Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For many students (especially wealthy ones) school is one of the only chances they get to be with a diverse group of people and to learn about the humanity of people that aren’t usually part of their social sphere. They do that in real time through personal interactions and in lessons while they are learning to write, to do math, and about ancient civilizations. These are essential experiences that will contribute to their success.

The world is not as small as it used to be and being able to communicate and relate to people from various cultures and countries is a leg up. Knowing the foreign CEO’s country’s history is a leg up.

Teachers need help curating these experiences, as they weren’t educated like this themselves. DEI professionals support these efforts.

The DEI criticisms I’ve seen here are very valid, but they also sound like bad DEI. When DEI is done right it benefits and enriches kids and society.

BS. And if true DEI is a piss poor substitute for having hobbies, a faith community, sports, a neighborhood, etc. including someone outside your own race.

In fact, PP’s comment is very illuminating. Because it tends to be weird rich super liberal white people (and their associated private schools) who are the most defensive about DEI, as if they think by clinging to this stupid nonsense, they are absolved from being typical out-of-touch rich people in every meaningful dimension of their lives.

Not BS at all. Faith communities? People go to church less than they ever did before. Sports? Hobbies? Depends on the sport and hobby. Fencing, sailing. Yea, you aren’t really making your kid leave their bubble. Neighborhood? If you live in a neighborhood where the houses are all 1-2 million+ when exactly are you encountering the regular people biking around the neighborhood.

I haven’t seen anyone say DEI is the answer to all of societies problems, but at least it’s an attempt to work on some of them.

Anti-DEI people don’t ever explain how removing DEI completely helps fix any of the issues DEI supports and makes better.

Don’t try to get rid of something if you cannot propose something better.

We send kids to school to learn core subjects. Keep DEI (racism) out of the classroom.

Well, at our school I just sat through yet another staff meeting where we learned how we need to relate to our students in a way that doesn’t prioritize white supremacy. Two actual examples of white supremacy were “worship of the written word” and “objectivity.”

I am a school librarian and my job is to promote literacy and teach students how to find reliable sources. So yes, I am going to continue to promote the written word and the concept of objectivity.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Admittedly, I don’t think social justice needs to be incorporated into every single physics lab (that sounds silly), but occasionally why not?

Why not highlight more female scientists or mathematicians (or black or brown or Asian ones) in class given that science texts tend to ignore their contributions?

White men used to run this country and they took 100% of the credit for everything great that happened when they were not 100% responsible for everything great that happened.

That lie still exists in print and responsible educators SHOULD be integrating the untold stories of Americans into coursework.
DEI helps to facilitate and bring attention to this aspect of education.

OMG. Where have you been? At all schools these days, the only novels studied in English classes have non-white protagonists, 80% of them Black.

The imbalance of the past is being 'corrected' by expunging white males from the curriculum.

White men are not being expunged from the curriculum because the English department selects a couple books to read with non-white protagonists. I promise the sky is not falling, but also understand that change is scary.

DP. No one is “scared” of you or your ideology. We’re critical of it because it sucks.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Admittedly, I don’t think social justice needs to be incorporated into every single physics lab (that sounds silly), but occasionally why not?

Why not highlight more female scientists or mathematicians (or black or brown or Asian ones) in class given that science texts tend to ignore their contributions?

White men used to run this country and they took 100% of the credit for everything great that happened when they were not 100% responsible for everything great that happened.

That lie still exists in print and responsible educators SHOULD be integrating the untold stories of Americans into coursework.
DEI helps to facilitate and bring attention to this aspect of education.

OMG. Where have you been? At all schools these days, the only novels studied in English classes have non-white protagonists, 80% of them Black.

The imbalance of the past is being 'corrected' by expunging white males from the curriculum.

White men are not being expunged from the curriculum because the English department selects a couple books to read with non-white protagonists. I promise the sky is not falling, but also understand that change is scary.

Anonymous wrote:For many students (especially wealthy ones) school is one of the only chances they get to be with a diverse group of people and to learn about the humanity of people that aren’t usually part of their social sphere. They do that in real time through personal interactions and in lessons while they are learning to write, to do math, and about ancient civilizations. These are essential experiences that will contribute to their success.

The world is not as small as it used to be and being able to communicate and relate to people from various cultures and countries is a leg up. Knowing the foreign CEO’s country’s history is a leg up.

Teachers need help curating these experiences, as they weren’t educated like this themselves. DEI professionals support these efforts.

The DEI criticisms I’ve seen here are very valid, but they also sound like bad DEI. When DEI is done right it benefits and enriches kids and society.

BS. And if true DEI is a piss poor substitute for having hobbies, a faith community, sports, a neighborhood, etc. including someone outside your own race.

In fact, PP’s comment is very illuminating. Because it tends to be weird rich super liberal white people (and their associated private schools) who are the most defensive about DEI, as if they think by clinging to this stupid nonsense, they are absolved from being typical out-of-touch rich people in every meaningful dimension of their lives.

Anonymous wrote:If you want to get rid of the name DEI, fine, but the numerous legitimate and incredible purposes of DEI then need to be incorporated into some other office (perhaps, curriculum and instruction).

DEI got out of control because of white guilt. People couldn’t handle the sight of numerous innocent lifeless black bodies murdered by white hands. Now that some time has passed, the guilt has dissipated and you want to “fix” things back to how they were before because you are uncomfortable. But black and brown bodies are still dying due to prejudice and yes, racism, that still exists.

Frankly I want to get rid of hell of a lot more than the name DEI.

Anonymous wrote:PP. Agreed about the ‘black body’ term. But this is all some people see when they encounter people with darker skin tones.

Wut? And also, who cares? That doesn’t mean it makes sense to encourage that weird view.

For many students (especially wealthy ones) school is one of the only chances they get to be with a diverse group of people and to learn about the humanity of people that aren’t usually part of their social sphere. They do that in real time through personal interactions and in lessons while they are learning to write, to do math, and about ancient civilizations. These are essential experiences that will contribute to their success.

The world is not as small as it used to be and being able to communicate and relate to people from various cultures and countries is a leg up. Knowing the foreign CEO’s country’s history is a leg up.

Teachers need help curating these experiences, as they weren’t educated like this themselves. DEI professionals support these efforts.

The DEI criticisms I’ve seen here are very valid, but they also sound like bad DEI. When DEI is done right it benefits and enriches kids and society.

Anonymous wrote:Admittedly, I don’t think social justice needs to be incorporated into every single physics lab (that sounds silly), but occasionally why not?

Why not highlight more female scientists or mathematicians (or black or brown or Asian ones) in class given that science texts tend to ignore their contributions?

White men used to run this country and they took 100% of the credit for everything great that happened when they were not 100% responsible for everything great that happened.

That lie still exists in print and responsible educators SHOULD be integrating the untold stories of Americans into coursework.
DEI helps to facilitate and bring attention to this aspect of education.

OMG. Where have you been? At all schools these days, the only novels studied in English classes have non-white protagonists, 80% of them Black.

The imbalance of the past is being 'corrected' by expunging white males from the curriculum.

Why isn't it ever "white bodies?"

I think people, ( even radical feminist liberals like me) , are tired of being told they are racists and are tired of being forced fed pronouncements about diversity.

PP. Agreed about the ‘black body’ term. But this is all some people see when they encounter people with darker skin tones.

Anonymous wrote:If you want to get rid of the name DEI, fine, but the numerous legitimate and incredible purposes of DEI then need to be incorporated into some other office (perhaps, curriculum and instruction).

DEI got out of control because of white guilt. People couldn’t handle the sight of numerous innocent lifeless black bodies murdered by white hands. Now that some time has passed, the guilt has dissipated and you want to “fix” things back to how they were before because you are uncomfortable. But black and brown bodies are still dying due to prejudice and yes, racism, that still exists.

My Black “body” wishes people would stop using this cringy “black/brown body” term to refer to people.

Anonymous wrote:Admittedly, I don’t think social justice needs to be incorporated into every single physics lab (that sounds silly), but occasionally why not?

Why not highlight more female scientists or mathematicians (or black or brown or Asian ones) in class given that science texts tend to ignore their contributions?

White men used to run this country and they took 100% of the credit for everything great that happened when they were not 100% responsible for everything great that happened.

That lie still exists in print and responsible educators SHOULD be integrating the untold stories of Americans into coursework.
DEI helps to facilitate and bring attention to this aspect of education.

And the stories of non-Americans too. America-centrist education isn’t good for our kids anymore either.