I thought I was married to one of the few upstanding, loyal men who wouldn't cheat. Also, on a practical level, he was too lazy to plan a date for me, much less woo a second woman.

Turns out he was having anonymous hookups with men.

So, yeah, that pretty much ruined my faith in men (who are good looking enough to have opportunities).

Most do, yes.

Not wading through 12 pages but no, we don't all cheat.

I have been in long-term relationships with 5 men, including DH, and I believe that all of them are capable of cheating. I believe that I am capable of it too.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a majority would given the opportunity. I work with mostly men and travel for work and the ones that get the opportunity easily presented to them while on business usually take it.

I know I could cheat with several of my coworkers if I wanted and I am sure their wives would not be happy with how close some of them are to me.

Here's the key thing, which this thread has largely ignored: what exactly is meant by a married man being "given an opportunity" to cheat. So let us clarify: a married man is given an opportunity to cheat when a woman actively and un-ambiguously comes on to him for sex. As PP (a female) observed, several of her her male co-workers have (in various ways) actively "come on to her" for sex, such that she is certain that all she needs to do is say Yes. THAT my friends is opportunity! And most women are literally swimming in this kind of opportunity on a daily basis and have absolutely NO IDEA how rare this kind of opportunity is for a man. Let's be honest... what percentage of married men ever (and I literally mean EVER) have a woman actively come on to him for sex without HIM actively pursuing her first? Single digits.

Do we really need a thread discussing a single digit percentage of married men?

Being away on travel at a conference with booze and a flirty environment is enough. The women doesn't necessarily need to make the move.

Is it news to you that men are more forward and men and women signal interest in different ways, with women typically being far more subtle?

So if a man is away at a conference, he goes out drinking, flirts around, HE makes the first move .... now SHE responds (favorably) ... you consider that "him being given an opportunity"?!? I would call that him going out LOOKING TO CREATE an opportunity.

Opportunity, in such a man's mind, might simply be the prospect of doing it and getting away with it without much scrutiny or chance of it getting back and ruining your life. You can't behave like that if you're constantly around your wife. If your job or lifestyle is such that you can more openly engage in such pursuits, then yes, men will capitalize on such opportunities.

"Given the opportunity" doesn't mean a woman is throwing herself at you. Just means you are in situations that are more conducive to cheating. Some men are more proactive in creating those situations, but others could fall into cheating if they happen to find themselves in such a situation.

Another type of "opportunity" might be having an attractive live-in nanny while your wife is away on work travel. Higher likelihood of cheating in this situation, than the dude without the hot nanny.

Again we must be clear that the phrase opportunity to cheat has an ENTIRELY different meaning for a man vs a woman. For a woman, if she is breathing and within driving distance of any man, she has an opportunity to cheat. For a man, if he is actively flirting in the right way in the right environment OFTEN ENOUGH to elicit a favorable response from a woman, he has an opportunity to cheat. If you are going to remove the requirement for a man to be PROACTIVE where HE CREATES the opportunity ... again I saw we are back to a single digit percentage of men. Based now on our mutual understanding of terms, the original post SHOULD be phrased like so:

Do all men who, after several months of proactively flirting and coming on to 30 women who said No, cheat with the 31st woman who finally says Yes?

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Anonymous wrote:Do all men cheat given an opportunity? If not how do you find one that won’t and be sure that you have found one that won’t?

Yes OP all men cheat given an opportunity. What an absurd question. Don't even know why I am responding. DCUM is just so obnoxious these days. "How to find a rich man?" "How to be a higher value women when married." "Do all men cheat?" It just can't given even more ridiculous and this is supposed to be a forum for the Elite??

My grandfather had a gorgeous secretary. She once told my grandmother "you can trust your husband". She became a family friend and I met her later in life and she was indeed very attractive. By my grandparents account she was a flirt and she did try to put the moves on my grandfather.
They also had a nanny that they kept in touch with long after her employment (I've also met her). According to a story she told my grandmother, one day my grandfather was home during lunch. He invited her to eat with him at the table and she was very nervous because she thought he had alterior motives. But it turned out he being polite and just wanted to have a meal together.
Anyway, my grandfather was the most outstanding and honorable man I've ever known. I don't think he ever cheated on my grandmother even when given the opportunity. Can't say the same about the other men in my family.

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Anonymous wrote:Do all men cheat given an opportunity? If not how do you find one that won’t and be sure that you have found one that won’t?

Yes OP all men cheat given an opportunity. What an absurd question. Don't even know why I am responding. DCUM is just so obnoxious these days. "How to find a rich man?" "How to be a higher value women when married." "Do all men cheat?" It just can't given even more ridiculous and this is supposed to be a forum for the Elite??

You seem like a pretty big idiot. You should work on that

The opportunity to cheat are the conditions. Like business travel, away from spouse, company paying for hotel, dinner, drinks etc. meeting women not local to your area so no chance you will run into someone you know.

It’s the perfect opportunity to not get caught.

Anonymous wrote:Do all men cheat given an opportunity? If not how do you find one that won’t and be sure that you have found one that won’t?

Yes OP all men cheat given an opportunity. What an absurd question. Don't even know why I am responding. DCUM is just so obnoxious these days. "How to find a rich man?" "How to be a higher value women when married." "Do all men cheat?" It just can't given even more ridiculous and this is supposed to be a forum for the Elite??

Anonymous wrote:I think a majority would given the opportunity. I work with mostly men and travel for work and the ones that get the opportunity easily presented to them while on business usually take it.

I know I could cheat with several of my coworkers if I wanted and I am sure their wives would not be happy with how close some of them are to me.

How old are you and how attractive are you that all these women want to cheat with you?

Man here. I have never cheated, but I have had a woman in a committed relationship cheat on me. It was the main reason I would never marry her.
And she called me to try to start up an affair after she was married. Nope.Her poor husband.
I will never cheat on my wife no matter how angry I am with her or temporarily bored I am with her. You don't do that to those you profess to love.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a majority would given the opportunity. I work with mostly men and travel for work and the ones that get the opportunity easily presented to them while on business usually take it.

I know I could cheat with several of my coworkers if I wanted and I am sure their wives would not be happy with how close some of them are to me.

Here's the key thing, which this thread has largely ignored: what exactly is meant by a married man being "given an opportunity" to cheat. So let us clarify: a married man is given an opportunity to cheat when a woman actively and un-ambiguously comes on to him for sex. As PP (a female) observed, several of her her male co-workers have (in various ways) actively "come on to her" for sex, such that she is certain that all she needs to do is say Yes. THAT my friends is opportunity! And most women are literally swimming in this kind of opportunity on a daily basis and have absolutely NO IDEA how rare this kind of opportunity is for a man. Let's be honest... what percentage of married men ever (and I literally mean EVER) have a woman actively come on to him for sex without HIM actively pursuing her first? Single digits.

Do we really need a thread discussing a single digit percentage of married men?

Being away on travel at a conference with booze and a flirty environment is enough. The women doesn't necessarily need to make the move.

Is it news to you that men are more forward and men and women signal interest in different ways, with women typically being far more subtle?

So if a man is away at a conference, he goes out drinking, flirts around, HE makes the first move .... now SHE responds (favorably) ... you consider that "him being given an opportunity"?!? I would call that him going out LOOKING TO CREATE an opportunity.

Opportunity, in such a man's mind, might simply be the prospect of doing it and getting away with it without much scrutiny or chance of it getting back and ruining your life. You can't behave like that if you're constantly around your wife. If your job or lifestyle is such that you can more openly engage in such pursuits, then yes, men will capitalize on such opportunities.

"Given the opportunity" doesn't mean a woman is throwing herself at you. Just means you are in situations that are more conducive to cheating. Some men are more proactive in creating those situations, but others could fall into cheating if they happen to find themselves in such a situation.

Another type of "opportunity" might be having an attractive live-in nanny while your wife is away on work travel. Higher likelihood of cheating in this situation, than the dude without the hot nanny.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a majority would given the opportunity. I work with mostly men and travel for work and the ones that get the opportunity easily presented to them while on business usually take it.

I know I could cheat with several of my coworkers if I wanted and I am sure their wives would not be happy with how close some of them are to me.

Here's the key thing, which this thread has largely ignored: what exactly is meant by a married man being "given an opportunity" to cheat. So let us clarify: a married man is given an opportunity to cheat when a woman actively and un-ambiguously comes on to him for sex. As PP (a female) observed, several of her her male co-workers have (in various ways) actively "come on to her" for sex, such that she is certain that all she needs to do is say Yes. THAT my friends is opportunity! And most women are literally swimming in this kind of opportunity on a daily basis and have absolutely NO IDEA how rare this kind of opportunity is for a man. Let's be honest... what percentage of married men ever (and I literally mean EVER) have a woman actively come on to him for sex without HIM actively pursuing her first? Single digits.

Do we really need a thread discussing a single digit percentage of married men?

Being away on travel at a conference with booze and a flirty environment is enough. The women doesn't necessarily need to make the move.

Is it news to you that men are more forward and men and women signal interest in different ways, with women typically being far more subtle?

So if a man is away at a conference, he goes out drinking, flirts around, HE makes the first move .... now SHE responds (favorably) ... you consider that "him being given an opportunity"?!? I would call that him going out LOOKING TO CREATE an opportunity.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a majority would given the opportunity. I work with mostly men and travel for work and the ones that get the opportunity easily presented to them while on business usually take it.

I know I could cheat with several of my coworkers if I wanted and I am sure their wives would not be happy with how close some of them are to me.

Here's the key thing, which this thread has largely ignored: what exactly is meant by a married man being "given an opportunity" to cheat. So let us clarify: a married man is given an opportunity to cheat when a woman actively and un-ambiguously comes on to him for sex. As PP (a female) observed, several of her her male co-workers have (in various ways) actively "come on to her" for sex, such that she is certain that all she needs to do is say Yes. THAT my friends is opportunity! And most women are literally swimming in this kind of opportunity on a daily basis and have absolutely NO IDEA how rare this kind of opportunity is for a man. Let's be honest... what percentage of married men ever (and I literally mean EVER) have a woman actively come on to him for sex without HIM actively pursuing her first? Single digits.

Do we really need a thread discussing a single digit percentage of married men?

I disagree with this assertion.

I’ve known women who were cheaters and specifically drawn to married men. Plenty of women are the type who actively flirt and invite attention. No way is it only single digits of married men who get come on to. There are also sadly plenty of single women who are specifically drawn to married men and I consider them cheaters too. I have never held with the idea that only the married person has an obligation to fidelity, because marriage is a social institution and should be respected by everyone in the community so single men and single women should stick to each other and stay away from married people, in a perfect world.

But the women who come on to married men are all only going after a small percentage of the same married men for the most part so the pp’s assertion about few men truly having these opportunities still is true.

I think a majority would given the opportunity. I work with mostly men and travel for work and the ones that get the opportunity easily presented to them while on business usually take it.

I know I could cheat with several of my coworkers if I wanted and I am sure their wives would not be happy with how close some of them are to me.