Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 09:48     Subject: JHU - 18% white in class of 2027
A white “Pablo Garcia” looks just as Hispanic as an indigenous “Pablo Garcia” on a job application. Are all hiring managers free of biases? Have we moved on from that? Will people still discriminate against both Pablos? Will they think they are both lazy, criminals, rapists? Do many Hispanics feel they have to be 200% better than the rest to taken seriously? Do they have to always be aware of stereotypes, and do the complete opposite, just to feel accepted in certain circles? Were they placed in regular track k-12 classes, because it was assumed they couldn’t handle the work load of honors/AP classes?

All this still happens, but from the outside, it is hard to see. You know, how some white people say they haven’t noticed any racism.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 09:29     Subject: JHU - 18% white in class of 2027
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For the people in the back, not all Hispanic/Latino people have indigenous features. We come in many “shades”. Walking around campus and not seeing many “stereotypical” Latino students, does not mean there really aren’t a lot of them there.


But the only thing you share is a language.

Your family has benefited from colonization, slavery, feudal plantations, and a racist class system in your home country for however long they were there, be it 20 years or 400.

Why should you get priority admission over your landscaper from El Salvador's kids? They're indigenous to the Americas. Their family has suffered centuries of oppression and displacement--up to the present day.

You're not the same.

I'm all for overturning the simplistic definitions of race and culture we use, definitions that are gamed by the UMC just as everything else is. I would like to see emphasis be placed on first generation, and not on divisive arguments about race that create monolithic definitions based on skin tone that have no relation to history or heredity.


Why should some children pay the price for these sins so other children can jump in line ahead of them? Thankfully these policies are going away.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 09:24     Subject: JHU - 18% white in class of 2027
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m confused! I thought race was no longer taken into consideration?


We will see by this years numbers at JHU if that’s true. There’s no way it can match past demographic breakouts if they are truly not considering race.


+100

If race is not a factor which Supreme Court ruled it cannot be. There is no way JHU can have whites at the sane percentage as blacks and Hispanics even higher.

Statistically that is impossible. Their admission stats should like wildly different for the next incoming class, if not they will be sued.


+1. Class of 2028 will be 90% Asian if they are actually following the law
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 08:23     Subject: JHU - 18% white in class of 2027
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m confused! I thought race was no longer taken into consideration?


We will see by this years numbers at JHU if that’s true. There’s no way it can match past demographic breakouts if they are truly not considering race.


+100

If race is not a factor which Supreme Court ruled it cannot be. There is no way JHU can have whites at the sane percentage as blacks and Hispanics even higher.

Statistically that is impossible. Their admission stats should like wildly different for the next incoming class, if not they will be sued.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 00:43     Subject: JHU - 18% white in class of 2027
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But 16% White students and 16% Black students?


Washington Adventist has 9 White Male students, not even enough for a hockey team!

https://www.univstats.com/colleges/washington-adventist-university/student-population/

It seems that some schools are unable to attract this demographic. Does John Hopkins want to emulate Washington Adventist?



False equivalents. First, your stats are off. https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/washington-adventist-university/student-life/diversity/#ethnic_diversity. Second, Washington Adventist is a Seventh Day Adventist college, originally a mission training school. Seventh-Day Adventists are one of the fastest-growing protestant faiths, especially in South (32% black) and in Africa.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 00:17     Subject: JHU - 18% white in class of 2027
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If what you want is a university without all the holistic admissions nonsense to cover up admissions corruption, Hopkins is the place. Grades, Standardized tests, Teacher recommendations. Daddy does not need to set up an NGO.


How do you come to this conclusion? I get they don’t factor legacy, but assume they care about all the other holistic stuff.

They also absolutely recruit athletes.


They do recruit athletes and my child was going through it with them. The coaches made it very clear that the standards for admission are the standards for admission. They asked for grades and test scores almost right off the bat. And maybe there is some allowances for Hopkins athletes, it is not out experience and it most def is not a significant allowance. DC didn't go as JHU was not taking DC's position in DC's grad year so it didn't work out. But one of DC's teammates IS going there and that kid is beyond smart and I have no doubt meets the academic requirements.

Athletes are not taking anyone's kid's spot at Hopkins.

Ok, so you need good grades but only in regular classes. I’ve seen the kids who get recruited and the academic standards aren’t the same.
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2024 23:50     Subject: JHU - 18% white in class of 2027
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For the people in the back, not all Hispanic/Latino people have indigenous features. We come in many “shades”. Walking around campus and not seeing many “stereotypical” Latino students, does not mean there really aren’t a lot of them there.


But the only thing you share is a language.



Your family has benefited from colonization, slavery, feudal plantations, and a racist class system in your home country for however long they were there, be it 20 years or 400.

Why should you get priority admission over your landscaper from El Salvador's kids? They're indigenous to the Americas. Their family has suffered centuries of oppression and displacement--up to the present day.

You're not the same.

I'm all for overturning the simplistic definitions of race and culture we use, definitions that are gamed by the UMC just as everything else is. I would like to see emphasis be placed on first generation, and not on divisive arguments about race that create monolithic definitions based on skin tone that have no relation to history or heredity.


I agree with many of your points, yet still, as a Hispanic woman, less-indigenous looking and college educated, I have still been a victim of racism by white men and women. Men approached me assuming I was “easy”. My college roommate assumed I was “used to cleaning”.

My mother did not want to teach me Spanish, because she feared I would suffer the discrimination she did when she moved to this country.

People in the DMV might be less racist, but in other parts of the country, we are all known as lazy, beaner wetbacks!


I'm sorry your college roommate sucked. I have no idea what it's been like for you, and I may never know, but I think at times we are all victims of peoples' assumptions about us. However, from what I've seen here, I've found people in the DMV to be more racist than anywhere I've lived... and I grew up in Philly. Not against me, but the casual racism on these boards (nearly always directed toward the poor, except when Asians take tests), and in our public schools is horrifying.

The absurdity of anti-Latin sentiment in the US when people in this country have spoken Spanish longer than English... I'm sorry.
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2024 23:04     Subject: JHU - 18% white in class of 2027
My DD is half Asian and had impeccable stats but didn’t get in ED. It turned out to be a major blessing in disguise.
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2024 22:36     Subject: JHU - 18% white in class of 2027
The only kid I know who got into JHU is a white recruited athlete (so, hooked).
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2024 22:35     Subject: JHU - 18% white in class of 2027
Anonymous wrote:I’m confused! I thought race was no longer taken into consideration?


We will see by this years numbers at JHU if that’s true. There’s no way it can match past demographic breakouts if they are truly not considering race.
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2024 22:33     Subject: JHU - 18% white in class of 2027
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Alabama is looking more attractive to many.


Anonymous wrote:Shouldn't you be a doctor by now?


I got my Ph.D. in my mid-twenties and lectured at JHU last year.

JHU has Bloomberg's money for financial aid, and has eliminated legacy preferences. But 16% White students and 16% Black students? Compare that to Caltech at 41% and 7% respectively; it doesn't make sense.

https://apply.jhu.edu/life-at-hopkins/diversity-inclusion-at-hopkins/
https://registrar.caltech.edu/records/enrollment-statistics

JHU will have a reputation for workaholic Asian-American pre-med majors and diversity-admissions. That is not the road to prestige. Baltimore already has a bad reputation for crime and race relations. Good White upper-middle-class donut-hole students will stop applying to JHU.


It’s makes zero sense and is a lawsuit waiting to happen…
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2024 21:52     Subject: JHU - 18% white in class of 2027
Anonymous wrote:That’s because at least 1/3 white people lie in their college applications about their race.


There’s a 0 percent chance that’s true. I’d like to see the methodology behind any study that attempts to show that.
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2024 21:31     Subject: JHU - 18% white in class of 2027
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For the people in the back, not all Hispanic/Latino people have indigenous features. We come in many “shades”. Walking around campus and not seeing many “stereotypical” Latino students, does not mean there really aren’t a lot of them there.


But the only thing you share is a language.



Your family has benefited from colonization, slavery, feudal plantations, and a racist class system in your home country for however long they were there, be it 20 years or 400.

Why should you get priority admission over your landscaper from El Salvador's kids? They're indigenous to the Americas. Their family has suffered centuries of oppression and displacement--up to the present day.

You're not the same.

I'm all for overturning the simplistic definitions of race and culture we use, definitions that are gamed by the UMC just as everything else is. I would like to see emphasis be placed on first generation, and not on divisive arguments about race that create monolithic definitions based on skin tone that have no relation to history or heredity.


I agree with many of your points, yet still, as a Hispanic woman, less-indigenous looking and college educated, I have still been a victim of racism by white men and women. Men approached me assuming I was “easy”. My college roommate assumed I was “used to cleaning”.

My mother did not want to teach me Spanish, because she feared I would suffer the discrimination she did when she moved to this country.

People in the DMV might be less racist, but in other parts of the country, we are all known as lazy, beaner wetbacks!
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2024 21:30     Subject: JHU - 18% white in class of 2027
I’m confused! I thought race was no longer taken into consideration?
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2024 21:29     Subject: JHU - 18% white in class of 2027
Anonymous wrote:But 16% White students and 16% Black students?


Washington Adventist has 9 White Male students, not even enough for a hockey team!

https://www.univstats.com/colleges/washington-adventist-university/student-population/

It seems that some schools are unable to attract this demographic. Does John Hopkins want to emulate Washington Adventist?