The rabid defense of this wacko and condemnation of Angie Harmon throughout this thread is very weird. We have a guy who is 100% certain to have done two very shady things — using a false identity to deliver and carrying a weapon while doing so (both in violation of Instacart's rules) — and no evidence of wrongdoing by anyone else. He's very clearly the least credible person involved, and I can understand why the police might have to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't understand why anyone else would. I am sad that Ms. Harmon wasn't out there, or that she didn't bring the dog in — and I am certain she regrets it too — but it's something I could see many people doing, never expecting something like this to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole incident reminds me of when my idiot condo neighbors tried to insist that it was fine for them to let their dog off leash in the building's common areas, and would sometimes even leave their dog unleashed and unattended in the yard "so he can run around a bit." They were pretty quickly shut down by the condo board but threw a massive fit about how everyone was overreacting and how their dog was so friendly and would never hurt anyone and how all the people who wanted them to restrain their dog (and not leave him unattended in shared spaces!) hated dogs and was being unreasonable. It was really crazy watching them melt down over something that the vast majority of people, both dog owners and not, could see was just irresponsible, obnoxious behavior on their part.

Some people are very dumb about their dogs. I don't know why.

I think it’s cruel to have a large dog in a condo with no lawn or backyard. Dogs need the freedom to run around but conscientious owners make sure to accommodate appropriately with their mail carrier. Many mail carriers have PTSD from dogs or dog stories they’ve heard

PP here and I totally agree. When that conflict was going on it was funny to me because these people kept portraying the residents who wanted them to leash/contain the dog as being "anti dog" because many of us were not dog owners (though some were). They couldn't seem to grasp that many of us really like dogs but didn't have dogs in that building because it just wasn't well suited for one and we didn't want to keep a dog in a place where they couldn't run around and the nearest dog park was like a half mile away. Even the people who did have dogs had small dogs who, even if energetic, could be satisfied with a smaller area to run around and I think were happier on leashes and in the apartment. These were the only people with a big, young, energetic dog and it was obvious to the rest of us that they probably should not have had that dog in that particular apartment, and this was the source of the problem. It had zero to do with people liking dogs or not.

Same with delivery people or mail carriers. They might like dogs generally, they might even have a dog, but do that job for any length of time and you will develop a healthy fear of unknown dogs because you just never know what you're getting into. Heck, it might even be worse if you do have a dog at home because you might worry about dogs smelling your own pet on you and it inciting them to view you as hostile. You just don't know. The idea that a dog lover will trust or be comfortable around EVERY strange dog they meet is hopelessly naive. Dogs are animals, they have instinctual desires to hunt and kill. Read Into the Wild. Dogs are domesticated but it can be to varying degrees and sometimes you just don't know what is going to bring it out in a dog. There are also many, many rescue dogs who were abused as puppies and while they can be trained and become loving pets, I think that abuse at a young age can result in an animal who likely stores up a violent reflex that might be triggered at any time. I'd never take an abused rescue into a home with young children or other animals, for instance. I know of animals like this who went years as great pets and then were set off by something random and inexplicable and killed a cat, another dog, or attacked a human. It's really scary.

Anonymous wrote:All of you in this thread ranting on and on, just because an unknown man, working illegally, and in the country illegally while coming to people's homes, are just paranoid MAGAs.

Do you know how many pizza delivery guys since your childhood were illegal? This isn’t a new phenomena of migrant delivery workers

Most delivery drivers are actually the ones getting robbed . They aren’t doing any robbing . They get paid poorly and have to deal with lots of BS like finding homes/reading street numbers at pitch black nighttime while driving , prank orders/callers, no shows, carjackings, robberies, inclement weather, stray dogs,no tips. It’s so much turnover because it’s a stressful job

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. I guess posters here are OK with armed Instacart shoppers visiting their homes.

Its North Carolina. People go to the grocery store armed. It’s not DC or Maryland.

Anonymous wrote:This whole incident reminds me of when my idiot condo neighbors tried to insist that it was fine for them to let their dog off leash in the building's common areas, and would sometimes even leave their dog unleashed and unattended in the yard "so he can run around a bit." They were pretty quickly shut down by the condo board but threw a massive fit about how everyone was overreacting and how their dog was so friendly and would never hurt anyone and how all the people who wanted them to restrain their dog (and not leave him unattended in shared spaces!) hated dogs and was being unreasonable. It was really crazy watching them melt down over something that the vast majority of people, both dog owners and not, could see was just irresponsible, obnoxious behavior on their part.

Some people are very dumb about their dogs. I don't know why.

I think it’s cruel to have a large dog in a condo with no lawn or backyard. Dogs need the freedom to run around but conscientious owners make sure to accommodate appropriately with their mail carrier. Many mail carriers have PTSD from dogs or dog stories they’ve heard

Anonymous wrote:This is Harmon's fault. Should the guy have had a gun on him? I don't think so, but I also don't live in North Carolina or anywhere that permits concealed carry and wear gun ownership is incredibly common. If I DID live in such a place, I would train myself to assume that anyone I meet, or invite into my home, might have a gun on them, and also comfort with using one. It is simply how it is in much of the South and the West, even if it's not how I choose to live.

Knowing that, she scheduled a delivery and then failed to restrain or isolate her dog when the delivery driver arrived. Stupid. We'll probably never know if the dog did anything to provoke being shot. But even if we knew, it will always be subjective. I've been attacked by a dog before, and escaped only because I was able to put a door between me and the dog before he could reach me. It is terrifying. The owner in that case laughed it off and didn't even apologize, just said "oh, he can be protective around strangers." Uh, okay, then don't leave him off leash when you know a stranger will be in your house, you absolute $hitbag of a dog owner.

So the dog might have just barked in a friendly way at this guy, but as a total stranger, he has no idea what that means. Maybe the dog bounded up. Could have seemed totally non-threatening to one person but be terrifying to another. If you live in a place where people often carry guns and where the concept of shooting to protect yourself is sort of built into the culture, WHY would you allow your dog to approach a total stranger this way? Stupid stupid stupid.

I'm not defending the delivery driver, but this is 100% Harmon's fault. And it's typical behavior of many dog owners who for some reason have no sense of perspective about their dogs and give no though to how their dog or dog's behavior might be perceived or experienced by others.

Her dog is dead because she's a bad dog owner.

In the South, it’s best to expect everyone has a gun on them. It’s so different culturally from up North. Southerners like to shoot/handle threats themselves and don’t even like to call 911 and have “the law” up in their house so neighbors or church folk don’t see or gossip . It’s a very different mindset over there

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Anonymous wrote:I am guessing the delivery person didn't see the dogs when he entered the yard and that once he was already inside the yard the dogs suddenly appeared. My dog can be sneaky like this; he somehow hears something we don't and runs out the kitchen door into the yard because of something he had heard (a dog walking by, a squirrel, the wind, etc).

I don't believe the guy initially knew the dogs were there and that he came into the yard with the gun blazing and drawn. But it wouldn't surprise me if the driver had some negative and dangerous interactions in the past which is why he had the gun in the first place.l My brother is a grub hub/uber eats delivery driver and he has been robbed and assaulted before (I really wish he would get another job). You read in the news about many of these kind of gig workers getting car jacked. Charlotte does have some serious crime, who knows.

Is your brother also in the USA illegally?

No. What does that have to do with anything?

You failed to read Jeff’s analysis of this thread? It is apparent from your response.

Here, I’ll quote Jeff from his own blog post from yesterday on DCUMAD (NOTE: full attribution and only partial re-post so definitely NOT a copyright infringement):

“Other posters are more fixated on the fact that the man was using someone else's identity. Apparently it is not uncommon for individuals to purchase delivery accounts from others. This allows them to avoid background checks and utilize an account that has good feedback. For many participants in the thread, this was the most eye-opening part of the story. One poster claimed, "Lyft, Uber, Doordash, and Instacart would likely collapse if they were forced to strictly police the accounts being used by undocumented workers or those who could not pass a background check." For many, the thought of an unknown man, working illegally, and carrying a loaded weapon while coming to people's homes was extremely troubling and is probably causing some reconsideration of using delivery apps.”

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Anonymous wrote:I am guessing the delivery person didn't see the dogs when he entered the yard and that once he was already inside the yard the dogs suddenly appeared. My dog can be sneaky like this; he somehow hears something we don't and runs out the kitchen door into the yard because of something he had heard (a dog walking by, a squirrel, the wind, etc).

I don't believe the guy initially knew the dogs were there and that he came into the yard with the gun blazing and drawn. But it wouldn't surprise me if the driver had some negative and dangerous interactions in the past which is why he had the gun in the first place.l My brother is a grub hub/uber eats delivery driver and he has been robbed and assaulted before (I really wish he would get another job). You read in the news about many of these kind of gig workers getting car jacked. Charlotte does have some serious crime, who knows.

Is your brother also in the USA illegally?

No. What does that have to do with anything?

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. I guess posters here are OK with armed Instacart shoppers visiting their homes.

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