Anonymous
12/11/2023 22:39
Subject: What Winter Championship meets do you like and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why the NCAP hate? It’s not our club, but it seems a little over the top?
Honestly, because they are good and so the parents of the kids at mediocre clubs are bitter.
🤣
It’s kind of a tell when a poster ends their post hating on NCAP saying something like it’s too high pressure for my swimmer, but it works for some people.
I wasn't the PP, and I don't hate NCAP-- but where I do get frustrated with the team on occasion is when people start chest-thumping and claiming NCAP itself is creating all these fantastic athletes. If you look at all the points scorers from last weekend at least half on the girls' side were swimming (and swimming well) for other teams at 12, 13, or even 14+. They are a superteam because they draw talent from other teams-- and that's fine, but own that.
Here’s the thing, if you have a kid who is an exceptional athlete and they have chosen swim as their preferred sport, there are only a few clubs that can help them maximize that. I would not say the original club made that kid a great swimmer, their athleticism determined that. But a club like NCAP, RMSC, Machine can maximize that potential with the level of training and the training cohort available. An exceptional swimmer who started at a mediocre club cannot reach their maximum potential risk if they are not training with a competitive cohort.
This is a genuine question. As a parent of a high-performing swimmer (subjective, but at least A or AAs or higher in all events) that does not swim for one of these 3 clubs, I'd love to understand the "level of training" these clubs offer that differs from other clubs (aside from training with a competitive cohort). Again, this is not sarcastic. My swimmer seems content with their coach and level of challenge, but I acknowledge that there are no bells and whistles. It's four days/week for age 12, pool only, and just intentional yardage and sets with standard-issue individual equipment. My swimmer continues to improve (as expected at this age), but I wonder what these destination clubs that churn out top-ranked swimmers are doing differently to achieve what you stated is a higher level of training. It sounds like it's more than volume of swimmers and strong swimmers moving in due to reputation. Is it quality of coaching? Equipment? Intensity/diversity/frequency of training? Wondering if I need to consider a move... thanks!
I’ll give this a crack. My swimmer is with one of the known clubs. They are 11 and are A/AA in their best events and BB in their weaker events, so likely AA/AAA (maybe a chance at a AAAA) in strong events and A in weak events next year at the top of the age group. They have improved tremendously as they have started to train with other elite level kids. The intervals and the yardage at practice are often determined by the lowest common denominator. If you are an A/AA swimmer, only training with a cohort of BB swimmers is not maximizing your potential. My swimmer has benefitted by being pushed by stronger, older swimmers. Some of this also depends on your swimmer’s motivation. If your kid isn’t committed, none of that matters. My kid loves swimming, the good, the bad and the ugly.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 21:59
Subject: What Winter Championship meets do you like and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why the NCAP hate? It’s not our club, but it seems a little over the top?
Honestly, because they are good and so the parents of the kids at mediocre clubs are bitter.
🤣
It’s kind of a tell when a poster ends their post hating on NCAP saying something like it’s too high pressure for my swimmer, but it works for some people.
I wasn't the PP, and I don't hate NCAP-- but where I do get frustrated with the team on occasion is when people start chest-thumping and claiming NCAP itself is creating all these fantastic athletes. If you look at all the points scorers from last weekend at least half on the girls' side were swimming (and swimming well) for other teams at 12, 13, or even 14+. They are a superteam because they draw talent from other teams-- and that's fine, but own that.
Here’s the thing, if you have a kid who is an exceptional athlete and they have chosen swim as their preferred sport, there are only a few clubs that can help them maximize that. I would not say the original club made that kid a great swimmer, their athleticism determined that. But a club like NCAP, RMSC, Machine can maximize that potential with the level of training and the training cohort available. An exceptional swimmer who started at a mediocre club cannot reach their maximum potential risk if they are not training with a competitive cohort.
This is a genuine question. As a parent of a high-performing swimmer (subjective, but at least A or AAs or higher in all events) that does not swim for one of these 3 clubs, I'd love to understand the "level of training" these clubs offer that differs from other clubs (aside from training with a competitive cohort). Again, this is not sarcastic. My swimmer seems content with their coach and level of challenge, but I acknowledge that there are no bells and whistles. It's four days/week for age 12, pool only, and just intentional yardage and sets with standard-issue individual equipment. My swimmer continues to improve (as expected at this age), but I wonder what these destination clubs that churn out top-ranked swimmers are doing differently to achieve what you stated is a higher level of training. It sounds like it's more than volume of swimmers and strong swimmers moving in due to reputation. Is it quality of coaching? Equipment? Intensity/diversity/frequency of training? Wondering if I need to consider a move... thanks!
Anonymous
12/11/2023 20:52
Subject: What Winter Championship meets do you like and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why the NCAP hate? It’s not our club, but it seems a little over the top?
Honestly, because they are good and so the parents of the kids at mediocre clubs are bitter.
🤣
It’s kind of a tell when a poster ends their post hating on NCAP saying something like it’s too high pressure for my swimmer, but it works for some people.
I wasn't the PP, and I don't hate NCAP-- but where I do get frustrated with the team on occasion is when people start chest-thumping and claiming NCAP itself is creating all these fantastic athletes. If you look at all the points scorers from last weekend at least half on the girls' side were swimming (and swimming well) for other teams at 12, 13, or even 14+. They are a superteam because they draw talent from other teams-- and that's fine, but own that.
Here’s the thing, if you have a kid who is an exceptional athlete and they have chosen swim as their preferred sport, there are only a few clubs that can help them maximize that. I would not say the original club made that kid a great swimmer, their athleticism determined that. But a club like NCAP, RMSC, Machine can maximize that potential with the level of training and the training cohort available. An exceptional swimmer who started at a mediocre club cannot reach their maximum potential risk if they are not training with a competitive cohort.
PP here, I don’t know how the word risk got in there.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 20:50
Subject: What Winter Championship meets do you like and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why the NCAP hate? It’s not our club, but it seems a little over the top?
Honestly, because they are good and so the parents of the kids at mediocre clubs are bitter.
🤣
It’s kind of a tell when a poster ends their post hating on NCAP saying something like it’s too high pressure for my swimmer, but it works for some people.
I wasn't the PP, and I don't hate NCAP-- but where I do get frustrated with the team on occasion is when people start chest-thumping and claiming NCAP itself is creating all these fantastic athletes. If you look at all the points scorers from last weekend at least half on the girls' side were swimming (and swimming well) for other teams at 12, 13, or even 14+. They are a superteam because they draw talent from other teams-- and that's fine, but own that.
Here’s the thing, if you have a kid who is an exceptional athlete and they have chosen swim as their preferred sport, there are only a few clubs that can help them maximize that. I would not say the original club made that kid a great swimmer, their athleticism determined that. But a club like NCAP, RMSC, Machine can maximize that potential with the level of training and the training cohort available. An exceptional swimmer who started at a mediocre club cannot reach their maximum potential risk if they are not training with a competitive cohort.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 19:59
Subject: What Winter Championship meets do you like and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why the NCAP hate? It’s not our club, but it seems a little over the top?
Honestly, because they are good and so the parents of the kids at mediocre clubs are bitter.
🤣
It’s kind of a tell when a poster ends their post hating on NCAP saying something like it’s too high pressure for my swimmer, but it works for some people.
I wasn't the PP, and I don't hate NCAP-- but where I do get frustrated with the team on occasion is when people start chest-thumping and claiming NCAP itself is creating all these fantastic athletes. If you look at all the points scorers from last weekend at least half on the girls' side were swimming (and swimming well) for other teams at 12, 13, or even 14+. They are a superteam because they draw talent from other teams-- and that's fine, but own that.
Good try…
I perused meet mobile for all their open girls that scored this weekend and only 5 of the first 20 weren’t on NCAP yet at the age of 12 (two of those were out of state swimmers prior to joining NCAP) so clearly nowhere near “at least half” were swimming for other teams at 12,13, or even 14+.
I actually did the search with meet mobile. I'm not going to name children on the internet, but it's absolutely true. I was only looking at 13 and older.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 19:59
Subject: What Winter Championship meets do you like and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why the NCAP hate? It’s not our club, but it seems a little over the top?
Honestly, because they are good and so the parents of the kids at mediocre clubs are bitter.
🤣
It’s kind of a tell when a poster ends their post hating on NCAP saying something like it’s too high pressure for my swimmer, but it works for some people.
I wasn't the PP, and I don't hate NCAP-- but where I do get frustrated with the team on occasion is when people start chest-thumping and claiming NCAP itself is creating all these fantastic athletes. If you look at all the points scorers from last weekend at least half on the girls' side were swimming (and swimming well) for other teams at 12, 13, or even 14+. They are a superteam because they draw talent from other teams-- and that's fine, but own that.
Also to add to what I said above, Machine is the only other PVS team to have girls score in the open category and they had 6 so whether they got half from other teams or not they still developed more Open points scorers than any other Potomac Valley Team did
Anonymous
12/11/2023 19:50
Subject: What Winter Championship meets do you like and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why the NCAP hate? It’s not our club, but it seems a little over the top?
Honestly, because they are good and so the parents of the kids at mediocre clubs are bitter.
🤣
It’s kind of a tell when a poster ends their post hating on NCAP saying something like it’s too high pressure for my swimmer, but it works for some people.
I wasn't the PP, and I don't hate NCAP-- but where I do get frustrated with the team on occasion is when people start chest-thumping and claiming NCAP itself is creating all these fantastic athletes. If you look at all the points scorers from last weekend at least half on the girls' side were swimming (and swimming well) for other teams at 12, 13, or even 14+. They are a superteam because they draw talent from other teams-- and that's fine, but own that.
Good try…
I perused meet mobile for all their open girls that scored this weekend and only 5 of the first 20 weren’t on NCAP yet at the age of 12 (two of those were out of state swimmers prior to joining NCAP) so clearly nowhere near “at least half” were swimming for other teams at 12,13, or even 14+.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 19:14
Subject: What Winter Championship meets do you like and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why the NCAP hate? It’s not our club, but it seems a little over the top?
Honestly, because they are good and so the parents of the kids at mediocre clubs are bitter.
🤣
It’s kind of a tell when a poster ends their post hating on NCAP saying something like it’s too high pressure for my swimmer, but it works for some people.
I wasn't the PP, and I don't hate NCAP-- but where I do get frustrated with the team on occasion is when people start chest-thumping and claiming NCAP itself is creating all these fantastic athletes. If you look at all the points scorers from last weekend at least half on the girls' side were swimming (and swimming well) for other teams at 12, 13, or even 14+. They are a superteam because they draw talent from other teams-- and that's fine, but own that.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 18:51
Subject: Re:What Winter Championship meets do you like and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NCap Imvite: Worst time of year. Everyone is tired and sick. Not as fun as Turkey Clause.
Yes, it’s a fast meet.
Appalling, unsportsmanlike behavior during the Men’s 100 free final last night from an NCap swimmer. Disgusting.
It’s not as fun as Turkey Claus because it’s a more competitive meet. It’s the nature of the beast, like any club sport being less fun than rec.
What was so appalling and disgusting at the men’s 100 free final?
please tell........
In the A final all the swimmers were ready and at their blocks ready to step up. Except one of the NCap swimmers.
He stood around, still dressed. They all waited for him. He took a really long time- all the swimmers and officials (and crowd) were watching him. When he finally got undressed, instead of going to the block, he stood behind it, slapping his chest multiple times, again, with everyone watching him. At this point, the swimmers had all been at their blocks ready to go for at least three minutes.
To say that is was unsportsmanlike is an understatement.
Also, if you are going to do that, you better win (he didn't).
Disgusting.
It sounds like the blocks would not adjust correctly and so he was busy doing that while everyone else was getting ready. So I don’t think it qualifies as “disgusting”. I do think they should not have waiting that long for him and he was clearly taking an obnoxiously long time. I didn’t see it though.
Incorrect. He quite obviously was making everyone wait. I agree the refs should have DQd him but his bravado was disgusting and a poor reflection of the club ethos
+1 totally on the ref to start the race and not wait for him.
I agree - I am really surprised ref didn’t start race if it was truly 3 minute delay while other kids were on blocks ready to race. Sort of on the adults to keep the meet moving. Teenagers will have bad judgment. My guess is a whistle (and possibly missed race) would correct the behavior.
I wish someone else that was there would weigh in. Sunday was the only night of finals my swimmer wasn’t there, but based on Friday and Saturday the pace is much slower than prelims. The kids in the A final walk out and are individually announced, and there is music playing for the walkout. Kids came out with headphones, parkas, pants, etc. that they took off and put behind the blocks and then did their warm up jumps, splashed water on themselves, whatever. To be honest, I thought it was awesome to give these kids a chance to walk out the way their idols do and soak in the moment a little. They made the A final in a very fast meet, let them enjoy it!
Anonymous
12/11/2023 18:45
Subject: What Winter Championship meets do you like and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why the NCAP hate? It’s not our club, but it seems a little over the top?
Honestly, because they are good and so the parents of the kids at mediocre clubs are bitter.
🤣
It’s kind of a tell when a poster ends their post hating on NCAP saying something like it’s too high pressure for my swimmer, but it works for some people.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 18:29
Subject: What Winter Championship meets do you like and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why the NCAP hate? It’s not our club, but it seems a little over the top?
Honestly, because they are good and so the parents of the kids at mediocre clubs are bitter.
🤣
Anonymous
12/11/2023 18:28
Subject: Re:What Winter Championship meets do you like and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NCap Imvite: Worst time of year. Everyone is tired and sick. Not as fun as Turkey Clause.
Yes, it’s a fast meet.
Appalling, unsportsmanlike behavior during the Men’s 100 free final last night from an NCap swimmer. Disgusting.
It’s not as fun as Turkey Claus because it’s a more competitive meet. It’s the nature of the beast, like any club sport being less fun than rec.
What was so appalling and disgusting at the men’s 100 free final?
please tell........
In the A final all the swimmers were ready and at their blocks ready to step up. Except one of the NCap swimmers.
He stood around, still dressed. They all waited for him. He took a really long time- all the swimmers and officials (and crowd) were watching him. When he finally got undressed, instead of going to the block, he stood behind it, slapping his chest multiple times, again, with everyone watching him. At this point, the swimmers had all been at their blocks ready to go for at least three minutes.
To say that is was unsportsmanlike is an understatement.
Also, if you are going to do that, you better win (he didn't).
Disgusting.
It sounds like the blocks would not adjust correctly and so he was busy doing that while everyone else was getting ready. So I don’t think it qualifies as “disgusting”. I do think they should not have waiting that long for him and he was clearly taking an obnoxiously long time. I didn’t see it though.
Incorrect. He quite obviously was making everyone wait. I agree the refs should have DQd him but his bravado was disgusting and a poor reflection of the club ethos
+1 totally on the ref to start the race and not wait for him.
I agree - I am really surprised ref didn’t start race if it was truly 3 minute delay while other kids were on blocks ready to race. Sort of on the adults to keep the meet moving. Teenagers will have bad judgment. My guess is a whistle (and possibly missed race) would correct the behavior.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 18:11
Subject: What Winter Championship meets do you like and why?
Anonymous wrote:This has gone off the rails. Kids from all teams/ages/genders are slapping, jumping, stretching, doing windmills, etc. at the blocks while waiting on their heats. That’s very different than holding up a race while taking off a parka and doing some sort of I’m-more-important-than-everyone else slapping ritual while other swimmers are standing on the blocks cold, anxious, and ready to race. Did the block require adjusting or was this kid just obnoxious?
Who knows, but PP has completely discredited herself with the anti-NCAP bias so I'm not going to believe whatever story she tells.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 17:45
Subject: What Winter Championship meets do you like and why?
This has gone off the rails. Kids from all teams/ages/genders are slapping, jumping, stretching, doing windmills, etc. at the blocks while waiting on their heats. That’s very different than holding up a race while taking off a parka and doing some sort of I’m-more-important-than-everyone else slapping ritual while other swimmers are standing on the blocks cold, anxious, and ready to race. Did the block require adjusting or was this kid just obnoxious?
Anonymous
12/11/2023 17:37
Subject: Re:What Winter Championship meets do you like and why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NCap Imvite: Worst time of year. Everyone is tired and sick. Not as fun as Turkey Clause.
Yes, it’s a fast meet.
Appalling, unsportsmanlike behavior during the Men’s 100 free final last night from an NCap swimmer. Disgusting.
It’s not as fun as Turkey Claus because it’s a more competitive meet. It’s the nature of the beast, like any club sport being less fun than rec.
What was so appalling and disgusting at the men’s 100 free final?
please tell........
In the A final all the swimmers were ready and at their blocks ready to step up. Except one of the NCap swimmers.
He stood around, still dressed. They all waited for him. He took a really long time- all the swimmers and officials (and crowd) were watching him. When he finally got undressed, instead of going to the block, he stood behind it, slapping his chest multiple times, again, with everyone watching him. At this point, the swimmers had all been at their blocks ready to go for at least three minutes.
To say that is was unsportsmanlike is an understatement.
Also, if you are going to do that, you better win (he didn't).
Disgusting.
It sounds like the blocks would not adjust correctly and so he was busy doing that while everyone else was getting ready. So I don’t think it qualifies as “disgusting”. I do think they should not have waiting that long for him and he was clearly taking an obnoxiously long time. I didn’t see it though.
Incorrect. He quite obviously was making everyone wait. I agree the refs should have DQd him but his bravado was disgusting and a poor reflection of the club ethos
+1 totally on the ref to start the race and not wait for him.