Anonymous
08/14/2023 17:31
Subject: Rich Men North of Richmond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who funds the government?
That’s right, the rich “men” up north. The doctors, lawyers, small business owners that employ the working class.
Got it.
The south now has a higher GDP than the north.
er .. what? What "news" source are you reading? CA alone is almost the same FL and TX combined, which are the only southern states that have a gdp.
Then look at per capita gdp
https://www.statista.com/statistics/248063/per-capita-us-real-gross-domestic-product-gdp-by-state/
Other than TX , the rest of the southern states per capita gdp is below the US average. The states above the US average are mostly in the west, and about five in the northeast, and the majority are blue states.
DP
As recently reported in Bloomberg, the combined GDP of Texas, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee and the Carolinas (which I’ll refer to as the six-state South) surpassed the GDP of the Northeast region that includes Washington, D.C. and the 11 states from Maryland up to Maine. In 2005, the Northeast’s share of national GDP was 23.5%, while the six-state South’s was 21.8%. In 2022, the numbers flipped: The South’s share was 23.8% while the Northeast’s was 22.4%.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammillsap/2023/07/06/us-economic-activity-moves-south-as-northeasts-decline-continues/?sh=3361bfcf126a
Anonymous
08/14/2023 17:18
Subject: Rich Men North of Richmond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A “hero of the far right” blames his problems on heavyset women (because of course no men are 5’ 3” in the heroic sub-Richmond) on welfare and anyone is supposed to take this seriously? Really OP?
Angry white dude is misogynist, news at 11
It's because those are mostly the women who want to go out with him.
Where did he say anything about women in his song?
How many men are 5’3”?
Enough. About 10%.
Not in America. But sure let’s say it’s 10% You think he’s writing about men?
He is writing about obese people using their food stamps to purchase junk food that makes them more obese. Do you not get that? Do you not understand that he is slamming government programs that actually encourages this by putting few restrictions on the kind of food they can purchase?
He says nothing about change to government programs. He talks about obese people on food stamps.
How many of his ardent fans absolutely hated Michelle Obama’s efforts to make school lunches healthier? Bloomberg’s suggestion to tax sodas?
not sure his “ardent fans” would have been that focused on Bloomberg’s position on soft drinks. That’d more of an inside DC obsession.
New York.
But my broader point is, when there have been efforts to make taxpayer funding focus on healthy food, conservatives mocked it, resisted it, and hated it. Trump even rolled back the draconian provision that…required children be served fruits and vegetables.
So no, I don’t buy that now he’s just so upset about taxpayer dollars buying fudge rounds when he was telling to support taxpayer dollars buying pizza rolls.
When someone comes out with a song about worker and workplace protections, genuine tax relief for families, and sure even tackling making sure the poor have adequate access to healthy food, I hope there’s a thread about it— I can get behind it!
NYC but cheered on by DC policy people. He doesn’t seem to see the world through a center-left policy prism that revolves around government. I know that’s hard to imagine … but maybe just try?
Right— he seems to be mad at government for not mandating taxpayer dollars fund fruits and vegetables. Except
his supporters were also mad about…mandating taxpayer dollars fund fruits and vegetables.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 17:00
Subject: Rich Men North of Richmond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A “hero of the far right” blames his problems on heavyset women (because of course no men are 5’ 3” in the heroic sub-Richmond) on welfare and anyone is supposed to take this seriously? Really OP?
Angry white dude is misogynist, news at 11
It's because those are mostly the women who want to go out with him.
Where did he say anything about women in his song?
How many men are 5’3”?
Enough. About 10%.
Not in America. But sure let’s say it’s 10% You think he’s writing about men?
He is writing about obese people using their food stamps to purchase junk food that makes them more obese. Do you not get that? Do you not understand that he is slamming government programs that actually encourages this by putting few restrictions on the kind of food they can purchase?
He says nothing about change to government programs. He talks about obese people on food stamps.
How many of his ardent fans absolutely hated Michelle Obama’s efforts to make school lunches healthier? Bloomberg’s suggestion to tax sodas?
not sure his “ardent fans” would have been that focused on Bloomberg’s position on soft drinks. That’d more of an inside DC obsession.
New York.
But my broader point is, when there have been efforts to make taxpayer funding focus on healthy food, conservatives mocked it, resisted it, and hated it. Trump even rolled back the draconian provision that…required children be served fruits and vegetables.
So no, I don’t buy that now he’s just so upset about taxpayer dollars buying fudge rounds when he was telling to support taxpayer dollars buying pizza rolls.
When someone comes out with a song about worker and workplace protections, genuine tax relief for families, and sure even tackling making sure the poor have adequate access to healthy food, I hope there’s a thread about it— I can get behind it!
NYC but cheered on by DC policy people. He doesn’t seem to see the world through a center-left policy prism that revolves around government. I know that’s hard to imagine … but maybe just try?
Anonymous
08/14/2023 16:50
Subject: Rich Men North of Richmond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Oh please. You people. This song SCARES you? There is no call to arms, no violence discussed, even obliquely.
Meanwhile, let's look at the #1 streamed rap song this week. And I'm a fan of rap, which is how I instantly knew to do some literary comparison.
Fukumean, by Gunna, is #1. Here's a brief excerpt, which I am forced to make redactions so that it isn't blocked immediately by the filters:
[Verse]
F-- you mean?
Young Gunna Wunna, they workin' my nerves
I'm about to pour up some syrup
F-- this b-- like a perv'
Smack from the back, grab her perm
Ice, the berg, uh, shi--' on all you lil' turds
Can't take that d!ck, wait your turn
In my own lane, we can't merge
Suck with no hands, you can learn
Let's see how much you can earn
This is the top one on SoundCloud right now. Now, imagine if a country singer were to produce something analogous.
I could easily go out and find a rap song glorifying violence or with an anti-government bent. I run listening to rap and can vouch that it's themes are not exactly a monument to progressive values.
When I hear all this anger about country music, I can't help but think that you really just dislike the audience, and the audience makes you afraid, and you need to try to justify it by pretending that song about working class woes is a coded call to arms. It's art. Relax.
They won't relax because they would rather perseverate over 2 lines in this song and attribute meaning to them that he never stated. All so they can call this man "misogynistic." Forget all the rap songs and even rock and roll that are really misogynistic.
Nah.... they don't like the man, his audience, or the message of the song. They cannot relate. Remember that you are talking about a large number of 1%ers here... they can't relate to the struggles of the working man.
Best to just discount him and his song than try to understand why his song speaks to millions.
I understand why, it’s the same reason millions of people believed in “welfare queens” in the eighties, the same reason there were Jim Crow laws— people like to blame the same groups over…and over..and over…
This is Ronald Reagan with a giant beard.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 16:32
Subject: Rich Men North of Richmond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who funds the government?
That’s right, the rich “men” up north. The doctors, lawyers, small business owners that employ the working class.
Got it.
The south now has a higher GDP than the north.
er .. what? What "news" source are you reading? CA alone is almost the same FL and TX combined, which are the only southern states that have a gdp.
Then look at per capita gdp
https://www.statista.com/statistics/248063/per-capita-us-real-gross-domestic-product-gdp-by-state/
Other than TX , the rest of the southern states per capita gdp is below the US average. The states above the US average are mostly in the west, and about five in the northeast, and the majority are blue states.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 16:26
Subject: Rich Men North of Richmond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Oh please. You people. This song SCARES you? There is no call to arms, no violence discussed, even obliquely.
Meanwhile, let's look at the #1 streamed rap song this week. And I'm a fan of rap, which is how I instantly knew to do some literary comparison.
Fukumean, by Gunna, is #1. Here's a brief excerpt, which I am forced to make redactions so that it isn't blocked immediately by the filters:
[Verse]
F-- you mean?
Young Gunna Wunna, they workin' my nerves
I'm about to pour up some syrup
F-- this b-- like a perv'
Smack from the back, grab her perm
Ice, the berg, uh, shi--' on all you lil' turds
Can't take that d!ck, wait your turn
In my own lane, we can't merge
Suck with no hands, you can learn
Let's see how much you can earn
This is the top one on SoundCloud right now. Now, imagine if a country singer were to produce something analogous.
I could easily go out and find a rap song glorifying violence or with an anti-government bent. I run listening to rap and can vouch that it's themes are not exactly a monument to progressive values.
When I hear all this anger about country music, I can't help but think that you really just dislike the audience, and the audience makes you afraid, and you need to try to justify it by pretending that song about working class woes is a coded call to arms. It's art. Relax.
They won't relax because they would rather perseverate over 2 lines in this song and attribute meaning to them that he never stated. All so they can call this man "misogynistic." Forget all the rap songs and even rock and roll that are really misogynistic.
Nah.... they don't like the man, his audience, or the message of the song. They cannot relate. Remember that you are talking about a large number of 1%ers here... they can't relate to the struggles of the working man.
Best to just discount him and his song than try to understand why his song speaks to millions.
Oh do enlighten us, Mike Rowe wannabe
Anonymous
08/14/2023 16:24
Subject: Rich Men North of Richmond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A “hero of the far right” blames his problems on heavyset women (because of course no men are 5’ 3” in the heroic sub-Richmond) on welfare and anyone is supposed to take this seriously? Really OP?
Angry white dude is misogynist, news at 11
Wait. Are you talking about this songwriter? Oliver Anthony?
Where in his song did he say anything about heavyset women?
Apparently women on welfare are the real villains to him, because again, most men are not 5’3”
If he wasn’t just another blathering misogynist I’d say maybe he’s onto something but he’s seriously complaining about the food insecure in 2023 and that’s about as “punching down” as I can imagine. The people who are getting food stamps aren’t rich. They also use the drugs he’s worried about at lower rates than the rest of the American public. Hating the poor to feel better about yourself isn’t interesting to me.
He said nothing about women. That is YOUR stereotyping.
And, he is not complaining about the poor. He is complaining about the ridiculous government programs that perpetuate obesity and poor health by providing funding that allows these people to purchase junk - yes JUNK food with taxpayer funding.
I am getting the distinct feeling that you are more upset about the people who can relate to this song than the songwriter himself.
I don’t actually care about the guy or the lyrics, I’m just amazed people are pretending he’s not targeting the absolute usual suspects— women and the poor.
He doesn’t say “we should change our food stamps policy to encourage healthier food the way we do with WIC”
He says if you’re obese and a size that mostly refers to women— taxpayers shouldn’t pay. If you’re skinny and male fudge rounds for everyone right?
Those would make great lyrics to a country song. You ought to write one..... /s
Heehee PP doesn’t realize that people are too dumb to appreciate a song with policy nuance. They would much rather listen to a crybaby singing about fat lazy chicks on the government dole and how the government wrongs hard working white guys. Next time he should wear a “no fat chicks” tshirt to be fully transparent.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 16:21
Subject: Rich Men North of Richmond
Anonymous wrote:Oh please. You people. This song SCARES you? There is no call to arms, no violence discussed, even obliquely.
Meanwhile, let's look at the #1 streamed rap song this week. And I'm a fan of rap, which is how I instantly knew to do some literary comparison.
Fukumean, by Gunna, is #1. Here's a brief excerpt, which I am forced to make redactions so that it isn't blocked immediately by the filters:
[Verse]
F-- you mean?
Young Gunna Wunna, they workin' my nerves
I'm about to pour up some syrup
F-- this b-- like a perv'
Smack from the back, grab her perm
Ice, the berg, uh, shi--' on all you lil' turds
Can't take that d!ck, wait your turn
In my own lane, we can't merge
Suck with no hands, you can learn
Let's see how much you can earn
This is the top one on SoundCloud right now. Now, imagine if a country singer were to produce something analogous.
I could easily go out and find a rap song glorifying violence or with an anti-government bent. I run listening to rap and can vouch that it's themes are not exactly a monument to progressive values.
When I hear all this anger about country music, I can't help but think that you really just dislike the audience, and the audience makes you afraid, and you need to try to justify it by pretending that song about working class woes is a coded call to arms. It's art. Relax.
They won't relax because they would rather perseverate over 2 lines in this song and attribute meaning to them that he never stated. All so they can call this man "misogynistic." Forget all the rap songs and even rock and roll that are really misogynistic.
Nah.... they don't like the man, his audience, or the message of the song. They cannot relate. Remember that you are talking about a large number of 1%ers here... they can't relate to the struggles of the working man.
Best to just discount him and his song than try to understand why his song speaks to millions.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 16:15
Subject: Rich Men North of Richmond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A “hero of the far right” blames his problems on heavyset women (because of course no men are 5’ 3” in the heroic sub-Richmond) on welfare and anyone is supposed to take this seriously? Really OP?
Angry white dude is misogynist, news at 11
Wait. Are you talking about this songwriter? Oliver Anthony?
Where in his song did he say anything about heavyset women?
Apparently women on welfare are the real villains to him, because again, most men are not 5’3”
If he wasn’t just another blathering misogynist I’d say maybe he’s onto something but he’s seriously complaining about the food insecure in 2023 and that’s about as “punching down” as I can imagine. The people who are getting food stamps aren’t rich. They also use the drugs he’s worried about at lower rates than the rest of the American public. Hating the poor to feel better about yourself isn’t interesting to me.
He said nothing about women. That is YOUR stereotyping.
And, he is not complaining about the poor. He is complaining about the ridiculous government programs that perpetuate obesity and poor health by providing funding that allows these people to purchase junk - yes JUNK food with taxpayer funding.
I am getting the distinct feeling that you are more upset about the people who can relate to this song than the songwriter himself.
I don’t actually care about the guy or the lyrics, I’m just amazed people are pretending he’s not targeting the absolute usual suspects— women and the poor.
He doesn’t say “we should change our food stamps policy to encourage healthier food the way we do with WIC”
He says if you’re obese and a size that mostly refers to women— taxpayers shouldn’t pay. If you’re skinny and male fudge rounds for everyone right?
Those would make great lyrics to a country song. You ought to write one..... /s
Anonymous
08/14/2023 16:09
Subject: Rich Men North of Richmond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A “hero of the far right” blames his problems on heavyset women (because of course no men are 5’ 3” in the heroic sub-Richmond) on welfare and anyone is supposed to take this seriously? Really OP?
Angry white dude is misogynist, news at 11
Wait. Are you talking about this songwriter? Oliver Anthony?
Where in his song did he say anything about heavyset women?
Apparently women on welfare are the real villains to him, because again, most men are not 5’3”
If he wasn’t just another blathering misogynist I’d say maybe he’s onto something but he’s seriously complaining about the food insecure in 2023 and that’s about as “punching down” as I can imagine. The people who are getting food stamps aren’t rich. They also use the drugs he’s worried about at lower rates than the rest of the American public. Hating the poor to feel better about yourself isn’t interesting to me.
He said nothing about women. That is YOUR stereotyping.
And, he is not complaining about the poor. He is complaining about the ridiculous government programs that perpetuate obesity and poor health by providing funding that allows these people to purchase junk - yes JUNK food with taxpayer funding.
I am getting the distinct feeling that you are more upset about the people who can relate to this song than the songwriter himself.
I don’t actually care about the guy or the lyrics, I’m just amazed people are pretending he’s not targeting the absolute usual suspects— women and the poor.
He doesn’t say “we should change our food stamps policy to encourage healthier food the way we do with WIC”
He says if you’re obese and a size that mostly refers to women— taxpayers shouldn’t pay. If you’re skinny and male fudge rounds for everyone right?
Your response is a perfect example of how the left is unable to relate to the working class. People don't trust government programs "meant to help" specifically because that help often comes with side effects that keep people sick, poor, and mentally unwell. This isn't an R vs D issue, this is a class issue. Look, for example, at covid vaccine rates among black people and how long it took to get traction in that demographic. Why? Because they don't trust the medical community or the government. And they have good reason, if you look at history.
So when this singer points out the high obesity rates among the poor, he is speaking specifically to that distrust. And he's not wrong. Look at graphs of when weight issues started to appear in America and then juxtapose it with a graph on farm subsidies. Farm subsidies incentivized corn production in particular, which became corn syrup, dumped into a ton of food products. Corn filler, corn syrup, etc added calories where there were previously fewer calories. The government did this because they wanted to do the right thing. They wanted to end hunger in America. The goals were noble. But good intentions can lead to bad consequences and a little humility about that could do the political class a world of good.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 15:54
Subject: Rich Men North of Richmond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A “hero of the far right” blames his problems on heavyset women (because of course no men are 5’ 3” in the heroic sub-Richmond) on welfare and anyone is supposed to take this seriously? Really OP?
Angry white dude is misogynist, news at 11
It's because those are mostly the women who want to go out with him.
Where did he say anything about women in his song?
How many men are 5’3”?
Enough. About 10%.
Not in America. But sure let’s say it’s 10% You think he’s writing about men?
He is writing about obese people using their food stamps to purchase junk food that makes them more obese. Do you not get that? Do you not understand that he is slamming government programs that actually encourages this by putting few restrictions on the kind of food they can purchase?
Do you know why it’s that way? Because food stamps/SNAP is a USDA program under the jurisdiction of the House and Senate Agriculture committees, which have zero woke members. To the Ag committees, SNAP is a program for farmers, dairies, meat packers, packaged food corporations, and supermarket chains to be paid retail prices with no nutritional restrictions. It would be cheaper for the government to buy nutritious food in bulk from low bidders and distribute it, but then the dairies, farmers, meat producers, and other food corporations, and the WalMarts, Winn Dixies, Piggly Wigglys, and other supermarkets would not make the maximum possible profits off the program.
If you follow the money, all low & moderate income programs subsidize some powerful corporate or institutional lobbying sector (pharma, insurers, nursing home owners & investors, housing builders & developers, bankers, employers, etc.) as the profit-making provider or seller of the benefits. It’s the only way to get programs for poor people through the House and Senate and keep them from being repealed. The money goes to the donors.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 15:49
Subject: Rich Men North of Richmond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A “hero of the far right” blames his problems on heavyset women (because of course no men are 5’ 3” in the heroic sub-Richmond) on welfare and anyone is supposed to take this seriously? Really OP?
Angry white dude is misogynist, news at 11
It's because those are mostly the women who want to go out with him.
Where did he say anything about women in his song?
How many men are 5’3”?
Enough. About 10%.
Not in America. But sure let’s say it’s 10% You think he’s writing about men?
He is writing about obese people using their food stamps to purchase junk food that makes them more obese. Do you not get that? Do you not understand that he is slamming government programs that actually encourages this by putting few restrictions on the kind of food they can purchase?
He says nothing about change to government programs. He talks about obese people on food stamps.
How many of his ardent fans absolutely hated Michelle Obama’s efforts to make school lunches healthier? Bloomberg’s suggestion to tax sodas?
not sure his “ardent fans” would have been that focused on Bloomberg’s position on soft drinks. That’d more of an inside DC obsession.
New York.
But my broader point is, when there have been efforts to make taxpayer funding focus on healthy food, conservatives mocked it, resisted it, and hated it. Trump even rolled back the draconian provision that…required children be served fruits and vegetables.
So no, I don’t buy that now he’s just so upset about taxpayer dollars buying fudge rounds when he was telling to support taxpayer dollars buying pizza rolls.
When someone comes out with a song about worker and workplace protections, genuine tax relief for families, and sure even tackling making sure the poor have adequate access to healthy food, I hope there’s a thread about it— I can get behind it!
Anonymous
08/14/2023 15:41
Subject: Rich Men North of Richmond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A “hero of the far right” blames his problems on heavyset women (because of course no men are 5’ 3” in the heroic sub-Richmond) on welfare and anyone is supposed to take this seriously? Really OP?
Angry white dude is misogynist, news at 11
It's because those are mostly the women who want to go out with him.
Where did he say anything about women in his song?
How many men are 5’3”?
Enough. About 10%.
Not in America. But sure let’s say it’s 10% You think he’s writing about men?
He is writing about obese people using their food stamps to purchase junk food that makes them more obese. Do you not get that? Do you not understand that he is slamming government programs that actually encourages this by putting few restrictions on the kind of food they can purchase?
He says nothing about change to government programs. He talks about obese people on food stamps.
How many of his ardent fans absolutely hated Michelle Obama’s efforts to make school lunches healthier? Bloomberg’s suggestion to tax sodas?
not sure his “ardent fans” would have been that focused on Bloomberg’s position on soft drinks. That’d more of an inside DC obsession.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 15:29
Subject: Rich Men North of Richmond
Should be 300 pounds.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 15:29
Subject: Re:Rich Men North of Richmond
Anonymous wrote:I am getting the distinct feeling that you are more upset about the people who can relate to this song than the songwriter himself.
+1000.
Upset? No. Bored? Sure. They have just been hating poor women since the 80s, they still can’t find someone new to blame for their problems?