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Anonymous wrote:This will be a sad day. Counselor had already told us with wgpa 4.32, DD will not be accepted. But she still submitted the application hoping that the other aspect of her file may win over under the "holistic" review ...

DD is indeed rejected at UVA. But the letter she received was very long and strange, talking about the door to UVA remains open for her if after one year or two she is still interested. Even for graduate school?! Did anyone receive this kind of long rejection letter?! Glad she is in at VT. Not all sad at least.

I’m sorry. My DC got that letter a couple years ago and took is as just soft delivery of unwanted news. Congrats on VT!

I don't think it's strange at all. UVA is just saying reapply as a transfer. You can after first or second year. If they said nothing, you would complain about that too! https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/170424/is-it-a-bad-sign-that-a-rejection-email-does-not-include-an-invitation-to-apply

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Anonymous wrote:When people are listing GPA's, is that only the GPA through 11th grade, or is it the projected GPA accounting for senior year?

Probably through 11th since that’s what you use for the application.

Only the GPA after junior year matters. But UVA requests an official transcript before the "official" commitment. They will not rescind your offer unless you get all Fs in your senior year.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s too bad that the flagship of a state with 8.75 million people in it only educates 17.6 thousand undergraduates. Only 2/3 of them are Virginians. Citizens should demand that UVA have 82% from instate, like UNC, since the cannot or won’t increase its overall size.

UVA was built in 1819. It is completely landlocked by the town that grew up around it. So it cannot expand further unlike the huge California publics. Nevertheless, there is an entity called the UVA Foundation whose mission it is to buy up real estate when available.

It’s too bad that UVA never developed an additional campus in Charlottesville. Michigan did that many years ago when they realized they needed more land to grow the school since there was a need.

But they did. They have the North Grounds, where Law and Graduate Business relocated and are based. They situated research in new developments. They have acquired a lot of land over time.

As an example, UVa bought the former Cavalier Inn, bulldozed it, and now is building a School of Data Science on that land.

UVA's campus (grounds) is larger than that of UT Austin, which has 2X as many students. UVA has land. That isn't it. However, if UVA was the size of UT Austin, it would 1) have a major detrimental impact on Charlottesville and town/gown relations 2) force UVA to essentially reengineer the campus to add density and 3) lower selectivity and ultimately the reputation.

I heard UVA tends to admit fewer students to keep its selectivity. Well, they need something to justify their $92000 OOS cost of attendance.

False. You are thinking of USC, a private in So California

What are you talking about?

Go to https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0, click on School of Commerce (McIntire),

Non-Virginian: 91662 to 93022

Cute. No link found to what you quote. Right here for this year: $81-83K for OOS College of Arts and Sciences. https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0

Same page as you quoted:

School of Commerce, Third- and Fourth-Year

Virginian Non-Virginian
Tuition 27,570 66,130
Fees 3,716 4,398
Subtotal 31,286 70,528

Additional Categories 21,134 21,134 to 22,494
Total 52,420 91,662 to 93,022

Right. and you just want to bash. That's the ONLY school at UVA that is that expensive at UVA. So you cherry-picked. We were thrilled that our DD went to UVA instate for then only $12,000 a year in-state. And DS went to GMU, also in-state. I thank the Lord every day for Virginia in=state schools. I am grateful for the options we have in Virginia. Yes, OOS is higher, but usually $83K. You didn't disclose that in your post. You went for the most expensive small OOS program. That is an unfair post.

NP. PP wasn't cherry picking. Look at engineering. public policy, and others at $90K and above. But whether it is $80K or 90K, it is very expensive for a public school. Close to $50K for some of those colleges in state is crazy.

Frankly I was surprised at the engineering school OOS cost. We make good money but $90k/year is absurd.

It's 89,908 for engineering OOS. If you don't like that try UCLA OR Berkeley but they are more and at a 10% cap for OOS and internationals, very few get in. It is what it is. That is how UVA keeps itself afloat (it receives less than 6% of its budget from the state - and most professional schools operate independent of the state).

Also, keep in mind that UVA takes over 30% OOS, which I think is to its credit. UCLA and Berkeley are at 10%. UNC is even lower. So getting into the top publics is just now getting very very tough.

I understand, but for STEM i'm not so sure UVA is worth it. UMD CS is a better program and is probably $15k/year cheaper.

I'm just complaining. I'll probably end up paying anyway.

FWIW I think UVa is terrific at engineering . There is someone on this site whose kid didn't get in so they keep saying it is not good for stem but if you have kept up with the changes James Ryan has implemented and the new schools and programs offered I think that is simply not true. Also look at the placement records. FWIW my kid went in as an aerospace engineer and was in the program for 1 1/2 years. He was taught by a woman astronaut. He thought it was excellent. But found his calling in the politics and econ department (via general coursework) and, like 60% of students (depending upon study, it is 60 to 80 percent switch at least once) switched majors during his second year. Now in law school. I'm so glad he didn't enter aerospace engineering at the other more specialized aerospace eng programs he was accepted to like Ga Tech and Purdue. Go and visit if your kid gets in.

Anonymous wrote:When people are listing GPA's, is that only the GPA through 11th grade, or is it the projected GPA accounting for senior year?

Probably through 11th since that’s what you use for the application.

Anonymous wrote:PSA for new posters - seven pages of complaining before people actually posted results.

My niece was accepted. 4.3W and 1500 SAT. NOVA public.

Nova. Public. The two words that matter. Congrats to your niece!

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Anonymous wrote:This will be a sad day. Counselor had already told us with wgpa 4.32, DD will not be accepted. But she still submitted the application hoping that the other aspect of her file may win over under the "holistic" review ...

DD is indeed rejected at UVA. But the letter she received was very long and strange, talking about the door to UVA remains open for her if after one year or two she is still interested. Even for graduate school?! Did anyone receive this kind of long rejection letter?! Glad she is in at VT. Not all sad at least.

Welcome, new Hokie!!

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Anonymous wrote:This will be a sad day. Counselor had already told us with wgpa 4.32, DD will not be accepted. But she still submitted the application hoping that the other aspect of her file may win over under the "holistic" review ...

DD is indeed rejected at UVA. But the letter she received was very long and strange, talking about the door to UVA remains open for her if after one year or two she is still interested. Even for graduate school?! Did anyone receive this kind of long rejection letter?! Glad she is in at VT. Not all sad at least.

I’m sorry. My DC got that letter a couple years ago and took is as just soft delivery of unwanted news. Congrats on VT!

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Anonymous wrote:It’s too bad that the flagship of a state with 8.75 million people in it only educates 17.6 thousand undergraduates. Only 2/3 of them are Virginians. Citizens should demand that UVA have 82% from instate, like UNC, since the cannot or won’t increase its overall size.

UVA was built in 1819. It is completely landlocked by the town that grew up around it. So it cannot expand further unlike the huge California publics. Nevertheless, there is an entity called the UVA Foundation whose mission it is to buy up real estate when available.

It’s too bad that UVA never developed an additional campus in Charlottesville. Michigan did that many years ago when they realized they needed more land to grow the school since there was a need.

But they did. They have the North Grounds, where Law and Graduate Business relocated and are based. They situated research in new developments. They have acquired a lot of land over time.

As an example, UVa bought the former Cavalier Inn, bulldozed it, and now is building a School of Data Science on that land.

UVA's campus (grounds) is larger than that of UT Austin, which has 2X as many students. UVA has land. That isn't it. However, if UVA was the size of UT Austin, it would 1) have a major detrimental impact on Charlottesville and town/gown relations 2) force UVA to essentially reengineer the campus to add density and 3) lower selectivity and ultimately the reputation.

I heard UVA tends to admit fewer students to keep its selectivity. Well, they need something to justify their $92000 OOS cost of attendance.

False. You are thinking of USC, a private in So California

What are you talking about?

Go to https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0, click on School of Commerce (McIntire),

Non-Virginian: 91662 to 93022

Cute. No link found to what you quote. Right here for this year: $81-83K for OOS College of Arts and Sciences. https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0

Same page as you quoted:

School of Commerce, Third- and Fourth-Year

Virginian Non-Virginian
Tuition 27,570 66,130
Fees 3,716 4,398
Subtotal 31,286 70,528

Additional Categories 21,134 21,134 to 22,494
Total 52,420 91,662 to 93,022

Right. and you just want to bash. That's the ONLY school at UVA that is that expensive at UVA. So you cherry-picked. We were thrilled that our DD went to UVA instate for then only $12,000 a year in-state. And DS went to GMU, also in-state. I thank the Lord every day for Virginia in=state schools. I am grateful for the options we have in Virginia. Yes, OOS is higher, but usually $83K. You didn't disclose that in your post. You went for the most expensive small OOS program. That is an unfair post.

NP. PP wasn't cherry picking. Look at engineering. public policy, and others at $90K and above. But whether it is $80K or 90K, it is very expensive for a public school. Close to $50K for some of those colleges in state is crazy.

Frankly I was surprised at the engineering school OOS cost. We make good money but $90k/year is absurd.

It's 89,908 for engineering OOS. If you don't like that try UCLA OR Berkeley but they are more and at a 10% cap for OOS and internationals, very few get in. It is what it is. That is how UVA keeps itself afloat (it receives less than 6% of its budget from the state - and most professional schools operate independent of the state).

My daughter attends UVA Engineering with a 20K in-state scholarship, bringing down our cost to ~25K/year. Shocked to learn this 90K/year OOS price tag. Do they offer any scholarships to OOS students?

I'll find out

Downside of DC. We get $10k per year toward OOS tuition but no in state preference (obviously) and $10k doesn't make up the difference in most cases.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s too bad that the flagship of a state with 8.75 million people in it only educates 17.6 thousand undergraduates. Only 2/3 of them are Virginians. Citizens should demand that UVA have 82% from instate, like UNC, since the cannot or won’t increase its overall size.

UVA was built in 1819. It is completely landlocked by the town that grew up around it. So it cannot expand further unlike the huge California publics. Nevertheless, there is an entity called the UVA Foundation whose mission it is to buy up real estate when available.

It’s too bad that UVA never developed an additional campus in Charlottesville. Michigan did that many years ago when they realized they needed more land to grow the school since there was a need.

But they did. They have the North Grounds, where Law and Graduate Business relocated and are based. They situated research in new developments. They have acquired a lot of land over time.

As an example, UVa bought the former Cavalier Inn, bulldozed it, and now is building a School of Data Science on that land.

UVA's campus (grounds) is larger than that of UT Austin, which has 2X as many students. UVA has land. That isn't it. However, if UVA was the size of UT Austin, it would 1) have a major detrimental impact on Charlottesville and town/gown relations 2) force UVA to essentially reengineer the campus to add density and 3) lower selectivity and ultimately the reputation.

I heard UVA tends to admit fewer students to keep its selectivity. Well, they need something to justify their $92000 OOS cost of attendance.

False. You are thinking of USC, a private in So California

What are you talking about?

Go to https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0, click on School of Commerce (McIntire),

Non-Virginian: 91662 to 93022

Cute. No link found to what you quote. Right here for this year: $81-83K for OOS College of Arts and Sciences. https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0

Same page as you quoted:

School of Commerce, Third- and Fourth-Year

Virginian Non-Virginian
Tuition 27,570 66,130
Fees 3,716 4,398
Subtotal 31,286 70,528

Additional Categories 21,134 21,134 to 22,494
Total 52,420 91,662 to 93,022

Right. and you just want to bash. That's the ONLY school at UVA that is that expensive at UVA. So you cherry-picked. We were thrilled that our DD went to UVA instate for then only $12,000 a year in-state. And DS went to GMU, also in-state. I thank the Lord every day for Virginia in=state schools. I am grateful for the options we have in Virginia. Yes, OOS is higher, but usually $83K. You didn't disclose that in your post. You went for the most expensive small OOS program. That is an unfair post.

NP. PP wasn't cherry picking. Look at engineering. public policy, and others at $90K and above. But whether it is $80K or 90K, it is very expensive for a public school. Close to $50K for some of those colleges in state is crazy.

Frankly I was surprised at the engineering school OOS cost. We make good money but $90k/year is absurd.

It's 89,908 for engineering OOS. If you don't like that try UCLA OR Berkeley but they are more and at a 10% cap for OOS and internationals, very few get in. It is what it is. That is how UVA keeps itself afloat (it receives less than 6% of its budget from the state - and most professional schools operate independent of the state).

My daughter attends UVA Engineering with a 20K in-state scholarship, bringing down our cost to ~25K/year. Shocked to learn this 90K/year OOS price tag. Do they offer any scholarships to OOS students?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s too bad that the flagship of a state with 8.75 million people in it only educates 17.6 thousand undergraduates. Only 2/3 of them are Virginians. Citizens should demand that UVA have 82% from instate, like UNC, since the cannot or won’t increase its overall size.

UVA was built in 1819. It is completely landlocked by the town that grew up around it. So it cannot expand further unlike the huge California publics. Nevertheless, there is an entity called the UVA Foundation whose mission it is to buy up real estate when available.

It’s too bad that UVA never developed an additional campus in Charlottesville. Michigan did that many years ago when they realized they needed more land to grow the school since there was a need.

But they did. They have the North Grounds, where Law and Graduate Business relocated and are based. They situated research in new developments. They have acquired a lot of land over time.

As an example, UVa bought the former Cavalier Inn, bulldozed it, and now is building a School of Data Science on that land.

UVA's campus (grounds) is larger than that of UT Austin, which has 2X as many students. UVA has land. That isn't it. However, if UVA was the size of UT Austin, it would 1) have a major detrimental impact on Charlottesville and town/gown relations 2) force UVA to essentially reengineer the campus to add density and 3) lower selectivity and ultimately the reputation.

I heard UVA tends to admit fewer students to keep its selectivity. Well, they need something to justify their $92000 OOS cost of attendance.

False. You are thinking of USC, a private in So California

What are you talking about?

Go to https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0, click on School of Commerce (McIntire),

Non-Virginian: 91662 to 93022

Cute. No link found to what you quote. Right here for this year: $81-83K for OOS College of Arts and Sciences. https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0

Same page as you quoted:

School of Commerce, Third- and Fourth-Year

Virginian Non-Virginian
Tuition 27,570 66,130
Fees 3,716 4,398
Subtotal 31,286 70,528

Additional Categories 21,134 21,134 to 22,494
Total 52,420 91,662 to 93,022

Right. and you just want to bash. That's the ONLY school at UVA that is that expensive at UVA. So you cherry-picked. We were thrilled that our DD went to UVA instate for then only $12,000 a year in-state. And DS went to GMU, also in-state. I thank the Lord every day for Virginia in=state schools. I am grateful for the options we have in Virginia. Yes, OOS is higher, but usually $83K. You didn't disclose that in your post. You went for the most expensive small OOS program. That is an unfair post.

NP. PP wasn't cherry picking. Look at engineering. public policy, and others at $90K and above. But whether it is $80K or 90K, it is very expensive for a public school. Close to $50K for some of those colleges in state is crazy.

Frankly I was surprised at the engineering school OOS cost. We make good money but $90k/year is absurd.

It's 89,908 for engineering OOS. If you don't like that try UCLA OR Berkeley but they are more and at a 10% cap for OOS and internationals, very few get in. It is what it is. That is how UVA keeps itself afloat (it receives less than 6% of its budget from the state - and most professional schools operate independent of the state).

Also, keep in mind that UVA takes over 30% OOS, which I think is to its credit. UCLA and Berkeley are at 10%. UNC is even lower. So getting into the top publics is just now getting very very tough.

I understand, but for STEM i'm not so sure UVA is worth it. UMD CS is a better program and is probably $15k/year cheaper.

I'm just complaining. I'll probably end up paying anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s too bad that the flagship of a state with 8.75 million people in it only educates 17.6 thousand undergraduates. Only 2/3 of them are Virginians. Citizens should demand that UVA have 82% from instate, like UNC, since the cannot or won’t increase its overall size.

UVA was built in 1819. It is completely landlocked by the town that grew up around it. So it cannot expand further unlike the huge California publics. Nevertheless, there is an entity called the UVA Foundation whose mission it is to buy up real estate when available.

It’s too bad that UVA never developed an additional campus in Charlottesville. Michigan did that many years ago when they realized they needed more land to grow the school since there was a need.

But they did. They have the North Grounds, where Law and Graduate Business relocated and are based. They situated research in new developments. They have acquired a lot of land over time.

As an example, UVa bought the former Cavalier Inn, bulldozed it, and now is building a School of Data Science on that land.

UVA's campus (grounds) is larger than that of UT Austin, which has 2X as many students. UVA has land. That isn't it. However, if UVA was the size of UT Austin, it would 1) have a major detrimental impact on Charlottesville and town/gown relations 2) force UVA to essentially reengineer the campus to add density and 3) lower selectivity and ultimately the reputation.

I heard UVA tends to admit fewer students to keep its selectivity. Well, they need something to justify their $92000 OOS cost of attendance.

False. You are thinking of USC, a private in So California

What are you talking about?

Go to https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0, click on School of Commerce (McIntire),

Non-Virginian: 91662 to 93022

Cute. No link found to what you quote. Right here for this year: $81-83K for OOS College of Arts and Sciences. https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0

Same page as you quoted:

School of Commerce, Third- and Fourth-Year

Virginian Non-Virginian
Tuition 27,570 66,130
Fees 3,716 4,398
Subtotal 31,286 70,528

Additional Categories 21,134 21,134 to 22,494
Total 52,420 91,662 to 93,022

Right. and you just want to bash. That's the ONLY school at UVA that is that expensive at UVA. So you cherry-picked. We were thrilled that our DD went to UVA instate for then only $12,000 a year in-state. And DS went to GMU, also in-state. I thank the Lord every day for Virginia in=state schools. I am grateful for the options we have in Virginia. Yes, OOS is higher, but usually $83K. You didn't disclose that in your post. You went for the most expensive small OOS program. That is an unfair post.

NP. PP wasn't cherry picking. Look at engineering. public policy, and others at $90K and above. But whether it is $80K or 90K, it is very expensive for a public school. Close to $50K for some of those colleges in state is crazy.

Frankly I was surprised at the engineering school OOS cost. We make good money but $90k/year is absurd.

It's 89,908 for engineering OOS. If you don't like that try UCLA OR Berkeley but they are more and at a 10% cap for OOS and internationals, very few get in. It is what it is. That is how UVA keeps itself afloat (it receives less than 6% of its budget from the state - and most professional schools operate independent of the state).

Also, keep in mind that UVA takes over 30% OOS, which I think is to its credit. UCLA and Berkeley are at 10%. UNC is even lower. So getting into the top publics is just now getting very very tough.

Anonymous wrote:3.7, 1550, 35, 12 APs, long term EC, publications, biology/pre-med.

What is weighted GPA? 3.7 is low. Schev reported 75th percentile GPA for last year's incoming class at a 4.51. Median had a 4.38, etc., Yes, I know your school might not weight grades. Were they in the top 5% of class?

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UVA was built in 1819. It is completely landlocked by the town that grew up around it. So it cannot expand further unlike the huge California publics. Nevertheless, there is an entity called the UVA Foundation whose mission it is to buy up real estate when available.

It’s too bad that UVA never developed an additional campus in Charlottesville. Michigan did that many years ago when they realized they needed more land to grow the school since there was a need.

But they did. They have the North Grounds, where Law and Graduate Business relocated and are based. They situated research in new developments. They have acquired a lot of land over time.

As an example, UVa bought the former Cavalier Inn, bulldozed it, and now is building a School of Data Science on that land.

UVA's campus (grounds) is larger than that of UT Austin, which has 2X as many students. UVA has land. That isn't it. However, if UVA was the size of UT Austin, it would 1) have a major detrimental impact on Charlottesville and town/gown relations 2) force UVA to essentially reengineer the campus to add density and 3) lower selectivity and ultimately the reputation.

I heard UVA tends to admit fewer students to keep its selectivity. Well, they need something to justify their $92000 OOS cost of attendance.

False. You are thinking of USC, a private in So California

What are you talking about?

Go to https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0, click on School of Commerce (McIntire),

Non-Virginian: 91662 to 93022

Cute. No link found to what you quote. Right here for this year: $81-83K for OOS College of Arts and Sciences. https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2024-0

Same page as you quoted:

School of Commerce, Third- and Fourth-Year

Virginian Non-Virginian
Tuition 27,570 66,130
Fees 3,716 4,398
Subtotal 31,286 70,528

Additional Categories 21,134 21,134 to 22,494
Total 52,420 91,662 to 93,022

Right. and you just want to bash. That's the ONLY school at UVA that is that expensive at UVA. So you cherry-picked. We were thrilled that our DD went to UVA instate for then only $12,000 a year in-state. And DS went to GMU, also in-state. I thank the Lord every day for Virginia in=state schools. I am grateful for the options we have in Virginia. Yes, OOS is higher, but usually $83K. You didn't disclose that in your post. You went for the most expensive small OOS program. That is an unfair post.

NP. PP wasn't cherry picking. Look at engineering. public policy, and others at $90K and above. But whether it is $80K or 90K, it is very expensive for a public school. Close to $50K for some of those colleges in state is crazy.

Frankly I was surprised at the engineering school OOS cost. We make good money but $90k/year is absurd.

It's 89,908 for engineering OOS. If you don't like that try UCLA OR Berkeley but they are more and at a 10% cap for OOS and internationals, very few get in. It is what it is. That is how UVA keeps itself afloat (it receives less than 6% of its budget from the state - and most professional schools operate independent of the state).

3.7, 1550, 35, 12 APs, long term EC, publications, biology/pre-med.

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Anonymous wrote:This will be a sad day. Counselor had already told us with wgpa 4.32, DD will not be accepted. But she still submitted the application hoping that the other aspect of her file may win over under the "holistic" review ...

DD is indeed rejected at UVA. But the letter she received was very long and strange, talking about the door to UVA remains open for her if after one year or two she is still interested. Even for graduate school?! Did anyone receive this kind of long rejection letter?! Glad she is in at VT. Not all sad at least.

what's DD's unweighted GPA, how many APs, applied to which major?