Anonymous wrote:A poster asked for examples and got some, so now let’s move the goalposts, right? This is the only qualifying criteria for a RL team in a match up with a NL team:

- only Northern VA
- no U19s
- 2023 results only
- no RL teams playing “too defensively”
- no RL teams that have lost to another NL team

What else?? Girls only? No guest players? No games played in rain? Im sure we need more qualifiers, lest someone else find an example of a RL team somehow doing something against an NL team.

Girls and Boys are two different subjects completely. I was under the impression we were talking girls only. Complete transparency, I don’t know anything about the boys side of the debate.

Your biggest tell is how kids from leagues go to D1 schools. Pretty sure we know how that stat turns out right? Oh and don’t tell me college coaches don’t know what they are looking at coming from parenting maybe a couple of kids playing soccer. That’s narcissistic and foolish.

/Girls Debate

Boys carry on

Anonymous wrote:A poster asked for examples and got some, so now let’s move the goalposts, right? This is the only qualifying criteria for a RL team in a match up with a NL team:

- only Northern VA
- no U19s
- 2023 results only
- no RL teams playing “too defensively”
- no RL teams that have lost to another NL team

What else?? Girls only? No guest players? No games played in rain? Im sure we need more qualifiers, lest someone else find an example of a RL team somehow doing something against an NL team.

+1

also the comparison is not fair because the nl teams practice more and are worn out by the commutes, additional work, and pressure to constantly compete for roster spot - it is really unfair to compare add in the rl teams are more rested from less travelling, have more fun, less pressure, and a chip on their shoulder - so you can see NL teams should just be spotted 2 goals

A poster asked for examples and got some, so now let’s move the goalposts, right? This is the only qualifying criteria for a RL team in a match up with a NL team:

- only Northern VA
- no U19s
- 2023 results only
- no RL teams playing “too defensively”
- no RL teams that have lost to another NL team

What else?? Girls only? No guest players? No games played in rain? Im sure we need more qualifiers, lest someone else find an example of a RL team somehow doing something against an NL team.

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Anonymous wrote:Valor GFR top teams are 2nd tier teams statewide. Parents on those teams don’t know it, as they have only ever been on the top team winning local tournaments.

except when RL teams beat ECNL teams then it sure does get confusing

You rarely get to see RL teams matched up against ECNL teams. They know it's a bad look for that to happen and those matches are few and far between.

When has that happened?

It's always happened. Tournament directors and clubs scheduling aren't stupid. Teams have dodged other teams that aren't in the same league but may be equally as strong forever. It's the same reason clubs in areas with a lot strong teams go elsewhere for tournaments rather than play locally. You lose locally, you lose customers.

Ummm, no. Tournament directors try to keep things competitive. RL teams are not competitive with ECNL teams unless you are talking about the bottom of the teams. I think most would expect Top RL teams to be competitive in that scenario.

Please, by all means, give A FEW examples of any RL team beating a top half ECNL team without citing forfeits or Solar. I’ll be waiting right here …for a long time.

You can do your own lookups.
There are many examples. I will not post here simply because identifying specific nl or rl teams leads to disparagement of them. Look it up yourself. The difference is not that great if at all

I don’t have to look since I already follow closely.

Depends on the RL vs NL matchup. I agree that top RL teams can compete with bottom NL teams but that is it, especially in our region. The only exceptions are maybe the top 5 RL teams in the US, Solar, DKSC, Blues and a couple randoms.

In the past year this is the record of RL vs NL teams in our area:

11s - Zero
10s - Zero
09s - One (GFR over last place Riverhounds NL)
08s - Zero
07s - Zero

Counted roughly 22 matchups RL vs NL. Four were two ties. All wins and ties came against bottom of the table ECNL teams.

Summary RL vs. NL
2-16-4

Now you know why tournament coordinators don’t schedule RL vs NL very often. That isn’t very competitive. Don’t shoot the messenger.

Bethesda Cup alone had 4 boys rl wins v nl and 3 girls
clearly nl teams as a rule are selected via competitive tryouts so are deeper in talent and athleticism typically
athletes develop, coachs are an x factor, how a team plays as a team v a collection of individuals matters
it is all pretty meaningless

probably should have added rl teams probably lost more to nl than they won at Bethesda just didnt bother looking

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Anonymous wrote:Valor GFR top teams are 2nd tier teams statewide. Parents on those teams don’t know it, as they have only ever been on the top team winning local tournaments.

except when RL teams beat ECNL teams then it sure does get confusing

You rarely get to see RL teams matched up against ECNL teams. They know it's a bad look for that to happen and those matches are few and far between.

When has that happened?

It's always happened. Tournament directors and clubs scheduling aren't stupid. Teams have dodged other teams that aren't in the same league but may be equally as strong forever. It's the same reason clubs in areas with a lot strong teams go elsewhere for tournaments rather than play locally. You lose locally, you lose customers.

Ummm, no. Tournament directors try to keep things competitive. RL teams are not competitive with ECNL teams unless you are talking about the bottom of the teams. I think most would expect Top RL teams to be competitive in that scenario.

Please, by all means, give A FEW examples of any RL team beating a top half ECNL team without citing forfeits or Solar. I’ll be waiting right here …for a long time.

You can do your own lookups.
There are many examples. I will not post here simply because identifying specific nl or rl teams leads to disparagement of them. Look it up yourself. The difference is not that great if at all

I don’t have to look since I already follow closely.

Depends on the RL vs NL matchup. I agree that top RL teams can compete with bottom NL teams but that is it, especially in our region. The only exceptions are maybe the top 5 RL teams in the US, Solar, DKSC, Blues and a couple randoms.

In the past year this is the record of RL vs NL teams in our area:

11s - Zero
10s - Zero
09s - One (GFR over last place Riverhounds NL)
08s - Zero
07s - Zero

Counted roughly 22 matchups RL vs NL. Four were two ties. All wins and ties came against bottom of the table ECNL teams.

Summary RL vs. NL
2-16-4

Now you know why tournament coordinators don’t schedule RL vs NL very often. That isn’t very competitive. Don’t shoot the messenger.

Bethesda Cup alone had 4 boys rl wins v nl and 3 girls
clearly nl teams as a rule are selected via competitive tryouts so are deeper in talent and athleticism typically
athletes develop, coachs are an x factor, how a team plays as a team v a collection of individuals matters
it is all pretty meaningless

Anonymous wrote:BRAVE 08 (3rd Place in MA) beat Arlington RL (2nd place in VA North) 2-1 at WAGS. It’s not like top RL teams are getting run off the pitch in most circumstances.

Taking one result and using that as an example will never paint a full picture.

I don’t think top RL teams would get run off the field. I actually think top RL teams could finish mid-table or lower if in NL. Outside of the top one or two teams, it is a steep drop off and most teams would be at the very bottom of NL. That Arlington 08 RL team also lost 2-0 to the 08 Union NL team in the past year.

Anonymous wrote:Great Falls 2010 (RL) beat Brave (NL) at Bethesda Cup.

In 2022???

Anonymous wrote:U19 Bethesda RL beat Pitt Riverhounds at Bethesda.

Nobody looks at U19, lol!

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Anonymous wrote:Valor GFR top teams are 2nd tier teams statewide. Parents on those teams don’t know it, as they have only ever been on the top team winning local tournaments.

except when RL teams beat ECNL teams then it sure does get confusing

You rarely get to see RL teams matched up against ECNL teams. They know it's a bad look for that to happen and those matches are few and far between.

When has that happened?

It's always happened. Tournament directors and clubs scheduling aren't stupid. Teams have dodged other teams that aren't in the same league but may be equally as strong forever. It's the same reason clubs in areas with a lot strong teams go elsewhere for tournaments rather than play locally. You lose locally, you lose customers.

Ummm, no. Tournament directors try to keep things competitive. RL teams are not competitive with ECNL teams unless you are talking about the bottom of the teams. I think most would expect Top RL teams to be competitive in that scenario.

Please, by all means, give A FEW examples of any RL team beating a top half ECNL team without citing forfeits or Solar. I’ll be waiting right here …for a long time.

You can do your own lookups.
There are many examples. I will not post here simply because identifying specific nl or rl teams leads to disparagement of them. Look it up yourself. The difference is not that great if at all

I don’t have to look since I already follow closely.

Depends on the RL vs NL matchup. I agree that top RL teams can compete with bottom NL teams but that is it, especially in our region. The only exceptions are maybe the top 5 RL teams in the US, Solar, DKSC, Blues and a couple randoms.

In the past year this is the record of RL vs NL teams in our area:

11s - Zero
10s - Zero
09s - One (GFR over last place Riverhounds NL)
08s - Zero
07s - Zero

Counted roughly 22 matchups RL vs NL. Four were two ties. All wins and ties came against bottom of the table ECNL teams.

Summary RL vs. NL
2-16-4

Now you know why tournament coordinators don’t schedule RL vs NL very often. That isn’t very competitive. Don’t shoot the messenger.

coaches can shift to very defensive tactics when playing more talented teams to keep the score low. sometimes you can score off a PK, corner, or counterattack and win the game even if it's ugly and just bunker in with 9 field players and leave the fastest player up. It's possible to beat a better team that way.

BRAVE 08 (3rd Place in MA) beat Arlington RL (2nd place in VA North) 2-1 at WAGS. It’s not like top RL teams are getting run off the pitch in most circumstances.

U19 Bethesda RL beat Pitt Riverhounds at Bethesda.

Great Falls 2010 (RL) beat Brave (NL) at Bethesda Cup.

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Anonymous wrote:Valor GFR top teams are 2nd tier teams statewide. Parents on those teams don’t know it, as they have only ever been on the top team winning local tournaments.

except when RL teams beat ECNL teams then it sure does get confusing

You rarely get to see RL teams matched up against ECNL teams. They know it's a bad look for that to happen and those matches are few and far between.

When has that happened?

It's always happened. Tournament directors and clubs scheduling aren't stupid. Teams have dodged other teams that aren't in the same league but may be equally as strong forever. It's the same reason clubs in areas with a lot strong teams go elsewhere for tournaments rather than play locally. You lose locally, you lose customers.

Ummm, no. Tournament directors try to keep things competitive. RL teams are not competitive with ECNL teams unless you are talking about the bottom of the teams. I think most would expect Top RL teams to be competitive in that scenario.

Please, by all means, give A FEW examples of any RL team beating a top half ECNL team without citing forfeits or Solar. I’ll be waiting right here …for a long time.

You can do your own lookups.
There are many examples. I will not post here simply because identifying specific nl or rl teams leads to disparagement of them. Look it up yourself. The difference is not that great if at all

So, no examples. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Valor GFR top teams are 2nd tier teams statewide. Parents on those teams don’t know it, as they have only ever been on the top team winning local tournaments.

except when RL teams beat ECNL teams then it sure does get confusing

You rarely get to see RL teams matched up against ECNL teams. They know it's a bad look for that to happen and those matches are few and far between.

When has that happened?

It's always happened. Tournament directors and clubs scheduling aren't stupid. Teams have dodged other teams that aren't in the same league but may be equally as strong forever. It's the same reason clubs in areas with a lot strong teams go elsewhere for tournaments rather than play locally. You lose locally, you lose customers.

Ummm, no. Tournament directors try to keep things competitive. RL teams are not competitive with ECNL teams unless you are talking about the bottom of the teams. I think most would expect Top RL teams to be competitive in that scenario.

Please, by all means, give A FEW examples of any RL team beating a top half ECNL team without citing forfeits or Solar. I’ll be waiting right here …for a long time.

You can do your own lookups.
There are many examples. I will not post here simply because identifying specific nl or rl teams leads to disparagement of them. Look it up yourself. The difference is not that great if at all