Anonymous
11/29/2023 20:18
Subject: Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.
It's not brand new at all. It's perfectly safe. And you're spewing complete and utter bullshit and should be ashamed of yourself.
It's one thing to be ignorant. It's quite another to present your ignorance as some sort of credible or valid position.
Do you have any actual facts or are you just going to scream? the mRNA vax DOES cause myocarditis in some cases. It is not magic unicorn sparkles. Nobody has ever taken repeated mRNA vaccines for years. There is no magic forcefield around vaccines as a medical product. I mean, one covid vax (J&J) isn’t even in use anymore due to side effects.
Do you know what also causes myocaditis? Having Covid-19.
MRNA vaccines have been around for 30 years. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines#:~:text=There%27s%20a%20big%20gap%20between,tested%20in%20humans%20in%202013.
Stop spewing your delusional bullshit or you will be perceived as doing it intentionally.
mRNA vaccines have absolutely not been administered repeatedly to large populations for 30 years. that’s incorrect.
for younger men the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine is significant.
but anyway if you are so convinced in your “science”, please link to the paper that shows
a) risks over 10 years of repeated mRNA vaccination
b) efficacy and effectiveness of mRNA boosters *as compared to people with the original series and covid infection.* not compared to no vax/no infection.
The risk to young men who get COVID is way worse. But that requires logical reasoning skills.
For young men, the risk of myocarditis from the Moderna vaccine specifically is higher than the risk of myocarditis from covid itself.
Not true for young women, older men, older women, or any vaccine other than Moderna.
right, that’s acute myocarditis. we don’t know if there could be longer term or cumulative heart risks for other populations if they get an annual mRNA vax.
When the CDC references post-vaccine myocarditis, they often note that cases are generally mild and resolve fully. However, it is interesting to look at one follow-up study of 16 youths with resolved acute post-vaccine myocarditis. Despite the resolution of their acute cases, eleven participants still had a small amount of heart scarring at their 3-8 month follow-up. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35351530/ While the amount of scarring was small and the youths' cardiac function was normal, any amount of heart scarring in youth is undesirable as it could become a substrate for arrhythmia down the road that could be triggered by exercise. Continued follow-up study will be needed to see what the long-term effects (if any) are.
Anonymous
11/29/2023 20:13
Subject: Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually dying from covid anymore?
I just heard that COVID is the 4th leading cause of death in the U.S.
Anonymous
11/29/2023 19:37
Subject: Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
Anonymous wrote:See, I can kinda understand why you might decide the booster isn’t for you. What I can’t understand is why you have to get all angry and worked up about it. THAT’S what makes you a weirdo.
This might be the only post I've seen that I completely agree with.
Anonymous
11/29/2023 19:29
Subject: Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.
Yea and it causes autism too! 🙄
Yeah, that’s not helpful. The myocarditis causation is already established.
But the myocarditis risk from getting covid is significantly higher for those "same young men". That has been established. So get the Novavax if you are that concerned. But not getting the mRNA is also silly if you look at the data---your risk is significantly higher of heart issues from getting covid itself. Science and facts are amazing
DP. You're certainly right that the myocarditis risk is higher from covid itself than from the vaccine, but that doesn't really demonstrate value given that the vaccine doesn't prevent covid. Honest question: is there reasonably good data showing that the myocarditis risk from covid is lower after being vaccinated? And, given that nearly all of us have had covid already, is the myocarditis risk from infection lower after being vaccinated versus having a prior infection?
Anonymous
11/29/2023 12:09
Subject: Re:Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:US public health has totally screwed it up. The focus needs to be on the elderly, esp. those in nursing homes, since that's 90% of the deaths. But instead everything they put out is "ages 6 months and up", implying every age has the same level of risk.
Additionally adding in unsupported messaging, e.g., this will help prevent long covid, or outright untruths, "this will keep you from transmitting to Grandma" continues to turn people off to the vaccine.
Totally agree! I think if the recommendation was "it's important for XYZ groups to get her vaccine," those ppl would pay more attention.
Saying young kids should be on their 4th+ shot just sounds really silly.
+1. I have friends and family in the UK, Germany, Norway, and Japan. Annual boosters are recommended only for at-risk populations in ALL of those countries. The US recommendation really is the outlier and I have a hard time believing that all of those countries are wrong and we're right. Most likely, the actual science doesn't show a clear benefit, but also no clear risks, so countries with a more robust public health system can be more nuanced than in the US.
This is from Germany and is the most logical and concise explanation of the advice I've seen. I've had three rounds of COVID vaccines and it's been in our house three times (only once did the kids and I test positive during the initial Omicron wave). We all get our flu shots and I'm sure we have plenty of immune-boosting environmental exposure to COVID, but until there's clear enough evidence that makes everywhere else change their guidelines, I don't feel the need to put my needle-phobic kids and myself through more boosters.
Basic knowledge
Who is recommended a vaccination?
Since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, infection trends have changed greatly. At this point in time, it can be assumed that SARS-CoV-2 is transitioning to an endemic wave-like event. This means that while the virus will continue to circulate within the population, the milder disease progressions of Omicron virus variants and the high immunity within the population on account of vaccination and past infection have resulted in there now being significantly fewer instances of severe illness.
In contrast with earlier virus variants, infections with the Omicron variant also appear to result in fewer cases of long COVID. Furthermore, various studies indicate that full vaccination may provide a certain level of protection against long COVID (Useful information for patients and interested parties).
The Standing Committee on Vaccination (STIKO) has entered its COVID-19 vaccination recommendations in the immunisation schedule for recommended standard vaccinations. Healthy people aged between 18 and 59 years (including pregnant people) are recommended a basic immunisation as well as a booster to build up a basic immunity. It is important that the immune system is exposed to pathogen components (through vaccination) or the pathogen itself (through infection) three times. At least two such exposures should occur through vaccination.
Groups of people who are at increased risk are recommended an additional booster vaccination once a year. The vaccination should be administered with a variant-adapted vaccine and generally at least 12 months after the previous vaccination or infection. Preferably vaccinations should be administered in autumn, so that in case of growing infection rates, vulnerable people still have the best-possible protection in autumn and winter.
This applies to:
All people aged 60 or over
Residents of long-term care facilities
Anyone over the age of 6 months with an underlying condition
People of all ages with an increased infection risk on account of their occupation in medical or long-term care
Family members and close contacts of people for whom the COVID-19 vaccination is unlikely to produce a protective immune response
For people with an immune deficiency and a relevant limited immune response, additional vaccine doses in shorter intervals may be beneficial. Whether additional vaccine doses are needed is determined by the attending physician.
https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/en/coronavirus/faq-covid-19-vaccination
+1.
The US just pushes it on everyone, of all ages, to "simpilfy" the message. And well, to make sure the billions of taxpayer dollars spent on this new vaccine doesn't go to waste (spoiler alert: it will).
Anonymous
11/29/2023 12:06
Subject: Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:According to a British analysis, giving the booster to about a million people would prevent, on average, one death. That is, your risk of death from not getting the shot is about 1 in a million.
You also have about a 1 in a million risk from dying if you drive 200 miles.
I got a booster, because I think there are slight benefits, but the emphasis is on slight. People who are already vaxxed and decide not to get a booster are not idiots. (I do think people who refused a first vaccine are idiots.)
Sources:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-autumn-2023-vaccination-programme-jcvi-advice-26-may-2023/appendix-1-ukhsa-report-estimating-the-number-needed-to-vaccinate-to-prevent-covid-19-hospitalisation-for-booster-vaccination-in-autumn-2023-in-engla
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/deaths-by-transportation-mode/
Isn’t the latest shot considered a new Covid shot and not a booster. In other words that it’s a new and necessary vaccine instead of “boosting” historic protection?
Well, whatever you call it, this is the analysis of the effects of the latest shot. The reason that the benefits are a tiny fraction of the benefits of the first shot because people have existing immunity, from prior exposure and/or prior vaccines.
Anonymous
11/29/2023 11:55
Subject: Re:Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:US public health has totally screwed it up. The focus needs to be on the elderly, esp. those in nursing homes, since that's 90% of the deaths. But instead everything they put out is "ages 6 months and up", implying every age has the same level of risk.
Additionally adding in unsupported messaging, e.g., this will help prevent long covid, or outright untruths, "this will keep you from transmitting to Grandma" continues to turn people off to the vaccine.
Totally agree! I think if the recommendation was "it's important for XYZ groups to get her vaccine," those ppl would pay more attention.
Saying young kids should be on their 4th+ shot just sounds really silly.
+1. I have friends and family in the UK, Germany, Norway, and Japan. Annual boosters are recommended only for at-risk populations in ALL of those countries. The US recommendation really is the outlier and I have a hard time believing that all of those countries are wrong and we're right. Most likely, the actual science doesn't show a clear benefit, but also no clear risks, so countries with a more robust public health system can be more nuanced than in the US.
This is from Germany and is the most logical and concise explanation of the advice I've seen. I've had three rounds of COVID vaccines and it's been in our house three times (only once did the kids and I test positive during the initial Omicron wave). We all get our flu shots and I'm sure we have plenty of immune-boosting environmental exposure to COVID, but until there's clear enough evidence that makes everywhere else change their guidelines, I don't feel the need to put my needle-phobic kids and myself through more boosters.
Basic knowledge
Who is recommended a vaccination?
Since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, infection trends have changed greatly. At this point in time, it can be assumed that SARS-CoV-2 is transitioning to an endemic wave-like event. This means that while the virus will continue to circulate within the population, the milder disease progressions of Omicron virus variants and the high immunity within the population on account of vaccination and past infection have resulted in there now being significantly fewer instances of severe illness.
In contrast with earlier virus variants, infections with the Omicron variant also appear to result in fewer cases of long COVID. Furthermore, various studies indicate that full vaccination may provide a certain level of protection against long COVID (Useful information for patients and interested parties).
The Standing Committee on Vaccination (STIKO) has entered its COVID-19 vaccination recommendations in the immunisation schedule for recommended standard vaccinations. Healthy people aged between 18 and 59 years (including pregnant people) are recommended a basic immunisation as well as a booster to build up a basic immunity. It is important that the immune system is exposed to pathogen components (through vaccination) or the pathogen itself (through infection) three times. At least two such exposures should occur through vaccination.
Groups of people who are at increased risk are recommended an additional booster vaccination once a year. The vaccination should be administered with a variant-adapted vaccine and generally at least 12 months after the previous vaccination or infection. Preferably vaccinations should be administered in autumn, so that in case of growing infection rates, vulnerable people still have the best-possible protection in autumn and winter.
This applies to:
All people aged 60 or over
Residents of long-term care facilities
Anyone over the age of 6 months with an underlying condition
People of all ages with an increased infection risk on account of their occupation in medical or long-term care
Family members and close contacts of people for whom the COVID-19 vaccination is unlikely to produce a protective immune response
For people with an immune deficiency and a relevant limited immune response, additional vaccine doses in shorter intervals may be beneficial. Whether additional vaccine doses are needed is determined by the attending physician.
https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/en/coronavirus/faq-covid-19-vaccination
Anonymous
11/29/2023 11:36
Subject: Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.
It's not brand new at all. It's perfectly safe. And you're spewing complete and utter bullshit and should be ashamed of yourself.
It's one thing to be ignorant. It's quite another to present your ignorance as some sort of credible or valid position.
Do you have any actual facts or are you just going to scream? the mRNA vax DOES cause myocarditis in some cases. It is not magic unicorn sparkles. Nobody has ever taken repeated mRNA vaccines for years. There is no magic forcefield around vaccines as a medical product. I mean, one covid vax (J&J) isn’t even in use anymore due to side effects.
Do you know what also causes myocaditis? Having Covid-19.
MRNA vaccines have been around for 30 years. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines#:~:text=There%27s%20a%20big%20gap%20between,tested%20in%20humans%20in%202013.
Stop spewing your delusional bullshit or you will be perceived as doing it intentionally.
mRNA vaccines have absolutely not been administered repeatedly to large populations for 30 years. that’s incorrect.
for younger men the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine is significant.
but anyway if you are so convinced in your “science”, please link to the paper that shows
a) risks over 10 years of repeated mRNA vaccination
b) efficacy and effectiveness of mRNA boosters *as compared to people with the original series and covid infection.* not compared to no vax/no infection.
The risk to young men who get COVID is way worse. But that requires logical reasoning skills.
For young men, the risk of myocarditis from the Moderna vaccine specifically is higher than the risk of myocarditis from covid itself.
Not true for young women, older men, older women, or any vaccine other than Moderna.
right, that’s acute myocarditis. we don’t know if there could be longer term or cumulative heart risks for other populations if they get an annual mRNA vax.
Yes, this exactly. There have been a few studies in Thailand and Switzerland where they actively monitored recipients of mRNA vaccines before/after receipt. The Swiss study found that 1 in 35 persons had mild myocardial injury from one mRNA vaccine as evidenced by high troponin levels post-vaccination. The injuries were transient and no case rose to the full level of a myocarditis diagnosis, although two participants with chest pain were deemed to have probable myocarditis. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/ejhf.2978 However, as you note, we have no idea what risks these mild cardiac injuries might pose, particularly if combined with subsequent stressors like future covid/other illnesses and/or additional covid vaccines.
Anonymous
11/29/2023 11:24
Subject: Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.
It's not brand new at all. It's perfectly safe. And you're spewing complete and utter bullshit and should be ashamed of yourself.
It's one thing to be ignorant. It's quite another to present your ignorance as some sort of credible or valid position.
Do you have any actual facts or are you just going to scream? the mRNA vax DOES cause myocarditis in some cases. It is not magic unicorn sparkles. Nobody has ever taken repeated mRNA vaccines for years. There is no magic forcefield around vaccines as a medical product. I mean, one covid vax (J&J) isn’t even in use anymore due to side effects.
Do you know what also causes myocaditis? Having Covid-19.
MRNA vaccines have been around for 30 years. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines#:~:text=There%27s%20a%20big%20gap%20between,tested%20in%20humans%20in%202013.
Stop spewing your delusional bullshit or you will be perceived as doing it intentionally.
mRNA vaccines have absolutely not been administered repeatedly to large populations for 30 years. that’s incorrect.
for younger men the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine is significant.
but anyway if you are so convinced in your “science”, please link to the paper that shows
a) risks over 10 years of repeated mRNA vaccination
b) efficacy and effectiveness of mRNA boosters *as compared to people with the original series and covid infection.* not compared to no vax/no infection.
The risk to young men who get COVID is way worse. But that requires logical reasoning skills.
For young men, the risk of myocarditis from the Moderna vaccine specifically is higher than the risk of myocarditis from covid itself.
Not true for young women, older men, older women, or any vaccine other than Moderna.
DP Agree that young men face an elevated risk. The picture is even starker for all ages if you look at actual hospitalization data. In the Nordic nations and the UK, there have been 3x to 5x as many hospital admissions for covid vaccine-related myocarditis for all ages as from covid-related myocardititis; 10x for young males in Nordic nations.
Anonymous
11/29/2023 11:14
Subject: Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.
Yea and it causes autism too! 🙄
I think medical doctors say this isn't accurate.
Duh. I was being sarcastic. See the eye roll?
Anonymous
11/29/2023 11:13
Subject: Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.
It's not brand new at all. It's perfectly safe. And you're spewing complete and utter bullshit and should be ashamed of yourself.
It's one thing to be ignorant. It's quite another to present your ignorance as some sort of credible or valid position.
Do you have any actual facts or are you just going to scream? the mRNA vax DOES cause myocarditis in some cases. It is not magic unicorn sparkles. Nobody has ever taken repeated mRNA vaccines for years. There is no magic forcefield around vaccines as a medical product. I mean, one covid vax (J&J) isn’t even in use anymore due to side effects.
Do you know what also causes myocaditis? Having Covid-19.
MRNA vaccines have been around for 30 years. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines#:~:text=There%27s%20a%20big%20gap%20between,tested%20in%20humans%20in%202013.
Stop spewing your delusional bullshit or you will be perceived as doing it intentionally.
mRNA vaccines have absolutely not been administered repeatedly to large populations for 30 years. that’s incorrect.
for younger men the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine is significant.
but anyway if you are so convinced in your “science”, please link to the paper that shows
a) risks over 10 years of repeated mRNA vaccination
b) efficacy and effectiveness of mRNA boosters *as compared to people with the original series and covid infection.* not compared to no vax/no infection.
The risk to young men who get COVID is way worse. But that requires logical reasoning skills.
For young men, the risk of myocarditis from the Moderna vaccine specifically is higher than the risk of myocarditis from covid itself.
Not true for young women, older men, older women, or any vaccine other than Moderna.
right, that’s acute myocarditis. we don’t know if there could be longer term or cumulative heart risks for other populations if they get an annual mRNA vax.
Anonymous
11/29/2023 11:11
Subject: Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People are so dumb. Wake up.
Covid is seriously messing with our immune systems and you need to do all you can to protect yourself and your families
I haven't been sick since omicron in January 2022. I travel, live with preschoolers, never wear a mask, and wash my hands less than most (in recovery from OCD). Tell me again how my immune system is messed with?
So you are one of the lucky ones. But for millions others, they have messed up their immune systems immensely and will get to live with that for a long time. I know many people with long covid, so just because you got lucky doesn't mean it's not a thing.
Millions? Really? Cite, please.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db480.htm
Yeah, no.
Anonymous
11/29/2023 11:08
Subject: Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.
It's not brand new at all. It's perfectly safe. And you're spewing complete and utter bullshit and should be ashamed of yourself.
It's one thing to be ignorant. It's quite another to present your ignorance as some sort of credible or valid position.
Do you have any actual facts or are you just going to scream? the mRNA vax DOES cause myocarditis in some cases. It is not magic unicorn sparkles. Nobody has ever taken repeated mRNA vaccines for years. There is no magic forcefield around vaccines as a medical product. I mean, one covid vax (J&J) isn’t even in use anymore due to side effects.
Do you know what also causes myocaditis? Having Covid-19.
MRNA vaccines have been around for 30 years. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines#:~:text=There%27s%20a%20big%20gap%20between,tested%20in%20humans%20in%202013.
Stop spewing your delusional bullshit or you will be perceived as doing it intentionally.
mRNA vaccines have absolutely not been administered repeatedly to large populations for 30 years. that’s incorrect.
for younger men the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine is significant.
but anyway if you are so convinced in your “science”, please link to the paper that shows
a) risks over 10 years of repeated mRNA vaccination
b) efficacy and effectiveness of mRNA boosters *as compared to people with the original series and covid infection.* not compared to no vax/no infection.
DP Yes, agree with your earlier points. And from Pfizer's own product disclosures:
"Authorized or approved mRNA COVID-19 vaccines show increased risks of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart), particularly within the first week following vaccination. For COMIRNATY, the observed risk is highest in males 12 through 17 years of age. Seek medical attention right away if you have any of the following symptoms after receiving the vaccine, particularly during the 2 weeks after receiving a dose of the vaccine: chest pain, shortness of breath, feelings of having a fast-beating, fluttering, or pounding heart. Additional symptoms, particularly in children, may include: Fainting, Unusual and persistent fatigue or lack of energy, Persistent vomiting, Persistent pain in the abdomen, Unusual and persistent cool, pale skin " https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-amends-us-government-paxlovid-supply-agreement-and
Anonymous
11/29/2023 10:53
Subject: Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.
Yea and it causes autism too! 🙄
Yeah, that’s not helpful. The myocarditis causation is already established.
But the myocarditis risk from getting covid is significantly higher for those "same young men". That has been established. So get the Novavax if you are that concerned. But not getting the mRNA is also silly if you look at the data---your risk is significantly higher of heart issues from getting covid itself. Science and facts are amazing
Science and facts for you:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35993236/
"In men younger than 40 years old, the number of excess myocarditis events per million people was higher after a second dose of mRNA-1273 than after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test (97 [95% CI, 91-99] versus 16 [95% CI, 12-18]). "
Anonymous
11/29/2023 10:50
Subject: Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.
It's not brand new at all. It's perfectly safe. And you're spewing complete and utter bullshit and should be ashamed of yourself.
It's one thing to be ignorant. It's quite another to present your ignorance as some sort of credible or valid position.
Do you have any actual facts or are you just going to scream? the mRNA vax DOES cause myocarditis in some cases. It is not magic unicorn sparkles. Nobody has ever taken repeated mRNA vaccines for years. There is no magic forcefield around vaccines as a medical product. I mean, one covid vax (J&J) isn’t even in use anymore due to side effects.
Do you know what also causes myocaditis? Having Covid-19.
MRNA vaccines have been around for 30 years. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines#:~:text=There%27s%20a%20big%20gap%20between,tested%20in%20humans%20in%202013.
Stop spewing your delusional bullshit or you will be perceived as doing it intentionally.
mRNA vaccines have absolutely not been administered repeatedly to large populations for 30 years. that’s incorrect.
for younger men the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine is significant.
but anyway if you are so convinced in your “science”, please link to the paper that shows
a) risks over 10 years of repeated mRNA vaccination
b) efficacy and effectiveness of mRNA boosters *as compared to people with the original series and covid infection.* not compared to no vax/no infection.
The risk to young men who get COVID is way worse. But that requires logical reasoning skills.
For young men, the risk of myocarditis from the Moderna vaccine specifically is higher than the risk of myocarditis from covid itself.
Not true for young women, older men, older women, or any vaccine other than Moderna.