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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if Stuy’s education model is effective. These are the best students selected merit based. In theory the majority of them should be ivy bound. But the results are far from that.

"in theory the majority of them should be ivy bound?"

in what theory?

stuy is a meritocracy. the ivies are not. the end.

Oh come on. Cornell is like our state flagship, you can’t say Cornell is not meritocracy to its residents—plus there are the contract colleges. In theory the majority of Stuy should at least be accepted by Cornell.

Cornell is 70k and that's if you are a NY resident and attend a contract college. Otherwise it's 90k. it's nobody's state flagship

NYC parent here with hs students. Cornell is well-represented in NYC high school college matriculation lists. It is as if it was flagship.

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The reason why we don’t have a state flagship it’s because we already have Cornell.

the numbers going to a SUNY and CUNY vs Cornell is enormous.

Flagship means it maintains certain selectivity. There is Cal, and there are other UCs and cal state system.

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Anonymous wrote:Typical Stuy kid is a poor Asian immigrant who spent two years non-stop studying for the SHSAT as it is their ticket out. Most of these kids have minimal mainstream American people skills - they have not assimilated. And some of them aren’t really that smart - just good at that one test.

Many end up at SUNY/CUNY. Many of these would be eligible for tons of aid at Ivies but for some reason don’t apply.

Bronx Science has more Nobel laureates and is a slightly more normal version of Stuy. Kids are more normal and slightly more relaxed. Though there is a contingent of the immigrant kids who are viewed as failures for not getting into Stuy.

What’s your evidence that Stuy kids lack social skills? I’ve met plenty who are terrific talented kids. I wouldn’t put much credence in the viewpoint from an Internet rando who traffics in Asian stereotypes.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on most of those students were Asian I doubt this is an official school instagram account. But when you look at city public high schools and especially exam schools a majority of top students are from families who are new to the US, not just Asian countries.

I just looked it up. Stuy is 71% Asian.

TJ used to also be like 70% Asian but after the admissions changes, the last class was like 50% Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if Stuy’s education model is effective. These are the best students selected merit based. In theory the majority of them should be ivy bound. But the results are far from that.

"in theory the majority of them should be ivy bound?"

in what theory?

stuy is a meritocracy. the ivies are not. the end.

Oh come on. Cornell is like our state flagship, you can’t say Cornell is not meritocracy to its residents—plus there are the contract colleges. In theory the majority of Stuy should at least be accepted by Cornell.

Cornell is 70k and that's if you are a NY resident and attend a contract college. Otherwise it's 90k. it's nobody's state flagship

NYC parent here with hs students. Cornell is well-represented in NYC high school college matriculation lists. It is as if it was flagship.

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The reason why we don’t have a state flagship it’s because we already have Cornell.

the numbers going to a SUNY and CUNY vs Cornell is enormous.

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Anonymous wrote:Typical Stuy kid is a poor Asian immigrant who spent two years non-stop studying for the SHSAT as it is their ticket out. Most of these kids have minimal mainstream American people skills - they have not assimilated. And some of them aren’t really that smart - just good at that one test.

Many end up at SUNY/CUNY. Many of these would be eligible for tons of aid at Ivies but for some reason don’t apply.

Bronx Science has more Nobel laureates and is a slightly more normal version of Stuy. Kids are more normal and slightly more relaxed. Though there is a contingent of the immigrant kids who are viewed as failures for not getting into Stuy.

What’s your evidence that Stuy kids lack social skills? I’ve met plenty who are terrific talented kids. I wouldn’t put much credence in the viewpoint from an Internet rando who traffics in Asian stereotypes.

No different than the Asian exceptionalist poster who thinks every Asian applicant is a multi-talented academic superstar destined for the T10 - but slips to state flagship - thereby raising the school's profile instantaneously.

Stereotype extremes, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if Stuy’s education model is effective. These are the best students selected merit based. In theory the majority of them should be ivy bound. But the results are far from that.

"in theory the majority of them should be ivy bound?"

in what theory?

stuy is a meritocracy. the ivies are not. the end.

Oh come on. Cornell is like our state flagship, you can’t say Cornell is not meritocracy to its residents—plus there are the contract colleges. In theory the majority of Stuy should at least be accepted by Cornell.

Cornell is 70k and that's if you are a NY resident and attend a contract college. Otherwise it's 90k. it's nobody's state flagship

NYC parent here with hs students. Cornell is well-represented in NYC high school college matriculation lists. It is as if it was flagship.

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The reason why we don’t have a state flagship it’s because we already have Cornell.

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Anonymous wrote:Wikipedia: Stuyvesant has educated four Nobel laureates.[7] Notable alumni include former United States attorney general Eric Holder, physicists Brian Greene and Lisa Randall, economist Thomas Sowell, mathematician Paul Cohen, chemist Roald Hoffmann, biologist Eric Lander, Oscar-winning actor James Cagney, comedian Billy Eichner, and chess grandmaster Robert Hess.

Not a single Asian from a school 72% Asian. Interesting.

Um, maybe take a look at the school demographics during the time period ps when those people that you’ve named actually attended the school. Things do change over the decades. Check back in a few years if you want a better sense of the accomplishments of more recent Stuyvesant graduates.

Point taken. But the fact of the matter remains true. Asian kids shine in elementary through high school thanks to extreme Tiger parenting. Beyond that, Tiger parenting does not and cannot work any longer. In fact, from college years and beyond, the detrimental effects of Tiger parenting become surfaced.

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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if Stuy’s education model is effective. These are the best students selected merit based. In theory the majority of them should be ivy bound. But the results are far from that.

"in theory the majority of them should be ivy bound?"

in what theory?

stuy is a meritocracy. the ivies are not. the end.

Oh come on. Cornell is like our state flagship, you can’t say Cornell is not meritocracy to its residents—plus there are the contract colleges. In theory the majority of Stuy should at least be accepted by Cornell.

Cornell is 70k and that's if you are a NY resident and attend a contract college. Otherwise it's 90k. it's nobody's state flagship

NYC parent here with hs students. Cornell is well-represented in NYC high school college matriculation lists. It is as if it was flagship.

Anonymous wrote:Wikipedia: Stuyvesant has educated four Nobel laureates.[7] Notable alumni include former United States attorney general Eric Holder, physicists Brian Greene and Lisa Randall, economist Thomas Sowell, mathematician Paul Cohen, chemist Roald Hoffmann, biologist Eric Lander, Oscar-winning actor James Cagney, comedian Billy Eichner, and chess grandmaster Robert Hess.

Not a single Asian from a school 72% Asian. Interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:stuy parent here.

https://stuy-talos-bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/media/documents/Matriculation_List__1.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAQXHMI6URNQ5MHS44&Signature=T6jAXVDhyY9v99mKzAO6dXt0AZc%3D&Expires=1719347269

this is from the portal. I'm not sure if you need to sign in (which you couldn't) ,but hopefully you can see it.

two things: racism in admissions is super real. "just another stuy robot" etc etc. it's bullshit. white kids like mine have an easier time.

and: I think it may be hard for DCUM to understand the poverty. many of these kids and their families really struggle. sending a kid far away is not everyone's first choice, esp when the kid is a cultural support.


for example, I dont know that I've ever seen the words "Sophie Davis" here on DCUM, but admissions into Sophie Davis garners far more oohs and ahhs than Harvard. Ditto Macaulay Honors.

also, it's a big class and a big world and stuy reflects it all .. which is awesome. I really love Stuy (and Tech and Bronx Sci etc) and think there are few institutions that catapult kids from poverty to professional class like these schools. my accountant is a stuy grad. my OB is one. the woman who did my will is one. etc etc. All of them landed in the public school system as new arrivals like so many kids are right now. The system isn't perfect, but these schools are jewels.

Most state's magnet schools are the same. It's just VA and SF with these massive magnet schools that aren't filled with poor people.

NP well most people dont know about a similar school in LA or Dallas or Miami. Not w a national name like Stuy.

Stuy boosters are now on DCUM. Sounds like another HS in a crappy neighborhood in Brooklyn.

Stuy is located in the Battery Park City, just below Tribeca and above the Financial District.

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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if Stuy’s education model is effective. These are the best students selected merit based. In theory the majority of them should be ivy bound. But the results are far from that.

"in theory the majority of them should be ivy bound?"

in what theory?

stuy is a meritocracy. the ivies are not. the end.

Oh come on. Cornell is like our state flagship, you can’t say Cornell is not meritocracy to its residents—plus there are the contract colleges. In theory the majority of Stuy should at least be accepted by Cornell.

Cornell is 70k and that's if you are a NY resident and attend a contract college. Otherwise it's 90k. it's nobody's state flagship