Anonymous
03/15/2024 20:02
Subject: Fraternity Danger at UMD
Anonymous wrote:Dr. Pines really needs to go
NO, he's the best thing about UMD.
Anonymous
03/15/2024 19:26
Subject: Fraternity Danger at UMD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I told you stories about my time on Rugby Road in the early 90s, I can absolutely promise you would never send your kid to UVA.
You do know that your experience is not everyone's? My DD lives on Rugby Rd and is greek. Yes there are things she doesn't love about the greek system, but she has been 100% safe and has friends in every fraternity and sorority. I'm sure people can tell stories about every school.
She doesn’t tell you about the blackout drunk nights where she wakes up in a frat house with no pants on and her underwear draped on the TV. Don’t be naive. No one tells their parents those stories.
Anonymous
03/15/2024 19:17
Subject: Fraternity Danger at UMD
Anonymous wrote:If I told you stories about my time on Rugby Road in the early 90s, I can absolutely promise you would never send your kid to UVA.
Trust me, there are still be parents who are convinced that their child isn’t like that. No worries for them.
I’m glad there weren’t cell phones in the late 80s.
Anonymous
03/15/2024 19:06
Subject: Fraternity Danger at UMD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Something dramatic going on at UMD. I hope resolved soon. My DS doesn't want to go there, but I would be stressed if he was. UVA also had an issue
I watched a documentary about a student who was drugged and gang raped by fraternity members as a freshman in the 80s. UVA did everything in their power to not have the case end up investigated by the police.
They told her that the police did not have jurisdiction over the fraternity house, only the UVA security could investigate. It’s too bad she believed that. She went to UVA medical center and they didn’t have rape kits. Just a lot of bad behavior on the colleges part.
It was a long time ago but it was happening before her and after her. This is one of many reasons why I wouldn’t want my child to go there.
You do know that every single college campus has probably had this happen, whether they are UVA or even have Greek houses or not. Athletic teams are famous for it.
Anonymous
03/15/2024 18:55
Subject: Fraternity Danger at UMD
Anonymous wrote:Something dramatic going on at UMD. I hope resolved soon. My DS doesn't want to go there, but I would be stressed if he was. UVA also had an issue
I watched a documentary about a student who was drugged and gang raped by fraternity members as a freshman in the 80s. UVA did everything in their power to not have the case end up investigated by the police.
They told her that the police did not have jurisdiction over the fraternity house, only the UVA security could investigate. It’s too bad she believed that. She went to UVA medical center and they didn’t have rape kits. Just a lot of bad behavior on the colleges part.
It was a long time ago but it was happening before her and after her. This is one of many reasons why I wouldn’t want my child to go there.
Anonymous
03/15/2024 18:54
Subject: Fraternity Danger at UMD
Dr. Pines really needs to go
Anonymous
03/15/2024 18:52
Subject: Fraternity Danger at UMD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Four fraternities filed back. Now UMD has backed off
What does it mean they filed back?
A few frats filed a lawsuit against UMD.
Anonymous
03/15/2024 18:39
Subject: Fraternity Danger at UMD
Anonymous wrote:Four fraternities filed back. Now UMD has backed off
What does it mean they filed back?
Anonymous
03/15/2024 18:08
Subject: Fraternity Danger at UMD
Four fraternities filed back. Now UMD has backed off
Anonymous
03/09/2024 12:10
Subject: Fraternity Danger at UMD
This whole thing is unavoidable and colleges have to act like this but removing any and all risk makes it like kids should just stay home on line or commute. Just like vaccinations risky situations can happen but for the overall good of growing up with your peers and it’s inherent issues out way the risks
Anonymous
03/09/2024 11:28
Subject: Fraternity Danger at UMD
Anonymous wrote:People are really overreacting to the pause in activities. The university did not suspend any fraternities or sororities. Let them do their investigation. I was Greek at UMD and have 2 terps. I agree with UMDs decision. I think the reason for separating new from existing members is so that new members aren’t pressured to cover anything up and lie. I would not be afraid for my child to be interviewed if they witnessed hazing. The person hazing will be removed, not the one reporting, and it will make it a safer and stronger Greek experience going forward.
Are you sure about the one reporting won’t be removed if they were a full member? They need to make this clear before the interviews. The only ones that are probably “safe” are the pledges.
Anonymous
03/09/2024 10:40
Subject: Fraternity Danger at UMD
Anonymous wrote:I agree this was an over reaction. What is really going in? I heard they want to get rid of frats and sororities so they can take the land. True?
There is zero indication they want to get rid of the Greek system. It’s a very established presence at UMD and the university gets income from the houses on the row.
Anonymous
03/09/2024 10:38
Subject: Fraternity Danger at UMD
People are really overreacting to the pause in activities. The university did not suspend any fraternities or sororities. Let them do their investigation. I was Greek at UMD and have 2 terps. I agree with UMDs decision. I think the reason for separating new from existing members is so that new members aren’t pressured to cover anything up and lie. I would not be afraid for my child to be interviewed if they witnessed hazing. The person hazing will be removed, not the one reporting, and it will make it a safer and stronger Greek experience going forward.
Anonymous
03/09/2024 09:15
Subject: Fraternity Danger at UMD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Now UMD is saying they will choose to interview members and that you will receive a notice if you were selected.
If hazing is as rampant at UMD as people make it out to be, this should be very scary for everyone in the system.
Why? Because they are finally trying to change something awful? Or because now people are going to be held accountable for hazing and you don't think they should be? To me, if this is true, this signals a very measured approach of trying to understand what is going on so they don't jump to any conclusions or unnecessarily suspend fraternities if no wrongdoing can be documented. Honestly, I don't see why so many supporters of Fraternities aren't applauding this level of attention to something harmful and dangerous.
The problem is what protections will the people who speak out get? Let’s say you are a full member and you witnessed hazing and came forward. Will you be kicked out of your frat? Will you fail all your classes due to UMD’s code of conduct? Will your frat members find out that you said something and will you be threatened ? Or do you lie and follow the code of silence? What happens if someone else speaks out and you don’t?
All frats engage in illegal activity. At a minimum they provide alcohol to underage students, which is a crime.
While I believe there needs to be Greek reform, these issues extend well past extreme hazing.
Anonymous
03/09/2024 08:18
Subject: Fraternity Danger at UMD
Anonymous wrote:Now UMD is saying they will choose to interview members and that you will receive a notice if you were selected.
If hazing is as rampant at UMD as people make it out to be, this should be very scary for everyone in the system.
Why? Because they are finally trying to change something awful? Or because now people are going to be held accountable for hazing and you don't think they should be? To me, if this is true, this signals a very measured approach of trying to understand what is going on so they don't jump to any conclusions or unnecessarily suspend fraternities if no wrongdoing can be documented. Honestly, I don't see why so many supporters of Fraternities aren't applauding this level of attention to something harmful and dangerous.