition is in power after a while and want something new.
Moving to the left probably means less deplorable rhetoric about migrants but it remains to be seen what the new government will do to address concerns.
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Anonymous
06/14/2024 10:12
Subject: European Parliament Elections Going Far Right
Reminder that the UK will be moving to the left at their next election, after years of conservative government. That's how it usually goes--people get tired of whichever party/coalition is in power after a while and want something new.
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Anonymous
06/14/2024 00:54
Subject: Re:European Parliament Elections Going Far Right
So Hungary gets fined 200 million Euros and 1 million Euros a day. They have refused to take in asylum seekers for four years (the court ruling was in 2020). So that comes to 50 million Euros a year.
Meanwhile NYC on their official website notes:
So far, in Fiscal Year 2023, NYC has spent $1.45 billion to help migrants
Much of the cost has gone toward providing shelter, food and services
Nearly 200 emergency shelters have opened in NYC since last year
Despite financial impacts, NYC has continued to step up to help migrants
Without policy changes, NYC could potentially spend $12 billion on asylum seekers over next three fiscal years
So Hungary is actually probably saving money. NYC would probably gladly pay only 200 million over the course of four years, or even 365 million Euros a year if they could get rid of all their migrants. (391 million dollars)
Anonymous
06/13/2024 15:42
Subject: European Parliament Elections Going Far Right
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Migrants are like water. No matter how hard countries try to seal their borders, the migrants will find ways to seep through the cracks. Expect global warming to accelerate this process.
When your foundation starts forming cracks, do you ignore it?
These leftists are like locusts. They will just move somewhere else to insulate themselves from the repercussions of their self destructive policies and destroy it.
Anonymous
06/13/2024 15:25
Subject: European Parliament Elections Going Far Right
Anonymous wrote:The move to the right in Europe is driven by the young, who are not as beholden to the absurd post-WW2 foundational myths. Things could get quite bumpy in the future when young people reject the blank slate ideology that has governed since 1965.
What is the blank slate ideology?
Anonymous
06/13/2024 13:16
Subject: European Parliament Elections Going Far Right
The move to the right in Europe is driven by the young, who are not as beholden to the absurd post-WW2 foundational myths. Things could get quite bumpy in the future when young people reject the blank slate ideology that has governed since 1965.
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Anonymous
06/13/2024 13:09
Subject: European Parliament Elections Going Far Right
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many posters make valid points but the level of ignorance is shocking. Clearly most can’t differentiate between countries accepting refugees where it is a deliberate decision which involves setting targets or quotas (eg Germany taking 1 million Syrians), planned migration which may not may not include people from particular countries (eg Canada, Australia), and illegal migration which is incredibly difficult to stop.
Where it is planned, there are levers that can control it and public pushback can alter government policy. For example, Canada’s admission of huge numbers including many from the Punjabi region. Australia is also cutting back on legal permanent migration and the housing crisis is causing pushback against the 800,000 international students admitted each year.
But illegal immigration is incredibly difficult to control. And it is much harder in the EU than here where there is largely just one land border with Mexico to worry about. The EU has to deal with the entire Mediterranean Sea and entry over land borders in the east. No wall could protect those. The US largely has some 600 million people in central and South America to worry about. Europe has 1.5 billion in Africa plus those in the Middle East and Asia. So any war or climate-related disaster can result in a huge movement of people.
This idea of Europe having open borders to the world is ridiculous. Why do you think the EU has given $1 billion in aid to Lebanon? To stop it becoming a new route. Why do you think the EU funds the Libyan coastguard? To try to stop boats. I’m sure they would love to hear your brilliant ideas.
To not remove a stable government in Libya would have been an obvious answer if time machines were available.
Well, unintended consequences and all that. Many things might have been done differently or not at all in the Middle East if people had realised how it would play out.
Anonymous
06/13/2024 13:04
Subject: Re:European Parliament Elections Going Far Right
Anonymous wrote:
They want it back from this:
“The Mayor of London is a Muslim. The mayor of Birmingham is a Muslim. The Mayor of Leeds is Muslim. Mayor of Blackburn – Muslim. The mayor of Sheffield is a Muslim. The mayor of Oxford is a Muslim. The mayor of Luton is a Muslim. The mayor of Oldham is Muslim. The mayor of Rochdale is Muslim. All this was achieved by only 4 million Muslims out of 66 million people in England.
“Today there are over 3,000 mosques in England. There are over 130 sharia courts. There are more than 50 Sharia Councils. 78 percent of Muslim women do not work, receive state support + free accommodation. 63 percent of Muslims do not work, receive state support + free housing. State-supported Muslim families with an average of 6 to 8 children receive free accommodation. Now every school in the UK is required to teach lessons about Islam.“
There are over 300 leaders of councils or local authorities in the UK. If there are 4 million Muslims, it’s hardly surprising some of those leaders are Muslim. Do you think there should be no representation at a local level?
2.4 million people voted in the London election a couple of months ago. Sadiq Khan won 48% of the vote. Only 15% of London’s population is Muslim. Do the maths.