Anonymous
09/01/2023 13:24
Subject: Hurricane Idalia—Make it make sense
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My friend, who lives in the Tampa area and are under mandatory evacuation orders:
“We aren’t evacuating this time. This storm is due to make landfall N of here. We evacuated last year when the storm was set to hit us and it ended up turning S of us.”
😳 Make it make sense!
For whatever reason, canes never hit Tampa proper
They are afraid of venereal disease.
Anonymous
09/01/2023 13:10
Subject: Hurricane Idalia—Make it make sense
When the next storm comes along-and it will-read this /\/\/\
Anonymous
08/31/2023 18:25
Subject: Re:Hurricane Idalia—Make it make sense
On the front page of the Tampa Bay Times, as of the time of this post:
Key to Hurricane Idalia's low death toll? Floridians heeded evacuation warnings.
https://www.tampabay.com/
Key to Hurricane Idalia's low death toll? Floridians heeded evacuation warnings.
https://www.tampabay.com/
Anonymous
08/31/2023 16:39
Subject: Hurricane Idalia—Make it make sense
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The amount of incorrect information, dangerous recommendations, and flat out poor judgment in this threat is staggering. I wish Jeff would close it.
Such as? I think you are upset that your hysteria and wishes for people to "meet their end quickly due to 16 feet storm surges" did not come true.
I did not make that wish, thanks. It still needs to be closed cuz there's a lot of misinformation and flat out bad advice that was given here.
Such as?
Such as, refusing to follow a mandatory evacuation order issued for the zone that you live in. Therefore endangering yourselves and your families, and the first responders who have to come rescue you.
But in hindsight, was it actually a bad decision? Or was she fine?
(DP) That is not a moral way to judge the situation. The ends justifying the means? Even if they are fine (which I hope is the case), that does not mean staying was a good decision or the right thing to do (if they were under mandatory evacuation orders).
We all make choices.
Anonymous
08/31/2023 15:47
Subject: Hurricane Idalia—Make it make sense
Anonymous wrote:My friend, who lives in the Tampa area and are under mandatory evacuation orders:
“We aren’t evacuating this time. This storm is due to make landfall N of here. We evacuated last year when the storm was set to hit us and it ended up turning S of us.”
😳 Make it make sense!
For whatever reason, canes never hit Tampa proper
Anonymous
08/31/2023 15:38
Subject: Hurricane Idalia—Make it make sense
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any news from the friend this morning?
Not the OP, but we have family in a mandatory evac zone and their kids are back in school today, road isn't even wet, they didn't lose power. NBD.
Again, a simple perusal of any trusted media shows that a lot of people were affected. Your response is very tone deaf.
It's not remotely tone deaf. In Tampa Bay, this turned out to be a very regular storm, and life is by and large back to normal. The storm hit really hard in the least populated part of the state. There will be people affected - but MOST people will not have been severely affected. Why is it tone deaf to acknowledge that? Why are you disaster porn addicts SO excited about things being horrible??
Storms are going to be worse! There will be more of them! It's going to be bad! We got very lucky this time! And people who live in Florida LIVE with all of this - and don't need you giving a lecture about how we should and shouldn't talk about it.
I don't even live in Florida and I understand why people don't evacuate. I can recall summers past where people did and they showed the traffic back ups, the gas station lines, etc and then it was just a storm. A lot of people can't uproot their lives and can't afford to evacuate each time so they use their best judgement. News programs just want to get more viewers so they hype it up to ridiculous levels of reporting during storms. They do here in DC and it's annoying.
Oh okay, I'm glad people don't evacuate when issued mandatory orders cuz you know you don't want traffic! It's no big deal if an emergency responder has to come get you is it? It's so interesting how so many people here turn into meteorologists and scientists when a storm approaches.
I don't understand why you ask the question "why don't people evacuate" if you're just going to argue answer every get? PP was explaining the logic and thinking behind people's decisions. Aka answering your question. Is it logic I personally follow? I don't think so -- I'm pretty safety conscious -- but I don't live in Florida, nor have I ever lived anywhere where there's a hurricane risk, so who knows. I don't know why you are so upset that people are answering your question.
Anonymous
08/31/2023 14:38
Subject: Hurricane Idalia—Make it make sense
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The amount of incorrect information, dangerous recommendations, and flat out poor judgment in this threat is staggering. I wish Jeff would close it.
Such as? I think you are upset that your hysteria and wishes for people to "meet their end quickly due to 16 feet storm surges" did not come true.
I did not make that wish, thanks. It still needs to be closed cuz there's a lot of misinformation and flat out bad advice that was given here.
Such as?
Such as, refusing to follow a mandatory evacuation order issued for the zone that you live in. Therefore endangering yourselves and your families, and the first responders who have to come rescue you.
But in hindsight, was it actually a bad decision? Or was she fine?
(DP) That is not a moral way to judge the situation. The ends justifying the means? Even if they are fine (which I hope is the case), that does not mean staying was a good decision or the right thing to do (if they were under mandatory evacuation orders).
Anonymous
08/31/2023 14:29
Subject: Hurricane Idalia—Make it make sense
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any news from the friend this morning?
Not the OP, but we have family in a mandatory evac zone and their kids are back in school today, road isn't even wet, they didn't lose power. NBD.
Again, a simple perusal of any trusted media shows that a lot of people were affected. Your response is very tone deaf.
It's not remotely tone deaf. In Tampa Bay, this turned out to be a very regular storm, and life is by and large back to normal. The storm hit really hard in the least populated part of the state. There will be people affected - but MOST people will not have been severely affected. Why is it tone deaf to acknowledge that? Why are you disaster porn addicts SO excited about things being horrible??
Storms are going to be worse! There will be more of them! It's going to be bad! We got very lucky this time! And people who live in Florida LIVE with all of this - and don't need you giving a lecture about how we should and shouldn't talk about it.
I don't even live in Florida and I understand why people don't evacuate. I can recall summers past where people did and they showed the traffic back ups, the gas station lines, etc and then it was just a storm. A lot of people can't uproot their lives and can't afford to evacuate each time so they use their best judgement. News programs just want to get more viewers so they hype it up to ridiculous levels of reporting during storms. They do here in DC and it's annoying.
Oh okay, I'm glad people don't evacuate when issued mandatory orders cuz you know you don't want traffic! It's no big deal if an emergency responder has to come get you is it? It's so interesting how so many people here turn into meteorologists and scientists when a storm approaches.
Have you ever returned to a home (days after the storm when the police allow you to return) that's soaking wet, getting mildew, no electricity, no water, and looters helping themselves to what they want? Many people decide they can't afford to deal with those outcomes and decide to tide out the storms. I'm not saying it's what I would do, but I can understand that line of thinking.
not evacuating, its not going to change the part about mildew and no electricity and stuff like that. Looting? I do understand there's a fear of that. I know at least in my county, the sheriff's department was pretty closely screening people they were letting back in yesterday but I don't know how that works everywhere.
Anonymous
08/31/2023 14:28
Subject: Hurricane Idalia—Make it make sense
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any news from the friend this morning?
Not the OP, but we have family in a mandatory evac zone and their kids are back in school today, road isn't even wet, they didn't lose power. NBD.
Again, a simple perusal of any trusted media shows that a lot of people were affected. Your response is very tone deaf.
It's not remotely tone deaf. In Tampa Bay, this turned out to be a very regular storm, and life is by and large back to normal. The storm hit really hard in the least populated part of the state. There will be people affected - but MOST people will not have been severely affected. Why is it tone deaf to acknowledge that? Why are you disaster porn addicts SO excited about things being horrible??
Storms are going to be worse! There will be more of them! It's going to be bad! We got very lucky this time! And people who live in Florida LIVE with all of this - and don't need you giving a lecture about how we should and shouldn't talk about it.
I don't even live in Florida and I understand why people don't evacuate. I can recall summers past where people did and they showed the traffic back ups, the gas station lines, etc and then it was just a storm. A lot of people can't uproot their lives and can't afford to evacuate each time so they use their best judgement. News programs just want to get more viewers so they hype it up to ridiculous levels of reporting during storms. They do here in DC and it's annoying.
Oh okay, I'm glad people don't evacuate when issued mandatory orders cuz you know you don't want traffic! It's no big deal if an emergency responder has to come get you is it? It's so interesting how so many people here turn into meteorologists and scientists when a storm approaches.
It's not that "you don't want traffic" - it's that you don't want to get stuck in traffic when the storm is coming! It adds danger and uncertainty to what is already a dangerous and uncertain situation! You are really, really not thinking this through like someone who actually has to LIVE with it instead of some idiot armchair evacuator from a thousand miles away.
Anonymous
08/31/2023 14:12
Subject: Hurricane Idalia—Make it make sense
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any news from the friend this morning?
Not the OP, but we have family in a mandatory evac zone and their kids are back in school today, road isn't even wet, they didn't lose power. NBD.
Again, a simple perusal of any trusted media shows that a lot of people were affected. Your response is very tone deaf.
It's not remotely tone deaf. In Tampa Bay, this turned out to be a very regular storm, and life is by and large back to normal. The storm hit really hard in the least populated part of the state. There will be people affected - but MOST people will not have been severely affected. Why is it tone deaf to acknowledge that? Why are you disaster porn addicts SO excited about things being horrible??
Storms are going to be worse! There will be more of them! It's going to be bad! We got very lucky this time! And people who live in Florida LIVE with all of this - and don't need you giving a lecture about how we should and shouldn't talk about it.
I don't even live in Florida and I understand why people don't evacuate. I can recall summers past where people did and they showed the traffic back ups, the gas station lines, etc and then it was just a storm. A lot of people can't uproot their lives and can't afford to evacuate each time so they use their best judgement. News programs just want to get more viewers so they hype it up to ridiculous levels of reporting during storms. They do here in DC and it's annoying.
Oh okay, I'm glad people don't evacuate when issued mandatory orders cuz you know you don't want traffic! It's no big deal if an emergency responder has to come get you is it? It's so interesting how so many people here turn into meteorologists and scientists when a storm approaches.
Have you ever returned to a home (days after the storm when the police allow you to return) that's soaking wet, getting mildew, no electricity, no water, and looters helping themselves to what they want? Many people decide they can't afford to deal with those outcomes and decide to tide out the storms. I'm not saying it's what I would do, but I can understand that line of thinking.
Anonymous
08/31/2023 13:31
Subject: Hurricane Idalia—Make it make sense
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any news from the friend this morning?
Not the OP, but we have family in a mandatory evac zone and their kids are back in school today, road isn't even wet, they didn't lose power. NBD.
Again, a simple perusal of any trusted media shows that a lot of people were affected. Your response is very tone deaf.
It's not remotely tone deaf. In Tampa Bay, this turned out to be a very regular storm, and life is by and large back to normal. The storm hit really hard in the least populated part of the state. There will be people affected - but MOST people will not have been severely affected. Why is it tone deaf to acknowledge that? Why are you disaster porn addicts SO excited about things being horrible??
Storms are going to be worse! There will be more of them! It's going to be bad! We got very lucky this time! And people who live in Florida LIVE with all of this - and don't need you giving a lecture about how we should and shouldn't talk about it.
I don't even live in Florida and I understand why people don't evacuate. I can recall summers past where people did and they showed the traffic back ups, the gas station lines, etc and then it was just a storm. A lot of people can't uproot their lives and can't afford to evacuate each time so they use their best judgement. News programs just want to get more viewers so they hype it up to ridiculous levels of reporting during storms. They do here in DC and it's annoying.
Oh okay, I'm glad people don't evacuate when issued mandatory orders cuz you know you don't want traffic! It's no big deal if an emergency responder has to come get you is it? It's so interesting how so many people here turn into meteorologists and scientists when a storm approaches.
Anonymous
08/31/2023 13:18
Subject: Hurricane Idalia—Make it make sense
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any news from the friend this morning?
Not the OP, but we have family in a mandatory evac zone and their kids are back in school today, road isn't even wet, they didn't lose power. NBD.
Again, a simple perusal of any trusted media shows that a lot of people were affected. Your response is very tone deaf.
It’s not tone deaf. She’s sharing one family’s anecdote. Yes, a lot of people were impacted. Some were not. I think all of us are hopeful that op’s friend is having a similar experience as pp’s family.
Oh they’re definitely fine. You can tell by how OP is not coming back to “I told you so” all over the thread.
Anonymous
08/31/2023 13:09
Subject: Hurricane Idalia—Make it make sense
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any news from the friend this morning?
Not the OP, but we have family in a mandatory evac zone and their kids are back in school today, road isn't even wet, they didn't lose power. NBD.
Again, a simple perusal of any trusted media shows that a lot of people were affected. Your response is very tone deaf.
It's not remotely tone deaf. In Tampa Bay, this turned out to be a very regular storm, and life is by and large back to normal. The storm hit really hard in the least populated part of the state. There will be people affected - but MOST people will not have been severely affected. Why is it tone deaf to acknowledge that? Why are you disaster porn addicts SO excited about things being horrible??
Storms are going to be worse! There will be more of them! It's going to be bad! We got very lucky this time! And people who live in Florida LIVE with all of this - and don't need you giving a lecture about how we should and shouldn't talk about it.
I don't even live in Florida and I understand why people don't evacuate. I can recall summers past where people did and they showed the traffic back ups, the gas station lines, etc and then it was just a storm. A lot of people can't uproot their lives and can't afford to evacuate each time so they use their best judgement. News programs just want to get more viewers so they hype it up to ridiculous levels of reporting during storms. They do here in DC and it's annoying.
Anonymous
08/31/2023 10:22
Subject: Hurricane Idalia—Make it make sense
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The amount of incorrect information, dangerous recommendations, and flat out poor judgment in this threat is staggering. I wish Jeff would close it.
Such as? I think you are upset that your hysteria and wishes for people to "meet their end quickly due to 16 feet storm surges" did not come true.
I did not make that wish, thanks. It still needs to be closed cuz there's a lot of misinformation and flat out bad advice that was given here.
Such as?
Such as, refusing to follow a mandatory evacuation order issued for the zone that you live in. Therefore endangering yourselves and your families, and the first responders who have to come rescue you.
OP asked for people to "make it make sense" as to why people don't evacuate. I would evacuate, personally, but others were sharing their *personal experience* (or experiences of those they know) as to why they didn't. How can personal opinions be "misinformation"? I'm not saying I agree with them, but people are just responding.
Anonymous
08/31/2023 10:22
Subject: Hurricane Idalia—Make it make sense
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The amount of incorrect information, dangerous recommendations, and flat out poor judgment in this threat is staggering. I wish Jeff would close it.
Such as? I think you are upset that your hysteria and wishes for people to "meet their end quickly due to 16 feet storm surges" did not come true.
I did not make that wish, thanks. It still needs to be closed cuz there's a lot of misinformation and flat out bad advice that was given here.
Such as?
Such as, refusing to follow a mandatory evacuation order issued for the zone that you live in. Therefore endangering yourselves and your families, and the first responders who have to come rescue you.
But in hindsight, was it actually a bad decision? Or was she fine?