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Anonymous wrote:People aren’t looking for excuses. They are looking for explanations so they can find an answer that works long term. What is so difficult for people to accept about the fact that everybody is unique? What works for one person is not going to work exactly the same way for another person. You can have two people eating exactly the same food, doing exactly the same exercise, and get drastically different results.

I don't think anyone disputes that different people will have different experiences even eating the same foods. The reactions we see in this thread are to posts declaring the utter preposterousness of CICO, despite CICO self-evidently not being preposterous (indeed, it's tautological). A unifying position may be "CICO determine weight loss, but since both calories in and calories out depend to some extent on individual experiences, different people will have different experiences with similar foods and levels of activity."

Really? Because I see not a few posts deriding fat people for not having self control and daring to question why calorie restriction isn’t really giving them the long term results they want. For some people the “self-control” needed to calorie restrict themselves to thinness looks like an eating disorder in a thin person. No one should live like that. It’s just not an acceptable solution. We need to do better than that.

In my late 40s, I decided to get my 5K time under 19:00. I had never run remotely that fast, and I'm not a genetically gifted runner. I ran a lot. I experienced a lot... and I mean a LOT... of discomfort, especially running 1000M intervals at 5K race pace. I used programs designed to be as easy as humanly possible while achieving the desired results.

But.. it took what it took. I could have said "this is not an acceptable solution! No one should live like this!", but it would have been pointless. Beyond a certain point, things take the level of effort that they take. I hate losing weight because it's hard and I'm hungry and grumpy all the time. But, it takes what it takes.

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Anonymous wrote:People aren’t looking for excuses. They are looking for explanations so they can find an answer that works long term. What is so difficult for people to accept about the fact that everybody is unique? What works for one person is not going to work exactly the same way for another person. You can have two people eating exactly the same food, doing exactly the same exercise, and get drastically different results.

I don't think anyone disputes that different people will have different experiences even eating the same foods. The reactions we see in this thread are to posts declaring the utter preposterousness of CICO, despite CICO self-evidently not being preposterous (indeed, it's tautological). A unifying position may be "CICO determine weight loss, but since both calories in and calories out depend to some extent on individual experiences, different people will have different experiences with similar foods and levels of activity."

Really? Because I see not a few posts deriding fat people for not having self control and daring to question why calorie restriction isn’t really giving them the long term results they want. For some people the “self-control” needed to calorie restrict themselves to thinness looks like an eating disorder in a thin person. No one should live like that. It’s just not an acceptable solution. We need to do better than that.

In my late 40s, I decided to get my 5K time under 19:00. I had never run remotely that fast, and I'm not a genetically gifted runner. I ran a lot. I experienced a lot... and I mean a LOT... of discomfort, especially running 1000M intervals at 5K race pace. I used programs designed to be as easy as humanly possible while achieving the desired results.

But.. it took what it took. I could have said "this is not an acceptable solution! No one should live like this!", but it would have been pointless. Beyond a certain point, things take the level of effort that they take. I hate losing weight because it's hard and I'm hungry and grumpy all the time. But, it takes what it takes.

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Anonymous wrote:People aren’t looking for excuses. They are looking for explanations so they can find an answer that works long term. What is so difficult for people to accept about the fact that everybody is unique? What works for one person is not going to work exactly the same way for another person. You can have two people eating exactly the same food, doing exactly the same exercise, and get drastically different results.

I don't think anyone disputes that different people will have different experiences even eating the same foods. The reactions we see in this thread are to posts declaring the utter preposterousness of CICO, despite CICO self-evidently not being preposterous (indeed, it's tautological). A unifying position may be "CICO determine weight loss, but since both calories in and calories out depend to some extent on individual experiences, different people will have different experiences with similar foods and levels of activity."

Really? Because I see not a few posts deriding fat people for not having self control and daring to question why calorie restriction isn’t really giving them the long term results they want. For some people the “self-control” needed to calorie restrict themselves to thinness looks like an eating disorder in a thin person. No one should live like that. It’s just not an acceptable solution. We need to do better than that.

Preach!

Weight gain and loss is just another example of society always trying to find something else to blame instead of taking personal responsibility for your actions. Sure CICO isn't perfect and there are differences from person to person but at the end of the day for the majority of people if you burning more calories then you are eating you will lose weight...

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Anonymous wrote:People aren’t looking for excuses. They are looking for explanations so they can find an answer that works long term. What is so difficult for people to accept about the fact that everybody is unique? What works for one person is not going to work exactly the same way for another person. You can have two people eating exactly the same food, doing exactly the same exercise, and get drastically different results.

I don't think anyone disputes that different people will have different experiences even eating the same foods. The reactions we see in this thread are to posts declaring the utter preposterousness of CICO, despite CICO self-evidently not being preposterous (indeed, it's tautological). A unifying position may be "CICO determine weight loss, but since both calories in and calories out depend to some extent on individual experiences, different people will have different experiences with similar foods and levels of activity."

Really? Because I see not a few posts deriding fat people for not having self control and daring to question why calorie restriction isn’t really giving them the long term results they want. For some people the “self-control” needed to calorie restrict themselves to thinness looks like an eating disorder in a thin person. No one should live like that. It’s just not an acceptable solution. We need to do better than that.

Preach!

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Anonymous wrote:People aren’t looking for excuses. They are looking for explanations so they can find an answer that works long term. What is so difficult for people to accept about the fact that everybody is unique? What works for one person is not going to work exactly the same way for another person. You can have two people eating exactly the same food, doing exactly the same exercise, and get drastically different results.

I don't think anyone disputes that different people will have different experiences even eating the same foods. The reactions we see in this thread are to posts declaring the utter preposterousness of CICO, despite CICO self-evidently not being preposterous (indeed, it's tautological). A unifying position may be "CICO determine weight loss, but since both calories in and calories out depend to some extent on individual experiences, different people will have different experiences with similar foods and levels of activity."

Really? Because I see not a few posts deriding fat people for not having self control and daring to question why calorie restriction isn’t really giving them the long term results they want. For some people the “self-control” needed to calorie restrict themselves to thinness looks like an eating disorder in a thin person. No one should live like that. It’s just not an acceptable solution. We need to do better than that.

In my late 40s, I decided to get my 5K time under 19:00. I had never run remotely that fast, and I'm not a genetically gifted runner. I ran a lot. I experienced a lot... and I mean a LOT... of discomfort, especially running 1000M intervals at 5K race pace. I used programs designed to be as easy as humanly possible while achieving the desired results.

But.. it took what it took. I could have said "this is not an acceptable solution! No one should live like this!", but it would have been pointless. Beyond a certain point, things take the level of effort that they take. I hate losing weight because it's hard and I'm hungry and grumpy all the time. But, it takes what it takes.

Sometimes people augment their natural running ability by wearing shoes. Sometimes people augment their weight loss ability by taking semaglutide. Humans invent technology to supplement their natural abilities. That's why we rule the world and are at the top of the food chain!

Super shoe running economy is like 2.5%. So not exactly the same thing. But your point is well taken.

I think people should use as much technology as possible. But it all has potential consequences. Lots of people get injured running in carbon plated shoes because of the lack of stability - for example.

True enough. This is straying pretty far from the topic, but I really enjoyed "Born to Run" by Christopher McDougall. He argues that a lot of running injuries can be traced to bad form caused by shoes. While I think his claims should be taken with pretty significant grains of salt, I don't think he's entirely off base. When I switched to minimalist shoes for a period of time, I felt like it really improved my stride and reduced strain on my hips, knees, and legs -- and then caused an injury to my feet due to insufficient protection from the pavement. Life is all about trying to maximize benefits and minimize costs, and basically every choice is a tradeoff.

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Anonymous wrote:People aren’t looking for excuses. They are looking for explanations so they can find an answer that works long term. What is so difficult for people to accept about the fact that everybody is unique? What works for one person is not going to work exactly the same way for another person. You can have two people eating exactly the same food, doing exactly the same exercise, and get drastically different results.

I don't think anyone disputes that different people will have different experiences even eating the same foods. The reactions we see in this thread are to posts declaring the utter preposterousness of CICO, despite CICO self-evidently not being preposterous (indeed, it's tautological). A unifying position may be "CICO determine weight loss, but since both calories in and calories out depend to some extent on individual experiences, different people will have different experiences with similar foods and levels of activity."

Really? Because I see not a few posts deriding fat people for not having self control and daring to question why calorie restriction isn’t really giving them the long term results they want. For some people the “self-control” needed to calorie restrict themselves to thinness looks like an eating disorder in a thin person. No one should live like that. It’s just not an acceptable solution. We need to do better than that.

In my late 40s, I decided to get my 5K time under 19:00. I had never run remotely that fast, and I'm not a genetically gifted runner. I ran a lot. I experienced a lot... and I mean a LOT... of discomfort, especially running 1000M intervals at 5K race pace. I used programs designed to be as easy as humanly possible while achieving the desired results.

But.. it took what it took. I could have said "this is not an acceptable solution! No one should live like this!", but it would have been pointless. Beyond a certain point, things take the level of effort that they take. I hate losing weight because it's hard and I'm hungry and grumpy all the time. But, it takes what it takes.

Sometimes people augment their natural running ability by wearing shoes. Sometimes people augment their weight loss ability by taking semaglutide. Humans invent technology to supplement their natural abilities. That's why we rule the world and are at the top of the food chain!

Super shoe running economy is like 2.5%. So not exactly the same thing. But your point is well taken.

I think people should use as much technology as possible. But it all has potential consequences. Lots of people get injured running in carbon plated shoes because of the lack of stability - for example.

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Anonymous wrote:People aren’t looking for excuses. They are looking for explanations so they can find an answer that works long term. What is so difficult for people to accept about the fact that everybody is unique? What works for one person is not going to work exactly the same way for another person. You can have two people eating exactly the same food, doing exactly the same exercise, and get drastically different results.

I don't think anyone disputes that different people will have different experiences even eating the same foods. The reactions we see in this thread are to posts declaring the utter preposterousness of CICO, despite CICO self-evidently not being preposterous (indeed, it's tautological). A unifying position may be "CICO determine weight loss, but since both calories in and calories out depend to some extent on individual experiences, different people will have different experiences with similar foods and levels of activity."

Really? Because I see not a few posts deriding fat people for not having self control and daring to question why calorie restriction isn’t really giving them the long term results they want. For some people the “self-control” needed to calorie restrict themselves to thinness looks like an eating disorder in a thin person. No one should live like that. It’s just not an acceptable solution. We need to do better than that.

In my late 40s, I decided to get my 5K time under 19:00. I had never run remotely that fast, and I'm not a genetically gifted runner. I ran a lot. I experienced a lot... and I mean a LOT... of discomfort, especially running 1000M intervals at 5K race pace. I used programs designed to be as easy as humanly possible while achieving the desired results.

But.. it took what it took. I could have said "this is not an acceptable solution! No one should live like this!", but it would have been pointless. Beyond a certain point, things take the level of effort that they take. I hate losing weight because it's hard and I'm hungry and grumpy all the time. But, it takes what it takes.

Sometimes people augment their natural running ability by wearing shoes. Sometimes people augment their weight loss ability by taking semaglutide. Humans invent technology to supplement their natural abilities. That's why we rule the world and are at the top of the food chain!

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Anonymous wrote:People aren’t looking for excuses. They are looking for explanations so they can find an answer that works long term. What is so difficult for people to accept about the fact that everybody is unique? What works for one person is not going to work exactly the same way for another person. You can have two people eating exactly the same food, doing exactly the same exercise, and get drastically different results.

I don't think anyone disputes that different people will have different experiences even eating the same foods. The reactions we see in this thread are to posts declaring the utter preposterousness of CICO, despite CICO self-evidently not being preposterous (indeed, it's tautological). A unifying position may be "CICO determine weight loss, but since both calories in and calories out depend to some extent on individual experiences, different people will have different experiences with similar foods and levels of activity."

Really? Because I see not a few posts deriding fat people for not having self control and daring to question why calorie restriction isn’t really giving them the long term results they want. For some people the “self-control” needed to calorie restrict themselves to thinness looks like an eating disorder in a thin person. No one should live like that. It’s just not an acceptable solution. We need to do better than that.

In my late 40s, I decided to get my 5K time under 19:00. I had never run remotely that fast, and I'm not a genetically gifted runner. I ran a lot. I experienced a lot... and I mean a LOT... of discomfort, especially running 1000M intervals at 5K race pace. I used programs designed to be as easy as humanly possible while achieving the desired results.

But.. it took what it took. I could have said "this is not an acceptable solution! No one should live like this!", but it would have been pointless. Beyond a certain point, things take the level of effort that they take. I hate losing weight because it's hard and I'm hungry and grumpy all the time. But, it takes what it takes.

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Anonymous wrote:People aren’t looking for excuses. They are looking for explanations so they can find an answer that works long term. What is so difficult for people to accept about the fact that everybody is unique? What works for one person is not going to work exactly the same way for another person. You can have two people eating exactly the same food, doing exactly the same exercise, and get drastically different results.

I don't think anyone disputes that different people will have different experiences even eating the same foods. The reactions we see in this thread are to posts declaring the utter preposterousness of CICO, despite CICO self-evidently not being preposterous (indeed, it's tautological). A unifying position may be "CICO determine weight loss, but since both calories in and calories out depend to some extent on individual experiences, different people will have different experiences with similar foods and levels of activity."

Really? Because I see not a few posts deriding fat people for not having self control and daring to question why calorie restriction isn’t really giving them the long term results they want. For some people the “self-control” needed to calorie restrict themselves to thinness looks like an eating disorder in a thin person. No one should live like that. It’s just not an acceptable solution. We need to do better than that.

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Anonymous wrote:People aren’t looking for excuses. They are looking for explanations so they can find an answer that works long term. What is so difficult for people to accept about the fact that everybody is unique? What works for one person is not going to work exactly the same way for another person. You can have two people eating exactly the same food, doing exactly the same exercise, and get drastically different results.

I don't think anyone disputes that different people will have different experiences even eating the same foods. The reactions we see in this thread are to posts declaring the utter preposterousness of CICO, despite CICO self-evidently not being preposterous (indeed, it's tautological). A unifying position may be "CICO determine weight loss, but since both calories in and calories out depend to some extent on individual experiences, different people will have different experiences with similar foods and levels of activity."

Really? Because I see not a few posts deriding fat people for not having self control and daring to question why calorie restriction isn’t really giving them the long term results they want. For some people the “self-control” needed to calorie restrict themselves to thinness looks like an eating disorder in a thin person. No one should live like that. It’s just not an acceptable solution. We need to do better than that.

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Anonymous wrote:People aren’t looking for excuses. They are looking for explanations so they can find an answer that works long term. What is so difficult for people to accept about the fact that everybody is unique? What works for one person is not going to work exactly the same way for another person. You can have two people eating exactly the same food, doing exactly the same exercise, and get drastically different results.

I don't think anyone disputes that different people will have different experiences even eating the same foods. The reactions we see in this thread are to posts declaring the utter preposterousness of CICO, despite CICO self-evidently not being preposterous (indeed, it's tautological). A unifying position may be "CICO determine weight loss, but since both calories in and calories out depend to some extent on individual experiences, different people will have different experiences with similar foods and levels of activity."

Anonymous wrote:People aren’t looking for excuses. They are looking for explanations so they can find an answer that works long term. What is so difficult for people to accept about the fact that everybody is unique? What works for one person is not going to work exactly the same way for another person. You can have two people eating exactly the same food, doing exactly the same exercise, and get drastically different results.

Anonymous wrote:With wegovy who cares?

Anonymous wrote:I eat a lot of sugar, fruit several times per day, pies on the weekend. Banana bread, etc. I am not overweight nor diabetic.
I love sugar and eat sugar. I also love savory dishes and eat a ton of them too.
Have good HDL, no other kind of cholesterol, and I am 120 lbs. At 52 and not short either.
I eat carbs, all the time too!
and I barely exercise, some pulls up and walks.
It is sad how many people are buying into some food cults bcs they need an excuse as to why they are overweight.