Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 14:04     Subject: Biden Admin to Remove Statue of William Penn from Philadelphia Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is an ugly park design from the 1980s. I'm sure whatever they replace it with will be much nicer and far more welcoming.

And, no, OP, they are not "cancelling" William Penn from PENNsylvania. The faux outrage over this is stupid.


It's truly amazing how everyone is vigorously defending taking down the statue of William Penn, the epitome of a moral American, as a good thing.


Rule number 1 in any dictatorship: Don't challenge the Party.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 14:00     Subject: Biden Admin to Remove Statue of William Penn from Philadelphia Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is an ugly park design from the 1980s. I'm sure whatever they replace it with will be much nicer and far more welcoming.

And, no, OP, they are not "cancelling" William Penn from PENNsylvania. The faux outrage over this is stupid.


It's truly amazing how everyone is vigorously defending taking down the statue of William Penn, the epitome of a moral American, as a good thing.


He’s on top of City Hall. Do we have to have multiple statues of dead men everywhere? I think one is enough per city.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 13:28     Subject: Re:Biden Admin to Remove Statue of William Penn from Philadelphia Park
How long until we're blaming Putin for making us remove statues?
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 12:37     Subject: Biden Admin to Remove Statue of William Penn from Philadelphia Park
It’s now listed as open for comment:

https://parkplanning.nps.gov/documentsOpenForReview.cfm?projectID=98154&parkID=245
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 10:03     Subject: Biden Admin to Remove Statue of William Penn from Philadelphia Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is an ugly park design from the 1980s. I'm sure whatever they replace it with will be much nicer and far more welcoming.

And, no, OP, they are not "cancelling" William Penn from PENNsylvania. The faux outrage over this is stupid.


It's truly amazing how everyone is vigorously defending taking down the statue of William Penn, the epitome of a moral American, as a good thing.


Or simply moving it to turn a mediocre space into something more exciting.

Would you like it in your back yard? Why don't you suggest that, the NPS is taking comments now as they decide how to improve the space!


Does anyone see exactly where and how to leave a comment on the NPS website?

I don’t see it in the list of projects that are open for public comment:

https://parkplanning.nps.gov/
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 09:51     Subject: Biden Admin to Remove Statue of William Penn from Philadelphia Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is an ugly park design from the 1980s. I'm sure whatever they replace it with will be much nicer and far more welcoming.

And, no, OP, they are not "cancelling" William Penn from PENNsylvania. The faux outrage over this is stupid.


It's truly amazing how everyone is vigorously defending taking down the statue of William Penn, the epitome of a moral American, as a good thing.


Let's get real. The epitomes of a moral American are Harriet Tubman and Dorothy Day.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 09:50     Subject: Biden Admin to Remove Statue of William Penn from Philadelphia Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is an ugly park design from the 1980s. I'm sure whatever they replace it with will be much nicer and far more welcoming.

And, no, OP, they are not "cancelling" William Penn from PENNsylvania. The faux outrage over this is stupid.


It's truly amazing how everyone is vigorously defending taking down the statue of William Penn, the epitome of a moral American, as a good thing.


Or simply moving it to turn a mediocre space into something more exciting.

Would you like it in your back yard? Why don't you suggest that, the NPS is taking comments now as they decide how to improve the space!
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 09:43     Subject: Biden Admin to Remove Statue of William Penn from Philadelphia Park
Anonymous wrote:It is an ugly park design from the 1980s. I'm sure whatever they replace it with will be much nicer and far more welcoming.

And, no, OP, they are not "cancelling" William Penn from PENNsylvania. The faux outrage over this is stupid.


It's truly amazing how everyone is vigorously defending taking down the statue of William Penn, the epitome of a moral American, as a good thing.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 09:16     Subject: Biden Admin to Remove Statue of William Penn from Philadelphia Park
Anonymous wrote:It is an ugly park design from the 1980s. I'm sure whatever they replace it with will be much nicer and far more welcoming.

And, no, OP, they are not "cancelling" William Penn from PENNsylvania. The faux outrage over this is stupid.


+1
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 08:56     Subject: Biden Admin to Remove Statue of William Penn from Philadelphia Park
It is an ugly park design from the 1980s. I'm sure whatever they replace it with will be much nicer and far more welcoming.

And, no, OP, they are not "cancelling" William Penn from PENNsylvania. The faux outrage over this is stupid.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 08:52     Subject: Biden Admin to Remove Statue of William Penn from Philadelphia Park
OP, they are seeking input about the proposal. Your post makes it sound like a done deal.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 08:44     Subject: Re:Biden Admin to Remove Statue of William Penn from Philadelphia Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Have you been to that "park"? (It's not really a park, it's a plaza between buildings) It's been in need of work by the National Park Service for years, and the addition of exhibits describing the importance of the location to both the native people and the Europeans who settled there is a good thing.

And about the statue - it's a small copy of the 37-foot statue of Penn which is on top of Philadelphia's City Hall building. So calm yourself, no one is being "canceled."

https://www.associationforpublicart.org/artwork/william-penn/

I knew there would some context that the hair on fire freak out conservatives weren’t aware of.


They really count on people not to look past their outraged, misleading headlines.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 08:40     Subject: Re:Biden Admin to Remove Statue of William Penn from Philadelphia Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Have you been to that "park"? (It's not really a park, it's a plaza between buildings) It's been in need of work by the National Park Service for years, and the addition of exhibits describing the importance of the location to both the native people and the Europeans who settled there is a good thing.

And about the statue - it's a small copy of the 37-foot statue of Penn which is on top of Philadelphia's City Hall building. So calm yourself, no one is being "canceled."

https://www.associationforpublicart.org/artwork/william-penn/


No. It’s the ONLY site in the city dedicated to the life and ideas of its founder.


According to PP:

So it turns out at least part of the site was land given by grandson John Penn to the Haudenosaunee "in perpetuity" for their diplomatic and trade delegations. This is based on both Quaker and Native American historical records.


As a Quaker, Penn would abhor having a site like this dedicated to himself. It’s not modest.


Sounds like the park is modest, isn't that the complaint? Too boring?


It isn’t the quality of the park he’d reject it’s the entire notion of having a park dedicated to him with his effigy in the middle of it. Have you ever been inside a Quaker meeting house? (That’s what they call their “churches”—since you seem unfamiliar with Quakerism.)


There's Quakers and then there's Quakers.

Anyway, he founded a state. That's inescapable, no matter how modest he might have wanted to be. Or how much some want to deny/downplay it.


No one’s denying that. No books are being burned or banned. Plenty to go read about. That’s a better way to honor him if that’s what you want to do.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 08:08     Subject: Biden Admin to Remove Statue of William Penn from Philadelphia Park
For those super concerned about learning more about William Penn, I’d encourage you to go visit his estate, which will be far more informative and interesting than staring at a statue.
https://www.visitpa.com/region/philadelphia-countryside/pennsbury-manor

And if you really want a statue, just look to the top of city hall. Depending on your point of view, it seems like Mr Penn is very pleased and excited about the state (not city) named in his honor. 🤪
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 08:00     Subject: Re:Biden Admin to Remove Statue of William Penn from Philadelphia Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Have you been to that "park"? (It's not really a park, it's a plaza between buildings) It's been in need of work by the National Park Service for years, and the addition of exhibits describing the importance of the location to both the native people and the Europeans who settled there is a good thing.

And about the statue - it's a small copy of the 37-foot statue of Penn which is on top of Philadelphia's City Hall building. So calm yourself, no one is being "canceled."

https://www.associationforpublicart.org/artwork/william-penn/


No. It’s the ONLY site in the city dedicated to the life and ideas of its founder.


According to PP:

So it turns out at least part of the site was land given by grandson John Penn to the Haudenosaunee "in perpetuity" for their diplomatic and trade delegations. This is based on both Quaker and Native American historical records.


As a Quaker, Penn would abhor having a site like this dedicated to himself. It’s not modest.


Sounds like the park is modest, isn't that the complaint? Too boring?


It isn’t the quality of the park he’d reject it’s the entire notion of having a park dedicated to him with his effigy in the middle of it. Have you ever been inside a Quaker meeting house? (That’s what they call their “churches”—since you seem unfamiliar with Quakerism.)


There's Quakers and then there's Quakers.

Anyway, he founded a state. That's inescapable, no matter how modest he might have wanted to be. Or how much some want to deny/downplay it.