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11/04/2023 21:06 Subject: Whoa FCPS- data breach

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Anonymous wrote:Special needs parents are going to bleed public schools dry.

I’m sure some people here will be mad at me for saying this, but I’m going to go ahead and say it. I think some parents are frustrated and upset that their child has struggles and it’s easier to direct those feelings outward in the form of anger at teachers and schools, than to come to terms with the reality that there’s only going to be so much that anyone can do to help.

This is completely off topic from the data breech but no that is not the case. We are talking about a data breach not money and we dont need to justify spending to talk about it. You seem upset sbout spending which is why you are derailing the topic. Many parents have to take care of these children into adulthood and their entire lives. The government wont help at least half of them. You have no idea what youvsre talking about. In my experience I was shocked how hard it was to get anything done. As a business model, they woukd be out of business if there was another school system in town. The first year the school and I came up with a list for my child that matched the neuropysch testing and each year after I had to fight just to get anything done on it. Teachers would lie and say things were great and no support needed till end of first quarter when things would become an emergency. Flip flop like this every year. Except at the middle school where the plan was fulfilled without a second thought and the private school where some of the list was part of every day. If one school can fulfill a list without fanfare then its the school that cant which is the problem. Public school employees really can be that bad and it's pretty obvious here that they don't know how to complete a foia request. Many fcps employees, I hate to say it, but are not that bright. Maybe they were special ed as well
Maybe you should focus your monetary frustration towards this employee that couldn't keep our kids records private. Would you want your kids records released like this?

Schools shouldn’t be forced to give any extra attention to special needs students. 504s and IEPs should be eliminated.

So you’ll be ok with your 5th grader being in a classroom with a child the same age but learning on a preschool level? What about a child that needs their diaper needs changed, would you be ok if your Larlo gives up instruction time for it? What about a child that engages in self-injurious behavior. Are you ok with little Timmy banging his head into the wall? Do you mind if the teacher stops teaching your little Larlo after they see blood, or would that be too much extra attention? What about a student that needs sign language interpretation? Are you ok if the teacher talks in sign during class? What about if they need a Brailler? You good if the teacher spends time during class making tests in Braille at the expense of teaching little Larlo? What if the kid has Tourette’s, you good with the kid sqwaking the entire time? What if the child has PICA, you good if they eat your kid’s pencils? What if they choke on one of those pencils- is Larlo to blame because he didn’t put his pencil away? What if they have seizures, too much extra attention if teacher prevents them from hitting their head and has to run seizure protocol?

Anonymous

11/04/2023 20:41 Subject: Whoa FCPS- data breach

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Special needs parents are going to bleed public schools dry.

I’m sure some people here will be mad at me for saying this, but I’m going to go ahead and say it. I think some parents are frustrated and upset that their child has struggles and it’s easier to direct those feelings outward in the form of anger at teachers and schools, than to come to terms with the reality that there’s only going to be so much that anyone can do to help.

This is completely off topic from the data breech but no that is not the case. We are talking about a data breach not money and we dont need to justify spending to talk about it. You seem upset sbout spending which is why you are derailing the topic. Many parents have to take care of these children into adulthood and their entire lives. The government wont help at least half of them. You have no idea what youvsre talking about. In my experience I was shocked how hard it was to get anything done. As a business model, they woukd be out of business if there was another school system in town. The first year the school and I came up with a list for my child that matched the neuropysch testing and each year after I had to fight just to get anything done on it. Teachers would lie and say things were great and no support needed till end of first quarter when things would become an emergency. Flip flop like this every year. Except at the middle school where the plan was fulfilled without a second thought and the private school where some of the list was part of every day. If one school can fulfill a list without fanfare then its the school that cant which is the problem. Public school employees really can be that bad and it's pretty obvious here that they don't know how to complete a foia request. Many fcps employees, I hate to say it, but are not that bright. Maybe they were special ed as well
Maybe you should focus your monetary frustration towards this employee that couldn't keep our kids records private. Would you want your kids records released like this?

Schools shouldn’t be forced to give any extra attention to special needs students. 504s and IEPs should be eliminated.

Anonymous

11/04/2023 20:41 Subject: Whoa FCPS- data breach

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. While I sympathize, this woman has wreaked operational havoc on the schools her children have attended. I know one AP who spent her summer dealing with document requests from her instead of working on things that were needed to open school in the fall.

She was an "advocate" for one of the students in my lower ES class. She and the mom of the child were nasty from the second we sat down in an initial meeting. I typically walk into a meeting and present a pleasant greeting and small talk. Neither would make eye contact, let alone smile. They interrupted and they looked for any opportunity to find a "gotcha" moment. I remember trying to point out some positives about the child's academic work and they didn't want to hear it. It was all very negative and stressful when all I wanted to do was work with the parent in support of the child.

Nobody owes you pleasantries especially during a stressful time. Your focus once you walk in that room should be identifying problems and solutions to help that child. The parent (or child if they are present) should be the lead voice of the meeting, if they find it necessary to interrupt anyone then so be it. Sounds like you weren’t being helpful and they were trying to best utilize the time and keep the focus on identifying concerns and solutions. An advocate is there to help advocate for the child/parent and step in when they need to keep the focus on problems and solutions, it sounds like they did that. If something offended you then you should use it as a learning experience for how to conduct yourself differently next time. A productive IEP will skew negative and stressful in general, so you might need to change your expectations. I hope you keep the bad mouthing of other advocates and parents to yourself though, it’s really not a good look for a teacher.

I'm not the person you are talking to but you are way out of line. Teachers and parents should be a team and there should be respect on both sides. This is part of the problem in SPED right now...acting like educators are the enemy. Parents and teachers should be kind to one another. SMH! Teachers aren't out to get you or your kids. You need to change your attitude.

They are often out to do the bare minimum though; Teachers and staff complain about kids and parents and workload on here all the time. I have a long list of accommodations for my child and only one was ever implemented correctly without having to go back to the teachers during the year. I've had teachers insult me on the first month because they don't think my kid needs their accommodation and they've only known the child for less than 30 days. We still have to work with these teachers and staff for the benefit of our children even if they are rude and judgmental. It is certainly not just a one-sided issue with parents against staff. Many staff think they know what's best for these children based on the first three weeks of school. Even conferences aren't as early as special ed meetings. For anyone to go into a meeting with preconceived ideas of how it will go and how the child is as a whole human is assuming too much about the child and the meeting. People interject all the time. This isn't being very rude. Some people run on and take up the entire meeting. The rest of that teacher's post is just opinion. There was no real out of control behavior and I've seen parents yell at our school before and teachers for that matter too. Some staff has been helpful the whole way for my kid but others while they weren't out to get my kid, weren't out to help my kid either. If teachers and administrators can be that dissatisfied with their job with regular ed kids, they are more than disinterested in working with many special ed kids. Callie should not have published the documents or took them, but there was a reason FCPS was sued and has to pay compensatory services. Perhaps this person Callie is combative and that doesn't help situations she works with, but it also doesn't help families to have their child's private information just given out like this without care. These are two different issues. If this person really was such a bother, why did she get so much information so easily?

Parents complain on here non stop...and yeah we still need to work with you too even when you are rude and condescending. What's your point-you seem all over the place. I think what parents like you forget is schools are not there for just one child. Schools are there for all kids but once there is an IEP parents think teachers owe them the world. NO and you know what I'm a teacher if a parent yells at me they should prepare for me to go back at them-I do not tolerate disrespect and teachers do not work for parents. You seem like you have trouble seeing other sides to things and realizing the world does not revolve around you and your child.

Actually you do work for the parents since taxes pay your salary.

But parents are not listed on the employment contract as “employer”, so in actually you are not.

Teachers pay taxes, so by that logic are they also their own employers?

Anonymous

11/04/2023 20:34 Subject: Re:Whoa FCPS- data breach

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Anonymous wrote:And for someone who was so positive you certainly found a lot of negatives on others. The parent took the time to meet and bring an advocate so it must have been serious. Maybe you sucked up all the positivity on the subject for yourself.

I never said the student didn’t need help and I certainly didn’t try to just paint a rosy picture, but any positive comment was negated. “Surely you must have helped him because he never would be able to accomplish this on his own”.

We met before the school year even started and they were scowling from the time they came into the classroom. They were angry and on the attack from the beginning. Not a good first impression and it does little to lay constructive groundwork.

Can I just ask why are you talking about positive things so much when having an IEP or 504 meeting? What is the point about talking about how the child did something well if not to put the parent on the defensive about getting a service met? The point of the meeting is to talk about services needed and how to implement them.

Well, the positives could be outlining the growth towards a goal…which should be discussed.

If you only have growth towards a goal to discuss it’s just a fancy way to say you probably didn’t do your job. You either greatly overestimated the child’s abilities or are just now realizing they didn’t achieve the goal and are talking your way around why it’s good news that they’re at least making progress. What you should be talking about is why the child didn’t achieve the goal and why you haven’t suggested changes until the IEP meeting. You should be focused on the new proposed goals and how to achieve those.

Anonymous

11/04/2023 20:24 Subject: Whoa FCPS- data breach

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. While I sympathize, this woman has wreaked operational havoc on the schools her children have attended. I know one AP who spent her summer dealing with document requests from her instead of working on things that were needed to open school in the fall.

She was an "advocate" for one of the students in my lower ES class. She and the mom of the child were nasty from the second we sat down in an initial meeting. I typically walk into a meeting and present a pleasant greeting and small talk. Neither would make eye contact, let alone smile. They interrupted and they looked for any opportunity to find a "gotcha" moment. I remember trying to point out some positives about the child's academic work and they didn't want to hear it. It was all very negative and stressful when all I wanted to do was work with the parent in support of the child.

Nobody owes you pleasantries especially during a stressful time. Your focus once you walk in that room should be identifying problems and solutions to help that child. The parent (or child if they are present) should be the lead voice of the meeting, if they find it necessary to interrupt anyone then so be it. Sounds like you weren’t being helpful and they were trying to best utilize the time and keep the focus on identifying concerns and solutions. An advocate is there to help advocate for the child/parent and step in when they need to keep the focus on problems and solutions, it sounds like they did that. If something offended you then you should use it as a learning experience for how to conduct yourself differently next time. A productive IEP will skew negative and stressful in general, so you might need to change your expectations. I hope you keep the bad mouthing of other advocates and parents to yourself though, it’s really not a good look for a teacher.

I'm not the person you are talking to but you are way out of line. Teachers and parents should be a team and there should be respect on both sides. This is part of the problem in SPED right now...acting like educators are the enemy. Parents and teachers should be kind to one another. SMH! Teachers aren't out to get you or your kids. You need to change your attitude.

They are often out to do the bare minimum though; Teachers and staff complain about kids and parents and workload on here all the time. I have a long list of accommodations for my child and only one was ever implemented correctly without having to go back to the teachers during the year. I've had teachers insult me on the first month because they don't think my kid needs their accommodation and they've only known the child for less than 30 days. We still have to work with these teachers and staff for the benefit of our children even if they are rude and judgmental. It is certainly not just a one-sided issue with parents against staff. Many staff think they know what's best for these children based on the first three weeks of school. Even conferences aren't as early as special ed meetings. For anyone to go into a meeting with preconceived ideas of how it will go and how the child is as a whole human is assuming too much about the child and the meeting. People interject all the time. This isn't being very rude. Some people run on and take up the entire meeting. The rest of that teacher's post is just opinion. There was no real out of control behavior and I've seen parents yell at our school before and teachers for that matter too. Some staff has been helpful the whole way for my kid but others while they weren't out to get my kid, weren't out to help my kid either. If teachers and administrators can be that dissatisfied with their job with regular ed kids, they are more than disinterested in working with many special ed kids. Callie should not have published the documents or took them, but there was a reason FCPS was sued and has to pay compensatory services. Perhaps this person Callie is combative and that doesn't help situations she works with, but it also doesn't help families to have their child's private information just given out like this without care. These are two different issues. If this person really was such a bother, why did she get so much information so easily?

Parents complain on here non stop...and yeah we still need to work with you too even when you are rude and condescending. What's your point-you seem all over the place. I think what parents like you forget is schools are not there for just one child. Schools are there for all kids but once there is an IEP parents think teachers owe them the world. NO and you know what I'm a teacher if a parent yells at me they should prepare for me to go back at them-I do not tolerate disrespect and teachers do not work for parents. You seem like you have trouble seeing other sides to things and realizing the world does not revolve around you and your child.

Actually you do work for the parents since taxes pay your salary.

But parents are not listed on the employment contract as “employer”, so in actually you are not.

Anonymous

11/04/2023 20:22 Subject: Re:Whoa FCPS- data breach

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:And for someone who was so positive you certainly found a lot of negatives on others. The parent took the time to meet and bring an advocate so it must have been serious. Maybe you sucked up all the positivity on the subject for yourself.

I never said the student didn’t need help and I certainly didn’t try to just paint a rosy picture, but any positive comment was negated. “Surely you must have helped him because he never would be able to accomplish this on his own”.

We met before the school year even started and they were scowling from the time they came into the classroom. They were angry and on the attack from the beginning. Not a good first impression and it does little to lay constructive groundwork.

Can I just ask why are you talking about positive things so much when having an IEP or 504 meeting? What is the point about talking about how the child did something well if not to put the parent on the defensive about getting a service met? The point of the meeting is to talk about services needed and how to implement them.

Well, the positives could be outlining the growth towards a goal…which should be discussed.

Anonymous

11/04/2023 19:47 Subject: Re:Whoa FCPS- data breach

Anonymous wrote:Just what you’d expect under incompetent Michelle Reid and the equally incompetent School Board that hired her.

The whole district is incompetent. They do not know where their own as$holes are.

Anonymous

11/04/2023 09:55 Subject: Whoa FCPS- data breach

Maybe FCPS needs to hire her, it seems like she knows more about privacy laws than the school system does.

Anonymous

11/04/2023 00:36 Subject: Re:Whoa FCPS- data breach

Anonymous wrote:As a lawyer who has some familiarity with large companies and their data security, I find it laughable that people expect a school district to have similar security. If they set aside the budget for that, everyone would be furious. That's not what school administration is for, it's not what we want them to be skilled experts in.

I find it laughable that you say you're a lawyer, but you clearly didn't bother reading the article before commenting.
You look silly... try not being so arrogant.

This breach comes on the heels of at least a dozen smaller breaches, and another major breech from 2020 when they were hacked by MAZE.
After the 2020 breach, a county judge ruled against Fairfax in a case related to leaked student records and Faitfax found themselves the subject of a federal civil rights probe by the government due to the hundreds of thousands of FERPA violations that Fairfax has incurred over the past 5 years.

From the governor on down, Fairfax County Public Schools were made aware on numerous occasions that they were to get their house in order or else -- the governor even earmarked all of the funds they would need to correct the breaches, upgrade their system and get in compliance with securing students info.

And as of this year, it's STILL a major point of contention because it STILL HASN'T BEEN DONE.