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Anonymous wrote:PP here, there is precedent for criminal prosecution and impeachment to both occur separately without one precluding the other

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/impeachment/impeachment-claiborne.htm

But aren’t Trump’s lawyers arguing that criminal prosecution is *not* possible for a president? I thought they were saying that impeachment is the only resolution. But impeachment doesn’t mean jail time, so how is that justice?

Trump's lawyers are arguing that impeachment and conviction is a *prerequisite* for any possible jail time. Does that sound stupid? Of course it sounds stupid because it is stupid.

Trump's lawyers are correct. Otherwise, Obama would be sitting in jail for killing American citizens over seas.

Trump’s lawyers do not believe in the constitution or the USA.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here, there is precedent for criminal prosecution and impeachment to both occur separately without one precluding the other

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/impeachment/impeachment-claiborne.htm

But aren’t Trump’s lawyers arguing that criminal prosecution is *not* possible for a president? I thought they were saying that impeachment is the only resolution. But impeachment doesn’t mean jail time, so how is that justice?

Trump's lawyers are arguing that impeachment and conviction is a *prerequisite* for any possible jail time. Does that sound stupid? Of course it sounds stupid because it is stupid.

Trump's lawyers are correct. Otherwise, Obama would be sitting in jail for killing American citizens over seas.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here, there is precedent for criminal prosecution and impeachment to both occur separately without one precluding the other

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/impeachment/impeachment-claiborne.htm

But aren’t Trump’s lawyers arguing that criminal prosecution is *not* possible for a president? I thought they were saying that impeachment is the only resolution. But impeachment doesn’t mean jail time, so how is that justice?

Trump's lawyers are arguing that impeachment and conviction is a *prerequisite* for any possible jail time. Does that sound stupid? Of course it sounds stupid because it is stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here, there is precedent for criminal prosecution and impeachment to both occur separately without one precluding the other

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/impeachment/impeachment-claiborne.htm

But aren’t Trump’s lawyers arguing that criminal prosecution is *not* possible for a president? I thought they were saying that impeachment is the only resolution. But impeachment doesn’t mean jail time, so how is that justice?

Trump's lawyers are arguing that impeachment and conviction is a *prerequisite* for any possible jail time. Does that sound stupid? Of course it sounds stupid because it is stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here, there is precedent for criminal prosecution and impeachment to both occur separately without one precluding the other

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/impeachment/impeachment-claiborne.htm

But aren’t Trump’s lawyers arguing that criminal prosecution is *not* possible for a president? I thought they were saying that impeachment is the only resolution. But impeachment doesn’t mean jail time, so how is that justice?

Anonymous wrote:PP here, there is precedent for criminal prosecution and impeachment to both occur separately without one precluding the other

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/impeachment/impeachment-claiborne.htm

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I guess Obama can be jailed for drone murders

Yep.

Much worse than anything. Over a thousand innocents including Americans and he kept doing it thinking he had immunity. But he doesn’t and he makes Trump look like an American hero.

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I guess Obama can be jailed for drone murders

Yep.

Much worse than anything. Over a thousand innocents including Americans and he kept doing it thinking he had immunity. But he doesn’t and he makes Trump look like an American hero.

Trump has turned democrats into the pro-drone murder of innocents.

It’s amazing how he’s flipped the parties and turned the GOP into the growth party with most of the popular issue stances. Now leading among Hispanics, still leading with whites and cutting into Democrat African American leads plus gaining on the Jewish vote and even turning Muslims against the democrats.

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I guess Obama can be jailed for drone murders

Yep.

Much worse than anything. Over a thousand innocents including Americans and he kept doing it thinking he had immunity. But he doesn’t and he makes Trump look like an American hero.

These posters illustrate the lack of character that is the modern Republican party.

Drone murder of innocents multitudes of times is jailable. Sorry Obama no immunity for murder

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I guess Obama can be jailed for drone murders

Yep.

Much worse than anything. Over a thousand innocents including Americans and he kept doing it thinking he had immunity. But he doesn’t and he makes Trump look like an American hero.

These posters illustrate the lack of character that is the modern Republican party.

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Anonymous wrote:
I guess Obama can be jailed for drone murders

Yep.

Much worse than anything. Over a thousand innocents including Americans and he kept doing it thinking he had immunity. But he doesn’t and he makes Trump look like an American hero.

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Anonymous wrote:My 13:year old saw the thread title and said, Haven't these people heard of the rule of law? We learned about it in school. No, the president isn't above the law. Of course not.

Did you explain to your 13 year old that the constitution specified impeachment for High Crimes and Misdemeanors and that President Trump was impeached and not convicted?

DP and then her 13 year might reply but what if a president resigns before impeachment and conviction take place, that means he's above the law if he commits High Crimes and Misdemeanors?

Maybe. But that isn’t what happened. Trump WAS impeached and was found not guilty. That is the situation.

He wasn't found "not guilty" - a majority of senators voted to disbar Trump from running again, but not the 60 needed to prevent it outright. More than 10 said they would not vote against Trump because he was out of office, so voting for removal was unnecessary and further, that the DOJ would have jursidiction.

So now we have the DOJ arguing in court and team trump citing the lack of removal by the Senate as the get out of jail free card...IOW playing both sides.

Actually the threshold is 67 votes in the senate to convict, which is impossibly high. Trump could easily come up with any BS excuse for any crime whatsoever and get 34 Republican senators to cover for him.

If impeachment plus conviction is the *only* way to hold a president accountable, there are multiple loopholes:
A president could commit a crime then immediately resign.
A president could commit a crime on January 19, just before their term ends.
A president could commit a crime that is not discovered until they are no longer president.
A president could commit a crime that, by its very nature, prevents impeachment from happening. Use your imagination.

If impeachment is the only exception to presidential immunity then there must be a way to impeach a former president. Since there's not, if the court agrees with Trump they're saying that presidents are monarchs. Trump may not realize he's going to lose this argument, but his lawyers certainly do.

What happens after a president is convicted of impeachment? It’s my understanding that he would lose the presidency and just become a private citizen and that’s it. Is that correct? Or does an impeachment conviction also come with a jail sentence?

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Anonymous wrote:My 13:year old saw the thread title and said, Haven't these people heard of the rule of law? We learned about it in school. No, the president isn't above the law. Of course not.

Did you explain to your 13 year old that the constitution specified impeachment for High Crimes and Misdemeanors and that President Trump was impeached and not convicted?

DP and then her 13 year might reply but what if a president resigns before impeachment and conviction take place, that means he's above the law if he commits High Crimes and Misdemeanors?

Maybe. But that isn’t what happened. Trump WAS impeached and was found not guilty. That is the situation.

He wasn't found "not guilty" - a majority of senators voted to disbar Trump from running again, but not the 60 needed to prevent it outright. More than 10 said they would not vote against Trump because he was out of office, so voting for removal was unnecessary and further, that the DOJ would have jursidiction.

So now we have the DOJ arguing in court and team trump citing the lack of removal by the Senate as the get out of jail free card...IOW playing both sides.

Actually the threshold is 67 votes in the senate to convict, which is impossibly high. Trump could easily come up with any BS excuse for any crime whatsoever and get 34 Republican senators to cover for him.

If impeachment plus conviction is the *only* way to hold a president accountable, there are multiple loopholes:
A president could commit a crime then immediately resign.
A president could commit a crime on January 19, just before their term ends.
A president could commit a crime that is not discovered until they are no longer president.
A president could commit a crime that, by its very nature, prevents impeachment from happening. Use your imagination.

If impeachment is the only exception to presidential immunity then there must be a way to impeach a former president. Since there's not, if the court agrees with Trump they're saying that presidents are monarchs. Trump may not realize he's going to lose this argument, but his lawyers certainly do.

What happens after a president is convicted of impeachment? It’s my understanding that he would lose the presidency and just become a private citizen and that’s it. Is that correct? Or does an impeachment conviction also come with a jail sentence?

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I guess Obama can be jailed for drone murders