Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Side question: what do kids do while waiting in line? Look at phones?

They lose their GD minds. I have really great, well behaved kids, but it's a LOT to ask a 2 year old to wait in line 45+ min. 90 min? Shoot me. And then you repeat all day for 12 hours straight. But to answer your question, we play games on our boogie boards, color, eat a million snacks. I really wish we could have strollers so my 2 year old could nap, but no it's fine if I hold her for HOURS every day. Just schedule a chiropractor appt when you return.

All of my friends whose kids have even minor diagnoses like ADHD or Autism get special medical exemption to cut the line. I actually think this might be why lines are longer for everyone else. One friend made it up and it worked although you do have to have a brief interview with Disney to get the medical pass.

You're asking for trouble by bringing 2 year olds. My kids are older and we're going for the first time to WDW in a few months. The youngest is 8. We've done Disneyland several times and have mastered Genie+ such that we almost never wait in a line more than 20 mins. Knowing how much patience is required for the heat, lines, and crowds why do people bring babies and toddlers? It's setting them up for failure.

Because I too have older kids? My 5 and 7 year old are over the moon with Disney World. Sadly Disney doesn't offer daycare where I can drop the littlest off for the day.

Also, the 2 year old LOVED Minne and Mickey. She also really liked the rides that she went on too.

You could just wait until your 2 yr old is older.

OK? But I'm not. My 5 and 7 year olds want to go right now while it's still magical for them. And Dh and I don't want to split up with our vacations. FWIW the 2 year old only waited for rides she could ride, the rest of the time her and I played outside while the others rode Tower of Terror or Space Mountain or whatever.

I'm in a lot of Disney groups and the Disney DAS (the disability pass) scam is alive and well. It's no wonder it seems 10% of the park is on a ride on scooter. It's great that they let some autistic kids skip the line, but they're making it more miserable for everyone. If the lines were shorter for everyone, the autistic kid could easily wait 15-20 min.

np. I was with you right up until you said the autistic kid could easily wait 15-20 mins. There you are wrong. You'd be giving me side eye and on here complaining if my autistic kid had to wait with your 2yo for 15-20 mins in line.

DAS holders routinely wait 15-20 minutes in the DAS return/lightening lane line. It’s not front of the line access.

My kid uses the DAS pass. We have never waited 15-20 minutes in a lightening lane. Sometimes we've waited 10 minutes (Rise, SOARIN, Remy, Pirates) but never more. My kid won't do Tower of Terror, Slinky Dog or Everest so perhaps that is the disconnect.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Side question: what do kids do while waiting in line? Look at phones?

They lose their GD minds. I have really great, well behaved kids, but it's a LOT to ask a 2 year old to wait in line 45+ min. 90 min? Shoot me. And then you repeat all day for 12 hours straight. But to answer your question, we play games on our boogie boards, color, eat a million snacks. I really wish we could have strollers so my 2 year old could nap, but no it's fine if I hold her for HOURS every day. Just schedule a chiropractor appt when you return.

All of my friends whose kids have even minor diagnoses like ADHD or Autism get special medical exemption to cut the line. I actually think this might be why lines are longer for everyone else. One friend made it up and it worked although you do have to have a brief interview with Disney to get the medical pass.

You're asking for trouble by bringing 2 year olds. My kids are older and we're going for the first time to WDW in a few months. The youngest is 8. We've done Disneyland several times and have mastered Genie+ such that we almost never wait in a line more than 20 mins. Knowing how much patience is required for the heat, lines, and crowds why do people bring babies and toddlers? It's setting them up for failure.

Because I too have older kids? My 5 and 7 year old are over the moon with Disney World. Sadly Disney doesn't offer daycare where I can drop the littlest off for the day.

Also, the 2 year old LOVED Minne and Mickey. She also really liked the rides that she went on too.

You could just wait until your 2 yr old is older.

OK? But I'm not. My 5 and 7 year olds want to go right now while it's still magical for them. And Dh and I don't want to split up with our vacations. FWIW the 2 year old only waited for rides she could ride, the rest of the time her and I played outside while the others rode Tower of Terror or Space Mountain or whatever.

I'm in a lot of Disney groups and the Disney DAS (the disability pass) scam is alive and well. It's no wonder it seems 10% of the park is on a ride on scooter. It's great that they let some autistic kids skip the line, but they're making it more miserable for everyone. If the lines were shorter for everyone, the autistic kid could easily wait 15-20 min.

Scooters don’t skip attraction lines. And they don’t qualify for DAS. If a DAS holder is on the scooter, that is not the reason they qualified. Scooters do skip bus lines.

+1 One thing I think is great about the current DAS system is that DAS passes aren't given for mobility issues like those on scooters. In the old days, a person on a scooter would be given front-of-the-line access along with their entire party. If the person the only issue is mobility, being about to ride a scooter solves that.

I guess I don't understand how DAS users are cheating. Users can't have more than six people ride with them, so there aren't going to be huge crowds following each user. It's not as if DAS users skip the line. The same-day DAS selections do allow users to technically skip the line, in that they don't have to stand in the regular line. Instead, they are given a return time that roughly corresponds with the wait time. If they didn't have DAS, the user and their party would be in the regular line. I guess people are mad that others with disabilities don't have to stand in line with them?

My daughter has an invisible disability that is pretty awful. She doesn't like to talk about it and never uses it as an excuse. When planning a Disney trip, she was reluctant to ask for DAS. I told her that there was no shame in asking for something that would make her trip easier. If you had a choice between waiting in Disney lines and dealing with what she or many other disabled people endure on a daily basis, you would 100% pick the lines.

We have DAS. I get why people are mad. While we are waiting in the DAS virtual line, we can get something to eat, sit down somewhere cool and restful, or even go on low key attractions that are low/no wait, like People Mover or Swiss Family Treehouse. Its not equal access, its better access.

Do you mean closer parking spaces for people with disabilities? I guess I understand being mad at people who are faking disabilities, but what difference does it make to anyone else if your family is sitting in Carousel of Progress while they stand in line? It's not like you are making them or anyone else wait longer. Or are people mad that they have to wait longer because, without DAS, annoying disabled people and their families wouldn't go to Disney, so the parks would be less crowded? Is that the argument? If people are that angry, they can pay for Genie Plus or individual lightning lanes and have a similar experience.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Side question: what do kids do while waiting in line? Look at phones?

They lose their GD minds. I have really great, well behaved kids, but it's a LOT to ask a 2 year old to wait in line 45+ min. 90 min? Shoot me. And then you repeat all day for 12 hours straight. But to answer your question, we play games on our boogie boards, color, eat a million snacks. I really wish we could have strollers so my 2 year old could nap, but no it's fine if I hold her for HOURS every day. Just schedule a chiropractor appt when you return.

All of my friends whose kids have even minor diagnoses like ADHD or Autism get special medical exemption to cut the line. I actually think this might be why lines are longer for everyone else. One friend made it up and it worked although you do have to have a brief interview with Disney to get the medical pass.

You're asking for trouble by bringing 2 year olds. My kids are older and we're going for the first time to WDW in a few months. The youngest is 8. We've done Disneyland several times and have mastered Genie+ such that we almost never wait in a line more than 20 mins. Knowing how much patience is required for the heat, lines, and crowds why do people bring babies and toddlers? It's setting them up for failure.

Because I too have older kids? My 5 and 7 year old are over the moon with Disney World. Sadly Disney doesn't offer daycare where I can drop the littlest off for the day.

Also, the 2 year old LOVED Minne and Mickey. She also really liked the rides that she went on too.

You could just wait until your 2 yr old is older.

OK? But I'm not. My 5 and 7 year olds want to go right now while it's still magical for them. And Dh and I don't want to split up with our vacations. FWIW the 2 year old only waited for rides she could ride, the rest of the time her and I played outside while the others rode Tower of Terror or Space Mountain or whatever.

I'm in a lot of Disney groups and the Disney DAS (the disability pass) scam is alive and well. It's no wonder it seems 10% of the park is on a ride on scooter. It's great that they let some autistic kids skip the line, but they're making it more miserable for everyone. If the lines were shorter for everyone, the autistic kid could easily wait 15-20 min.

np. I was with you right up until you said the autistic kid could easily wait 15-20 mins. There you are wrong. You'd be giving me side eye and on here complaining if my autistic kid had to wait with your 2yo for 15-20 mins in line.

DAS holders routinely wait 15-20 minutes in the DAS return/lightening lane line. It’s not front of the line access.

My kid uses the DAS pass. We have never waited 15-20 minutes in a lightening lane. Sometimes we've waited 10 minutes (Rise, SOARIN, Remy, Pirates) but never more. My kid won't do Tower of Terror, Slinky Dog or Everest so perhaps that is the disconnect.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Side question: what do kids do while waiting in line? Look at phones?

They lose their GD minds. I have really great, well behaved kids, but it's a LOT to ask a 2 year old to wait in line 45+ min. 90 min? Shoot me. And then you repeat all day for 12 hours straight. But to answer your question, we play games on our boogie boards, color, eat a million snacks. I really wish we could have strollers so my 2 year old could nap, but no it's fine if I hold her for HOURS every day. Just schedule a chiropractor appt when you return.

All of my friends whose kids have even minor diagnoses like ADHD or Autism get special medical exemption to cut the line. I actually think this might be why lines are longer for everyone else. One friend made it up and it worked although you do have to have a brief interview with Disney to get the medical pass.

You're asking for trouble by bringing 2 year olds. My kids are older and we're going for the first time to WDW in a few months. The youngest is 8. We've done Disneyland several times and have mastered Genie+ such that we almost never wait in a line more than 20 mins. Knowing how much patience is required for the heat, lines, and crowds why do people bring babies and toddlers? It's setting them up for failure.

Because I too have older kids? My 5 and 7 year old are over the moon with Disney World. Sadly Disney doesn't offer daycare where I can drop the littlest off for the day.

Also, the 2 year old LOVED Minne and Mickey. She also really liked the rides that she went on too.

You could just wait until your 2 yr old is older.

OK? But I'm not. My 5 and 7 year olds want to go right now while it's still magical for them. And Dh and I don't want to split up with our vacations. FWIW the 2 year old only waited for rides she could ride, the rest of the time her and I played outside while the others rode Tower of Terror or Space Mountain or whatever.

I'm in a lot of Disney groups and the Disney DAS (the disability pass) scam is alive and well. It's no wonder it seems 10% of the park is on a ride on scooter. It's great that they let some autistic kids skip the line, but they're making it more miserable for everyone. If the lines were shorter for everyone, the autistic kid could easily wait 15-20 min.

np. I was with you right up until you said the autistic kid could easily wait 15-20 mins. There you are wrong. You'd be giving me side eye and on here complaining if my autistic kid had to wait with your 2yo for 15-20 mins in line.

DAS holders routinely wait 15-20 minutes in the DAS return/lightening lane line. It’s not front of the line access.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Side question: what do kids do while waiting in line? Look at phones?

They lose their GD minds. I have really great, well behaved kids, but it's a LOT to ask a 2 year old to wait in line 45+ min. 90 min? Shoot me. And then you repeat all day for 12 hours straight. But to answer your question, we play games on our boogie boards, color, eat a million snacks. I really wish we could have strollers so my 2 year old could nap, but no it's fine if I hold her for HOURS every day. Just schedule a chiropractor appt when you return.

All of my friends whose kids have even minor diagnoses like ADHD or Autism get special medical exemption to cut the line. I actually think this might be why lines are longer for everyone else. One friend made it up and it worked although you do have to have a brief interview with Disney to get the medical pass.

You're asking for trouble by bringing 2 year olds. My kids are older and we're going for the first time to WDW in a few months. The youngest is 8. We've done Disneyland several times and have mastered Genie+ such that we almost never wait in a line more than 20 mins. Knowing how much patience is required for the heat, lines, and crowds why do people bring babies and toddlers? It's setting them up for failure.

Because I too have older kids? My 5 and 7 year old are over the moon with Disney World. Sadly Disney doesn't offer daycare where I can drop the littlest off for the day.

Also, the 2 year old LOVED Minne and Mickey. She also really liked the rides that she went on too.

You could just wait until your 2 yr old is older.

OK? But I'm not. My 5 and 7 year olds want to go right now while it's still magical for them. And Dh and I don't want to split up with our vacations. FWIW the 2 year old only waited for rides she could ride, the rest of the time her and I played outside while the others rode Tower of Terror or Space Mountain or whatever.

I'm in a lot of Disney groups and the Disney DAS (the disability pass) scam is alive and well. It's no wonder it seems 10% of the park is on a ride on scooter. It's great that they let some autistic kids skip the line, but they're making it more miserable for everyone. If the lines were shorter for everyone, the autistic kid could easily wait 15-20 min.

Scooters don’t skip attraction lines. And they don’t qualify for DAS. If a DAS holder is on the scooter, that is not the reason they qualified. Scooters do skip bus lines.

+1 One thing I think is great about the current DAS system is that DAS passes aren't given for mobility issues like those on scooters. In the old days, a person on a scooter would be given front-of-the-line access along with their entire party. If the person the only issue is mobility, being about to ride a scooter solves that.

I guess I don't understand how DAS users are cheating. Users can't have more than six people ride with them, so there aren't going to be huge crowds following each user. It's not as if DAS users skip the line. The same-day DAS selections do allow users to technically skip the line, in that they don't have to stand in the regular line. Instead, they are given a return time that roughly corresponds with the wait time. If they didn't have DAS, the user and their party would be in the regular line. I guess people are mad that others with disabilities don't have to stand in line with them?

My daughter has an invisible disability that is pretty awful. She doesn't like to talk about it and never uses it as an excuse. When planning a Disney trip, she was reluctant to ask for DAS. I told her that there was no shame in asking for something that would make her trip easier. If you had a choice between waiting in Disney lines and dealing with what she or many other disabled people endure on a daily basis, you would 100% pick the lines.

We have DAS. I get why people are mad. While we are waiting in the DAS virtual line, we can get something to eat, sit down somewhere cool and restful, or even go on low key attractions that are low/no wait, like People Mover or Swiss Family Treehouse. Its not equal access, its better access.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Side question: what do kids do while waiting in line? Look at phones?

They lose their GD minds. I have really great, well behaved kids, but it's a LOT to ask a 2 year old to wait in line 45+ min. 90 min? Shoot me. And then you repeat all day for 12 hours straight. But to answer your question, we play games on our boogie boards, color, eat a million snacks. I really wish we could have strollers so my 2 year old could nap, but no it's fine if I hold her for HOURS every day. Just schedule a chiropractor appt when you return.

All of my friends whose kids have even minor diagnoses like ADHD or Autism get special medical exemption to cut the line. I actually think this might be why lines are longer for everyone else. One friend made it up and it worked although you do have to have a brief interview with Disney to get the medical pass.

You're asking for trouble by bringing 2 year olds. My kids are older and we're going for the first time to WDW in a few months. The youngest is 8. We've done Disneyland several times and have mastered Genie+ such that we almost never wait in a line more than 20 mins. Knowing how much patience is required for the heat, lines, and crowds why do people bring babies and toddlers? It's setting them up for failure.

I brought all four of my kids annually, starting when my oldest was 2. It has nothing to do with the age. This PP made her 2 year old wait in 45+ minute lines all day? That was the problem. There are lots and lots of activities and rides at WDW that do not require those wait times. With a 2 year old, you go early in the morning and hit a bunch of rides while others are trying to get to the park, then you leave and go back to the hotel for a nap and then return in the late afternoon. Use Genie+ and LLs. Choose your parks and park hopping wisely to go opposite from the crowds, etc. And don't go during peak periods.

When I went, every hour was peak hour. I hear what you're saying and that worked on an earlier trip for me, but they PACK the parks now. You can barely move.

DP

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Side question: what do kids do while waiting in line? Look at phones?

They lose their GD minds. I have really great, well behaved kids, but it's a LOT to ask a 2 year old to wait in line 45+ min. 90 min? Shoot me. And then you repeat all day for 12 hours straight. But to answer your question, we play games on our boogie boards, color, eat a million snacks. I really wish we could have strollers so my 2 year old could nap, but no it's fine if I hold her for HOURS every day. Just schedule a chiropractor appt when you return.

All of my friends whose kids have even minor diagnoses like ADHD or Autism get special medical exemption to cut the line. I actually think this might be why lines are longer for everyone else. One friend made it up and it worked although you do have to have a brief interview with Disney to get the medical pass.

You're asking for trouble by bringing 2 year olds. My kids are older and we're going for the first time to WDW in a few months. The youngest is 8. We've done Disneyland several times and have mastered Genie+ such that we almost never wait in a line more than 20 mins. Knowing how much patience is required for the heat, lines, and crowds why do people bring babies and toddlers? It's setting them up for failure.

I brought all four of my kids annually, starting when my oldest was 2. It has nothing to do with the age. This PP made her 2 year old wait in 45+ minute lines all day? That was the problem. There are lots and lots of activities and rides at WDW that do not require those wait times. With a 2 year old, you go early in the morning and hit a bunch of rides while others are trying to get to the park, then you leave and go back to the hotel for a nap and then return in the late afternoon. Use Genie+ and LLs. Choose your parks and park hopping wisely to go opposite from the crowds, etc. And don't go during peak periods.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Side question: what do kids do while waiting in line? Look at phones?

They lose their GD minds. I have really great, well behaved kids, but it's a LOT to ask a 2 year old to wait in line 45+ min. 90 min? Shoot me. And then you repeat all day for 12 hours straight. But to answer your question, we play games on our boogie boards, color, eat a million snacks. I really wish we could have strollers so my 2 year old could nap, but no it's fine if I hold her for HOURS every day. Just schedule a chiropractor appt when you return.

All of my friends whose kids have even minor diagnoses like ADHD or Autism get special medical exemption to cut the line. I actually think this might be why lines are longer for everyone else. One friend made it up and it worked although you do have to have a brief interview with Disney to get the medical pass.

You're asking for trouble by bringing 2 year olds. My kids are older and we're going for the first time to WDW in a few months. The youngest is 8. We've done Disneyland several times and have mastered Genie+ such that we almost never wait in a line more than 20 mins. Knowing how much patience is required for the heat, lines, and crowds why do people bring babies and toddlers? It's setting them up for failure.

Because I too have older kids? My 5 and 7 year old are over the moon with Disney World. Sadly Disney doesn't offer daycare where I can drop the littlest off for the day.

Also, the 2 year old LOVED Minne and Mickey. She also really liked the rides that she went on too.

You could just wait until your 2 yr old is older.

OK? But I'm not. My 5 and 7 year olds want to go right now while it's still magical for them. And Dh and I don't want to split up with our vacations. FWIW the 2 year old only waited for rides she could ride, the rest of the time her and I played outside while the others rode Tower of Terror or Space Mountain or whatever.

I'm in a lot of Disney groups and the Disney DAS (the disability pass) scam is alive and well. It's no wonder it seems 10% of the park is on a ride on scooter. It's great that they let some autistic kids skip the line, but they're making it more miserable for everyone. If the lines were shorter for everyone, the autistic kid could easily wait 15-20 min.

Scooters don’t skip attraction lines. And they don’t qualify for DAS. If a DAS holder is on the scooter, that is not the reason they qualified. Scooters do skip bus lines.

+1 One thing I think is great about the current DAS system is that DAS passes aren't given for mobility issues like those on scooters. In the old days, a person on a scooter would be given front-of-the-line access along with their entire party. If the person the only issue is mobility, being about to ride a scooter solves that.

I guess I don't understand how DAS users are cheating. Users can't have more than six people ride with them, so there aren't going to be huge crowds following each user. It's not as if DAS users skip the line. The same-day DAS selections do allow users to technically skip the line, in that they don't have to stand in the regular line. Instead, they are given a return time that roughly corresponds with the wait time. If they didn't have DAS, the user and their party would be in the regular line. I guess people are mad that others with disabilities don't have to stand in line with them?

My daughter has an invisible disability that is pretty awful. She doesn't like to talk about it and never uses it as an excuse. When planning a Disney trip, she was reluctant to ask for DAS. I told her that there was no shame in asking for something that would make her trip easier. If you had a choice between waiting in Disney lines and dealing with what she or many other disabled people endure on a daily basis, you would 100% pick the lines.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Side question: what do kids do while waiting in line? Look at phones?

They lose their GD minds. I have really great, well behaved kids, but it's a LOT to ask a 2 year old to wait in line 45+ min. 90 min? Shoot me. And then you repeat all day for 12 hours straight. But to answer your question, we play games on our boogie boards, color, eat a million snacks. I really wish we could have strollers so my 2 year old could nap, but no it's fine if I hold her for HOURS every day. Just schedule a chiropractor appt when you return.

All of my friends whose kids have even minor diagnoses like ADHD or Autism get special medical exemption to cut the line. I actually think this might be why lines are longer for everyone else. One friend made it up and it worked although you do have to have a brief interview with Disney to get the medical pass.

You're asking for trouble by bringing 2 year olds. My kids are older and we're going for the first time to WDW in a few months. The youngest is 8. We've done Disneyland several times and have mastered Genie+ such that we almost never wait in a line more than 20 mins. Knowing how much patience is required for the heat, lines, and crowds why do people bring babies and toddlers? It's setting them up for failure.

Because I too have older kids? My 5 and 7 year old are over the moon with Disney World. Sadly Disney doesn't offer daycare where I can drop the littlest off for the day.

Also, the 2 year old LOVED Minne and Mickey. She also really liked the rides that she went on too.

You could just wait until your 2 yr old is older.

OK? But I'm not. My 5 and 7 year olds want to go right now while it's still magical for them. And Dh and I don't want to split up with our vacations. FWIW the 2 year old only waited for rides she could ride, the rest of the time her and I played outside while the others rode Tower of Terror or Space Mountain or whatever.

I'm in a lot of Disney groups and the Disney DAS (the disability pass) scam is alive and well. It's no wonder it seems 10% of the park is on a ride on scooter. It's great that they let some autistic kids skip the line, but they're making it more miserable for everyone. If the lines were shorter for everyone, the autistic kid could easily wait 15-20 min.

Scooters don’t skip attraction lines. And they don’t qualify for DAS. If a DAS holder is on the scooter, that is not the reason they qualified. Scooters do skip bus lines.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Side question: what do kids do while waiting in line? Look at phones?

They lose their GD minds. I have really great, well behaved kids, but it's a LOT to ask a 2 year old to wait in line 45+ min. 90 min? Shoot me. And then you repeat all day for 12 hours straight. But to answer your question, we play games on our boogie boards, color, eat a million snacks. I really wish we could have strollers so my 2 year old could nap, but no it's fine if I hold her for HOURS every day. Just schedule a chiropractor appt when you return.

All of my friends whose kids have even minor diagnoses like ADHD or Autism get special medical exemption to cut the line. I actually think this might be why lines are longer for everyone else. One friend made it up and it worked although you do have to have a brief interview with Disney to get the medical pass.

You're asking for trouble by bringing 2 year olds. My kids are older and we're going for the first time to WDW in a few months. The youngest is 8. We've done Disneyland several times and have mastered Genie+ such that we almost never wait in a line more than 20 mins. Knowing how much patience is required for the heat, lines, and crowds why do people bring babies and toddlers? It's setting them up for failure.

Because I too have older kids? My 5 and 7 year old are over the moon with Disney World. Sadly Disney doesn't offer daycare where I can drop the littlest off for the day.

Also, the 2 year old LOVED Minne and Mickey. She also really liked the rides that she went on too.

You could just wait until your 2 yr old is older.

OK? But I'm not. My 5 and 7 year olds want to go right now while it's still magical for them. And Dh and I don't want to split up with our vacations. FWIW the 2 year old only waited for rides she could ride, the rest of the time her and I played outside while the others rode Tower of Terror or Space Mountain or whatever.

I'm in a lot of Disney groups and the Disney DAS (the disability pass) scam is alive and well. It's no wonder it seems 10% of the park is on a ride on scooter. It's great that they let some autistic kids skip the line, but they're making it more miserable for everyone. If the lines were shorter for everyone, the autistic kid could easily wait 15-20 min.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not a big disney fan, but don't a lot of vacations involve planning? I spent more time researching my trip to Alaska than I did researching disney (and I spent plenty of time reading up on Genie+ strategies). Unless you are just going to chill on the beach for a week, vacations take planning and often some things have to be arranged in advance.

I don’t mind planning. In fact, I find it satisfying. But once I get there, I just want to follow my plan (with some flexibility of course) and enjoy the fruits of my labor. When I went to WDW in 2016, I could do this. It sounds like with the new system, you still have to wake up at 7am to get good spots and then you continuing fretting for the rest of the day to get your line spots. It sounds like it’s a PITA.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We're going in February so I read that article with interest. After the article (which honestly didn't help explain much) I spent like 30 minutes reading how it works -- I think we're set. Its not really that complicated. I prefer the old system but what can you do.

Can you share what you read? We are going in March when it will be crowded and are trying to make it the only time.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Side question: what do kids do while waiting in line? Look at phones?

They lose their GD minds. I have really great, well behaved kids, but it's a LOT to ask a 2 year old to wait in line 45+ min. 90 min? Shoot me. And then you repeat all day for 12 hours straight. But to answer your question, we play games on our boogie boards, color, eat a million snacks. I really wish we could have strollers so my 2 year old could nap, but no it's fine if I hold her for HOURS every day. Just schedule a chiropractor appt when you return.

All of my friends whose kids have even minor diagnoses like ADHD or Autism get special medical exemption to cut the line. I actually think this might be why lines are longer for everyone else. One friend made it up and it worked although you do have to have a brief interview with Disney to get the medical pass.

You're asking for trouble by bringing 2 year olds. My kids are older and we're going for the first time to WDW in a few months. The youngest is 8. We've done Disneyland several times and have mastered Genie+ such that we almost never wait in a line more than 20 mins. Knowing how much patience is required for the heat, lines, and crowds why do people bring babies and toddlers? It's setting them up for failure.

Because I too have older kids? My 5 and 7 year old are over the moon with Disney World. Sadly Disney doesn't offer daycare where I can drop the littlest off for the day.

Also, the 2 year old LOVED Minne and Mickey. She also really liked the rides that she went on too.

You could just wait until your 2 yr old is older.

OK? But I'm not. My 5 and 7 year olds want to go right now while it's still magical for them. And Dh and I don't want to split up with our vacations. FWIW the 2 year old only waited for rides she could ride, the rest of the time her and I played outside while the others rode Tower of Terror or Space Mountain or whatever.

I'm in a lot of Disney groups and the Disney DAS (the disability pass) scam is alive and well. It's no wonder it seems 10% of the park is on a ride on scooter. It's great that they let some autistic kids skip the line, but they're making it more miserable for everyone. If the lines were shorter for everyone, the autistic kid could easily wait 15-20 min.

Anonymous wrote:We're going in February so I read that article with interest. After the article (which honestly didn't help explain much) I spent like 30 minutes reading how it works -- I think we're set. Its not really that complicated. I prefer the old system but what can you do.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Side question: what do kids do while waiting in line? Look at phones?

They lose their GD minds. I have really great, well behaved kids, but it's a LOT to ask a 2 year old to wait in line 45+ min. 90 min? Shoot me. And then you repeat all day for 12 hours straight. But to answer your question, we play games on our boogie boards, color, eat a million snacks. I really wish we could have strollers so my 2 year old could nap, but no it's fine if I hold her for HOURS every day. Just schedule a chiropractor appt when you return.

All of my friends whose kids have even minor diagnoses like ADHD or Autism get special medical exemption to cut the line. I actually think this might be why lines are longer for everyone else. One friend made it up and it worked although you do have to have a brief interview with Disney to get the medical pass.

You're asking for trouble by bringing 2 year olds. My kids are older and we're going for the first time to WDW in a few months. The youngest is 8. We've done Disneyland several times and have mastered Genie+ such that we almost never wait in a line more than 20 mins. Knowing how much patience is required for the heat, lines, and crowds why do people bring babies and toddlers? It's setting them up for failure.

Because I too have older kids? My 5 and 7 year old are over the moon with Disney World. Sadly Disney doesn't offer daycare where I can drop the littlest off for the day.

Also, the 2 year old LOVED Minne and Mickey. She also really liked the rides that she went on too.

You could just wait until your 2 yr old is older.

OK? But I'm not. My 5 and 7 year olds want to go right now while it's still magical for them. And Dh and I don't want to split up with our vacations. FWIW the 2 year old only waited for rides she could ride, the rest of the time her and I played outside while the others rode Tower of Terror or Space Mountain or whatever.

I'm in a lot of Disney groups and the Disney DAS (the disability pass) scam is alive and well. It's no wonder it seems 10% of the park is on a ride on scooter. It's great that they let some autistic kids skip the line, but they're making it more miserable for everyone. If the lines were shorter for everyone, the autistic kid could easily wait 15-20 min.

np. I was with you right up until you said the autistic kid could easily wait 15-20 mins. There you are wrong. You'd be giving me side eye and on here complaining if my autistic kid had to wait with your 2yo for 15-20 mins in line.